Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-27 Thread Rob Geraghty

Ken Durling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Your suggestions are helping.  Generic and Neutral color balance
 are getting me closer to at least the right hues, although the
 saturation is still way off.

Saturation is always low with Vuescan in my experience, but it's easily
fixed in an editor.  Glad you could get a bit closer!

Rob





Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Op's



Ken Durling wrote:

 Hi folks -

 I have two questions.  One is I'm having a very hard time scanning
 Superia 400, and there's no setting for it in Vuescan. Colors are
 coming out all wrong even on the scan, and it's very hard to even know
 where to start fixing. What Vuescan settings can I tweak?

There are two types listed for Fuji which are 400 asa  NHG  and SHR. Have
you tried either of these?

rob





Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

Read the Advanced Workflow Suggestions section of the help file and lock in a test 
exposure.  It worked for me on Superia 800..

Working in sRGB is fine, but you might look into profiling your monitor with 
Colorvision's Spyder with Photocal, and into printer profiles using either software 
such as Colorvision's ProfilerPRO, Monaco's EZ-Color, or WiziWYG.

For the basics of Color Management, try these out: 
http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/13605.html 
http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/13036.html 
http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/2440.html 
http://www.computer-darkroom.co.uk/ 
(see especially the Essay Configuring Photoshop 6  Colour Management) 
http://www.digitaldog.net/ 
http://www.colorremedies.com/ 
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~binaryfx/PSTV_links.html
Hope this helps
 
Maris Lidaka
Maris

- Original Message - 
From: Ken Durling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:12 AM
Subject: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al


| Hi folks - 
| 
| I have two questions.  One is I'm having a very hard time scanning
| Superia 400, and there's no setting for it in Vuescan. Colors are
| coming out all wrong even on the scan, and it's very hard to even know
| where to start fixing. What Vuescan settings can I tweak? 
| 
| in some cases I've done quite a lot of work in PSP7 or PElements and
| gotten things pretty good looking, and then when I print it  . . . oy
| vey.   I have one of these new Epson 820s - is anything established
| yet about how good they are at color reproduction?  
| 
| Which leads me to my next question - what is the next step in getting
| into CM?  I understand there are some programs for it?  So far all
| I've done is the gamma calibration offered by Photoshop Elements, but
| I think this is pretty rudimentary.  I realize I probably need to
| learn a lot more about colorspaces that I'm working in, but for now
| I'm trying to do everything in sRGB.  
| 
| What are my next steps towards getting really good control over my
| camera to print workflow?
| 
| 
| 
| Ken Durling
| 
| 
| 
| Photo.net portfolio: 
| 
| http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=402251
| 




Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 23:59:45 +1100, you wrote:



Ken Durling wrote:

 Hi folks -

 I have two questions.  One is I'm having a very hard time scanning
 Superia 400, and there's no setting for it in Vuescan. Colors are
 coming out all wrong even on the scan, and it's very hard to even know
 where to start fixing. What Vuescan settings can I tweak?

There are two types listed for Fuji which are 400 asa  NHG  and SHR. Have
you tried either of these?

rob



Tried NHG, and it was way off.  Haven't tried SHG, and I don't know
why not!  Will do and report.


Ken



Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 08:38:56 +1300, you wrote:

Ken Durling wrote: 
I have two questions.  One is I'm having a very hard time scanning
Superia 400, and there's no setting for it in Vuescan.

General consensus is to use Reala 100 (Japan), I believe. That choice gives me the 
most accurate colour with Superia.


Which leads me to my next question - what is the next step in getting
into CM?  

I  would forget about CM until you have achieved a satisfactory workflow through to 
your printed output, with colour that you think is pretty good. Then maybe CM can 
gild the lily?




Colin - 

Well, with the exception of a few films, I think I *am* fairly
satisfied with my workflow, which is why I think I'm ready to get a
little more precise.   I'm just getting small variations between my
monitor and printer - small but significant, like in skintones.  I
realize I'm probably opening a can of worms, though, and we all know
that the only way to get them back in the can is to use a bigger can!


Ken Durling



Photo.net portfolio: 

http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=402251



filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Rob Geraghty

Ken Durling wrote:
Tried NHG, and it was way off.  Haven't tried SHG, and I don't know
why not!  Will do and report.

I don't know if you've tried this, but have a go at Generic Colour Negative
and Neutral instead of White Balance.

Rob


Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://wordweb.com






Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling

On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 10:35:41 +1000, you wrote:

Ken Durling wrote:
Tried NHG, and it was way off.  Haven't tried SHG, and I don't know
why not!  Will do and report.

I don't know if you've tried this, but have a go at Generic Colour Negative
and Neutral instead of White Balance.

Rob


Thanks Rob - trying that now.


Ken



Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-26 Thread Ken Durling



Folks - 

Your suggestions are helping.  Generic and Neutral color balance
are getting me closer to at least the right hues, although the
saturation is still way off.  Tweaking the brightness levels of the
reds and blues in the scan are helping too.   I think it's to the
point where I can probably photoshop it, although I've never had
anything be this far off since I got the scanner!  Wow.  

So thanks.


Ken



filmscanners: Superia, CM et al

2001-11-25 Thread Ken Durling

Hi folks - 

I have two questions.  One is I'm having a very hard time scanning
Superia 400, and there's no setting for it in Vuescan. Colors are
coming out all wrong even on the scan, and it's very hard to even know
where to start fixing. What Vuescan settings can I tweak? 

in some cases I've done quite a lot of work in PSP7 or PElements and
gotten things pretty good looking, and then when I print it  . . . oy
vey.   I have one of these new Epson 820s - is anything established
yet about how good they are at color reproduction?  

Which leads me to my next question - what is the next step in getting
into CM?  I understand there are some programs for it?  So far all
I've done is the gamma calibration offered by Photoshop Elements, but
I think this is pretty rudimentary.  I realize I probably need to
learn a lot more about colorspaces that I'm working in, but for now
I'm trying to do everything in sRGB.  

What are my next steps towards getting really good control over my
camera to print workflow?



Ken Durling



Photo.net portfolio: 

http://www.photo.net/shared/community-member?user_id=402251