Re: filmscanners: Scanning 101...A basic question...

2001-06-12 Thread Robert E. Wright


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Subject: Re: filmscanners: Scanning 101...A basic question...




 Marvin Demuth wrote:

  I have read the recent debates over working with raw files and those
  produced via profiles and I am confused.
 
  In working with scanning color negatives, if you choose to work with the
  raw file that is supposed to have all the information in pure form, what
  is your starting point for getting an acceptable image on your monitor
  as your starting point for your adjustments?  Obviously, some software
  has to used.
 
  I am trying to relate this to printing color negatives, which is within
  my experience.  With this process, for any degree of efficiency, you
  have to start with color filtration commensurate with the film you are
  using.
 
  Marvin Demuth

 I think Marvin makes an obvious but very significant point here.

 A raw scan of a negative, should be negative, not positive.  Any manner
 of converting it into a positive means some type of profile has been
 actuated on it.

 Art

In performing the scan, of negatives, to produce the raw scan aren't
scanners/software varying the color channel exposure to remove the negative
mask? Even if this exposure variation is based on some sort of measurement
of the film done by the scanner, it represents profiling in the general
sense.

Bob




RE: filmscanners: Scanning 101...A basic question...

2001-06-12 Thread shAf

Robert writes ...

 In performing the scan, of negatives, to produce the
 raw scan aren't scanners/software varying the
 color channel exposure to remove the negative mask?
 Even if this exposure variation is based on some
 sort of measurement of the film done by the scanner,
 it represents profiling in the general sense.

The general sense of the profile is gamma, whitepoint, and
gamut.  What do these characteristics have to do with measuring and
subtracting the specific shade of the mask?  Not that I know
specifically how its done, but professionals have been doing it for a
lot longer than there have been profiles.

shAf  :o)




filmscanners: Scanning 101...A basic question...

2001-06-11 Thread Marvin Demuth

I have read the recent debates over working with raw files and those 
produced via profiles and I am confused.

In working with scanning color negatives, if you choose to work with the 
raw file that is supposed to have all the information in pure form, what is 
your starting point for getting an acceptable image on your monitor as your 
starting point for your adjustments?  Obviously, some software has to used.

I am trying to relate this to printing color negatives, which is within my 
experience.  With this process, for any degree of efficiency, you have to 
start with color filtration commensurate with the film you are using.

Marvin Demuth




RE: filmscanners: Scanning 101...A basic question...

2001-06-11 Thread Austin Franklin

 In working with scanning color negatives, if you choose to work with the
 raw file that is supposed to have all the information in pure
 form, what is
 your starting point for getting an acceptable image on your
 monitor as your
 starting point for your adjustments?

First, I set the setpoints (darkest black and whitest white), then I invert
the image (you can do the inversion first if you want).  Then I adjust the
tonal curves.  That's it.

I really can't relate it to darkroom work, sorry...perhaps someone else can?




Re: filmscanners: Scanning 101...A basic question...

2001-06-11 Thread Arthur Entlich



Marvin Demuth wrote:

 I have read the recent debates over working with raw files and those 
 produced via profiles and I am confused.
 
 In working with scanning color negatives, if you choose to work with the 
 raw file that is supposed to have all the information in pure form, what 
 is your starting point for getting an acceptable image on your monitor 
 as your starting point for your adjustments?  Obviously, some software 
 has to used.
 
 I am trying to relate this to printing color negatives, which is within 
 my experience.  With this process, for any degree of efficiency, you 
 have to start with color filtration commensurate with the film you are 
 using.
 
 Marvin Demuth

I think Marvin makes an obvious but very significant point here.

A raw scan of a negative, should be negative, not positive.  Any manner 
of converting it into a positive means some type of profile has been 
actuated on it.

Art