Re: filmscanners: Photoshop Curves vs Levels

2001-02-12 Thread Tony Sleep

On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:41:19 -0800  Alan Womack ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

> Is there a fundamental difference between using levels to stretch the 
histogram versus using 
> curves to stretch the same with a very steep line?

Not necessarily :)

Levels changes the gamma pure and simple. Curves do the same if you drag the 
exact midpoint of the curve in either direction perpendicular to the curve. But 
if you drag one or more other points or in different directions you will get a 
more complex mapping.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner info & 
comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Photoshop Curves vs Levels

2001-02-11 Thread Robert E. Wright

If the curve(s) are straight lines, linear, then I guess you should be able
to do the same adjustment in Levels.

This image appears to cry for non-linear adjustment in separate channels. I
don't think the real highlights are in skin tones.

Bob Wright

- Original Message -
From: Alan Womack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Majordomo leben.com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:41 AM
Subject: filmscanners: Photoshop Curves vs Levels


> Last couple of days I was working on a scan from my ScanWit from Fuji
Super G 400 of my 2 year old son playing with his trucks.  I had used a
couple of flash units and screwed up the light level a bit and certainly the
background shadows.
>
> The local minilab printed crap, but the expression was cute..  So into
VueScan I went, aweful.  Color balance wouldn't come close, way too blue.
Also there was bad posterization in highlights from his face.  I went to
MiraPhoto and found I couldn't control where it placed the actual highlights
what so ever, it was mapping the brightest part (those skin reflections) up
to 255.  Obviously this wouldn't work.
>
> I took a look at a RAW scan from VueScan in PS and found there was a
difference in skin values or maybe 3 RGB and way too much blue.  7-10 points
more blue than red, which is typically in my children 30-40 below red when
skin tones are in the low 200 range.  (the Raw scan was in the 37 to 41
range)
>
> I then took up a curve that was nearly straight up to move my highlights
in tke skin into the  200 neighborhood and spent another couple hours fixing
the skin tones.
>
> So my question is:
>
> Is there a fundamental difference between using levels to stretch the
histogram versus using curves to stretch the same with a very steep line?
>
> alan
>




filmscanners: Photoshop Curves vs Levels

2001-02-11 Thread Alan Womack

Last couple of days I was working on a scan from my ScanWit from Fuji Super G 400 of 
my 2 year old son playing with his trucks.  I had used a couple of flash units and 
screwed up the light level a bit and certainly the background shadows.

The local minilab printed crap, but the expression was cute..  So into VueScan I went, 
aweful.  Color balance wouldn't come close, way too blue.  Also there was bad 
posterization in highlights from his face.  I went to MiraPhoto and found I couldn't 
control where it placed the actual highlights what so ever, it was mapping the 
brightest part (those skin reflections) up to 255.  Obviously this wouldn't work.

I took a look at a RAW scan from VueScan in PS and found there was a difference in 
skin values or maybe 3 RGB and way too much blue.  7-10 points more blue than red, 
which is typically in my children 30-40 below red when skin tones are in the low 200 
range.  (the Raw scan was in the 37 to 41 range)

I then took up a curve that was nearly straight up to move my highlights in tke skin 
into the  200 neighborhood and spent another couple hours fixing the skin tones.

So my question is:

Is there a fundamental difference between using levels to stretch the histogram versus 
using curves to stretch the same with a very steep line?

alan