filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: New auto adjust software on it's way

2001-08-30 Thread Rob Geraghty

Preston wrote:
(I remember an article in Scientific American 15 to 20 years ago about
the
improvement of photographic images (I think they were alluding to spy
satellite images) to eliminate/reduce blur due to camera motion and lens
focus (or lack thereof).

That article may have been concerned with something I learned about at university
- inverse fourier transforms.  If you can map the aberrations in a satellite
lens system while it is still on earth and make a transform from it, you
can actually use an inverse transform to remove the aberrations.  The result
is a sharper image than the camera actually saw.  I know this technology
has been used with military spy satellite images, but I don't know where
else it may have been used.  It would be difficult to use on a commercial
basis due to the need to map the aberrations of the lens system.  It would
be wonderful if it could be used in a scanner, because theoretically it
ought to be possible to remove aliasing and lens aberrations from the scanner
optics.

(but I've discussed it before and I won't bore everyone with it again! :)

Rob


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Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: New auto adjust software on it's way

2001-08-30 Thread Anthony Atkielski

Rob writes:

 If you can map the aberrations in a satellite
 lens system while it is still on earth and make
 a transform from it, you can actually use an
 inverse transform to remove the aberrations.
 The result is a sharper image than the camera
 actually saw.

No, it is just a _different_ image.  You cannot create information that was not
captured by the camera in the first place, but you can rearrange it so that it
looks more useful to a human being.  If you know the exact way in which light
rays will be misdirected in a lens, you can redirect them through computer
processing to arrive at an image that shows approximately what a perfect lens
would have produced.  However, if any aberrations or other defects caused a loss
of information in the captured image, there is nothing you can do to restore
that information.  An area that is simply outside the plane of focus, for
example, cannot be put into sharp focus by post processing.

 It would be difficult to use on a commercial
 basis due to the need to map the aberrations
 of the lens system.

It would be cheaper just to design and build a better lens.  The military uses
this method because they are already using the best lenses that can be made, and
so the only way to do better is with a technique that is even more expensive
than designing good lenses.  But for ordinary photographic lenses, which
generally do not push the limits of what is possible, it would be cheaper to
just make the lens better than to spend money on extremely costly analysis and
post-processing.






Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: New auto adjust software on it's way

2001-08-30 Thread John Matturri

 That article may have been concerned with something I learned about at university
 - inverse fourier transforms.


Right. It did involve fourier transforms of some sort (I
used to have some idea of what that means) but applied to
the image not the lens, if I am remembering right.

John M.





Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: New auto adjust software on it's way

2001-08-30 Thread Herm

There are a few software packages designed to do just this for astronomical
images.. Lucy-Richardson Deconvolution, Maximum Entropy plus a couple more
algorithms.. very cpu intensive (forget about using a Pentium 200). I have not
been impressed by the results, too much work for an incremental improvement in
image quality.. at the end I just think that its better to use a good lens,
properly focused, in the first place.. it does have a place in removing
environmental blurring effects. These algorithms were designed to improve the
images coming from the Hubble Space Telescope, before the optics were repaired
in orbit.

Here is a page with before and after results:
http://www.image-scientist.com/deconvolve.htm

Perhaps I can see something like this added to scanning software.. but note that
the algorithm has to be finely tuned to the hardware.
 

Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:

That article may have been concerned with something I learned about at university
- inverse fourier transforms.  If you can map the aberrations in a satellite
lens system while it is still on earth and make a transform from it, you
can actually use an inverse transform to remove the aberrations.  The result
is a sharper image than the camera actually saw.  I know this technology
has been used with military spy satellite images, but I don't know where
else it may have been used.  It would be difficult to use on a commercial
basis due to the need to map the aberrations of the lens system.  It would
be wonderful if it could be used in a scanner, because theoretically it
ought to be possible to remove aliasing and lens aberrations from the scanner
optics.

(but I've discussed it before and I won't bore everyone with it again! :)

Rob

Herm
Astropics http://home.att.net/~hermperez