filmscanners: Vuescan feedback
Hi, Ed! I would like to second the suggestion about allowing the reversal of the order of scan. To be able to type in 6-1 and have it scan positions 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 would be a good thing. Better yet, being able to type in the actual desired order of scans would be wonderful! Speaking of wonderful, it is just that, being able to communicate directly with the author of a really good, useful program AND have my needs solicited, and considered, even when not solicited!!! Keep it up, Ed Thanx!!! Guy Clark
Re: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback
What about subtle rotation of the crop box in the scan window? If VueScan currently does this, then I don't know how to use it. I have had a few instance of the slide being a little "off", where I think "off" is on the order of + or - 5 degrees.
Re: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback
I don't think this is needed in Vuescan - if it's off just a little, then 99% of the time the first adjustment will also be off, and often the second, third, and so forth. PhotoShop, Corel PhotoPaint, etc. can do that afterward. Maris - Original Message - From: "Daniel Merchant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback | What about subtle rotation of the crop box in the scan window? If VueScan | currently does this, then I don't know how to use it. I have had a few | instance of the slide being a little "off", where I think "off" is on the | order of + or - 5 degrees. |
Re: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback
I think that this makes a good point regarding Ed's intent for VueScan. His dilemma, if he has one, is how far to take VueScan toward replicating other photo manipulation software rather than staying confined to a scanning program that feeds high quality scans for manipulation in those programs. It would be nice to have it all in one package, but, if that is the case, how much above the $40 US are we willing to pay after we have already invested a pretty good chunk of money into those programs. My feeling is to let Ed stick to providing the highest quality scans that he can get from the many pieces of hardware he supports. He can then let us use other programs to get our final products and keep his price at a level that satisfies all concerned. Gordon IronWorks wrote: > I don't think this is needed in Vuescan - > > PhotoShop, Corel PhotoPaint, etc. can do that afterward. > > Maris > > > | What about subtle rotation of the crop box in the scan window?
Re: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback
In a message dated 3/6/2001 7:56:25 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What about subtle rotation of the crop box in the scan window? If VueScan > currently does this, then I don't know how to use it. I have had a few > instance of the slide being a little "off", where I think "off" is on the > order of + or - 5 degrees. Rotations that aren't an even multiple of 90 degrees are quite CPU intensive and are fairly complex to implement. For now, I'll leave these small rotations to other programs like Photoshop. Regards, Ed Hamrick
RE: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
I've found that with my Canon FS2710 that the negative holder "tilts" noticeably when a frame at either end is scanned. This is not too surprising since the holder is 6 frames long plus another 2 frames worth of holder on the "right-hand" end and the internal bracket is only 1 frame wide. (Try holding the end of a long stick and keeping it perfectly horizontal -- forget about the stick bending for this test). To solve this "problem" I simply turned the scanner on its side so that the negative holder is now horizontal. Voila, with careful insertion, no more tilting! Bob Reilly -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 2:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback In a message dated 3/6/2001 7:56:25 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > What about subtle rotation of the crop box in the scan window? If VueScan > currently does this, then I don't know how to use it. I have had a few > instance of the slide being a little "off", where I think "off" is on the > order of + or - 5 degrees. Rotations that aren't an even multiple of 90 degrees are quite CPU intensive and are fairly complex to implement. For now, I'll leave these small rotations to other programs like Photoshop. Regards, Ed Hamrick
RE: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Reilly, Bob wrote: > I've found that with my Canon FS2710 that the negative holder "tilts" > noticeably when a frame at either end is scanned. This is not too ... > horizontal -- forget about the stick bending for this test). To solve this > "problem" I simply turned the scanner on its side so that the negative > holder is now horizontal. Voila, with careful insertion, no more tilting! But, now dust will settle on the exposed flat surface of the other frames on the strip! This is such a problem with the Minolta Scan Dual II that I turned that scanner sideways to avoid dust problems! Collin
RE: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
On Wednesday, March 07, Collin Ong wrote: > But, now dust will settle on the exposed flat surface of the other frames > on the strip! This is such a problem with the Minolta Scan Dual II that I > turned that scanner sideways to avoid dust problems! Interesting that you'd mention that, Collin. I always set up some kind of a dust shield on top of my Scan Dual II--a notebook or clipboard or something--to try to keep junk from settling on the unscanned frames. I hadn't thought of turning the scanner on its side but I might have to try that. Incidently, I did have the bright idea of scanning the frames in reverse direction, from 6 down to 1, so that each frame would remain inside the scanner while it was waiting to be scanned. But VueScan refuses to do this. If I enter "6-1" in the Frames box, it only scans frame 6. If I enter "6,5,4,3,2,1" it sorts the list and scans in ascending order to spite me! Best wishes, Tim Victor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
Turn it on end perhaps? Maris - Original Message - From: "Collin Ong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 2:12 PM Subject: RE: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback ) | | On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Reilly, Bob wrote: | | > I've found that with my Canon FS2710 that the negative holder "tilts" | > noticeably when a frame at either end is scanned. This is not too | ... | > horizontal -- forget about the stick bending for this test). To solve this | > "problem" I simply turned the scanner on its side so that the negative | > holder is now horizontal. Voila, with careful insertion, no more tilting! | | But, now dust will settle on the exposed flat surface of the other frames | on the strip! This is such a problem with the Minolta Scan Dual II that I | turned that scanner sideways to avoid dust problems! | | Collin | |
RE: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
The Canon doesn't have an automatic frame advance, so I have to physically remove the holder and adjust a slider for the next frame. I ALWAYS attempt to remove the dust from the frame to be scanned. To me, it's not that big a deal. Bob Reilly -Original Message- From: Collin Ong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback ) On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Reilly, Bob wrote: > I've found that with my Canon FS2710 that the negative holder "tilts" > noticeably when a frame at either end is scanned. This is not too ... > horizontal -- forget about the stick bending for this test). To solve this > "problem" I simply turned the scanner on its side so that the negative > holder is now horizontal. Voila, with careful insertion, no more tilting! But, now dust will settle on the exposed flat surface of the other frames on the strip! This is such a problem with the Minolta Scan Dual II that I turned that scanner sideways to avoid dust problems! Collin
RE: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Tim Victor wrote: > On Wednesday, March 07, Collin Ong wrote: > > But, now dust will settle on the exposed flat surface of the other frames > > on the strip! This is such a problem with the Minolta Scan Dual II that I > > turned that scanner sideways to avoid dust problems! > > Interesting that you'd mention that, Collin. I always set up some kind > of a dust shield on top of my Scan Dual II--a notebook or clipboard or > something--to try to keep junk from settling on the unscanned frames. I did both. I turned the scanner on its side, then cut up a cardboard box that enclosed the entire scanner and the protruding film holder. I still got dust on the strip between the time that I air-blew it clean and the time that frame reached the scanner. > Incidently, I did have the bright idea of scanning the frames in reverse > direction, from 6 down to 1, so that each frame would remain inside > the scanner while it was waiting to be scanned. But VueScan refuses > to do this. If I enter "6-1" in the Frames box, it only scans frame 6. If > I enter "6,5,4,3,2,1" it sorts the list and scans in ascending order to > spite me! I believe that the main culprit is the totally nonsensical scan order, as you pointed out. The SDII scans frames from out to in, which maximizes the time the frames spend exposed to the environment. Combine that with the fact that the scan direction for each frame is in the *OPPOSITE* direction, which means that after scanning, the *slow* transport has to move back across the frame to get to the next one. I have no idea what Minolta was thinking when they designed this scanner (if indeed they did the design themselves). Ed Hamrick: is there any way you can reverse the order the frames are scanned in? This would greatly improve the usability of this scanner. Thanks, Collin
Re: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
Collin Ong wrote: > > > But, now dust will settle on the exposed flat surface of the other frames > on the strip! This is such a problem with the Minolta Scan Dual II that I > turned that scanner sideways to avoid dust problems! > > Collin You've got some dust problem there! How does the unit operate in that plane? Any problems yet? What about putting a "dust guard" over the entrance area made out of cardboard or whatever, to protect the film carrier from dust, which mainly falls from above? Art
Re: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
I do have a dust problem. A piece of plastic wrap loosely placed over the front and back cover of my ss4000 helps a good deal, protecting the slides/negs on the holder and also blocking dust from getting in the mechanism. John M. > What about putting a "dust guard" over the > entrance area made out of cardboard or whatever, to protect the film > carrier from dust, which mainly falls from above? > > Art >
Re: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
Collin Ong wrote: > I believe that the main culprit is the totally nonsensical scan order, as > you pointed out. The SDII scans frames from out to in, which maximizes > the time the frames spend exposed to the environment. Combine that with > the fact that the scan direction for each frame is in the *OPPOSITE* > direction, which means that after scanning, the *slow* transport has to > move back across the frame to get to the next one. I have no idea what > Minolta was thinking when they designed this scanner (if indeed they did > the design themselves). > > Ed Hamrick: is there any way you can reverse the order the frames are > scanned in? This would greatly improve the usability of this scanner. > Could it be that they were thinking of people who want to scan just one slide, and would otherwise have to wait until the whole carrier was pulled in before scanning, and then having to wait for the whole carrier to eject? Just a thought. Art
Re: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Arthur Entlich wrote: > Collin Ong wrote: > > I believe that the main culprit is the totally nonsensical scan order, as > > you pointed out. The SDII scans frames from out to in, which maximizes > > the time the frames spend exposed to the environment. Combine that with > > the fact that the scan direction for each frame is in the *OPPOSITE* > > direction, which means that after scanning, the *slow* transport has to > > move back across the frame to get to the next one. I have no idea what > Could it be that they were thinking of people who want to scan just one > slide, and would otherwise have to wait until the whole carrier was > pulled in before scanning, and then having to wait for the whole carrier > to eject? Just a thought. That's a good thought, and it made me consider those people for a while, but I concluded: First off, why add the expense of a film transport for batch scanning, then make it unbearably painful to use it for batch scanning? Second, if somebody is scanning only one frame in a strip, then its equally likely that the frame will be closer to one end or the other. Either way, there will be some times when they'll have to wait for the transport, and it'll average out. But batch scanners suffer every time. -Collin
Re: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
In a message dated 3/7/2001 7:20:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Ed Hamrick: is there any way you can reverse the order the frames are > scanned in? This would greatly improve the usability of this scanner. This is on my list of things to look into. It shouldn't be too hard to make VueScan do the scans in the order specified. I actually had to work harder to make it sort the frame numbers. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: Tilted Scans (was: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback )
Collin Ong wrote: > On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Arthur Entlich wrote: > >> Collin Ong wrote: >> >>> I believe that the main culprit is the totally nonsensical scan order, as >>> you pointed out. The SDII scans frames from out to in, which maximizes >>> the time the frames spend exposed to the environment. Combine that with >>> the fact that the scan direction for each frame is in the *OPPOSITE* >>> direction, which means that after scanning, the *slow* transport has to >>> move back across the frame to get to the next one. I have no idea what >> > >> Could it be that they were thinking of people who want to scan just one >> slide, and would otherwise have to wait until the whole carrier was >> pulled in before scanning, and then having to wait for the whole carrier >> to eject? Just a thought. > > > That's a good thought, and it made me consider those people for a while, > but I concluded: > > First off, why add the expense of a film transport for batch scanning, > then make it unbearably painful to use it for batch scanning? > > Second, if somebody is scanning only one frame in a strip, then its > equally likely that the frame will be closer to one end or the other. > Either way, there will be some times when they'll have to wait for the > transport, and it'll average out. > > But batch scanners suffer every time. > Wouldn't the person needing only one frame of a film strip just flip the neg around in the carrier (if the carrier can only go in one way) so that the frame was closest to the front end? And what about for slides, where you can place the image anywhere you wish in the carrier? Seems to me this scanner is not best for batch scanning. Perhaps they could have designed it, or through software, had it switchable to do either direction, but maybe the motor become less accurate that way. I'd ask Minolta... Art
filmscanners: Vuescan feedback - zoom (was: Need feedback on VueScan Improvements)
>IMO providing the zoom feature just for more accurate >cropping would be very low priority. With all due respect, for some of us a more precise crop will help a lot with limiting white point determination and constraining color adjustment calculations to the desired crop areas. For now we can fuzz that with the buffer (and border) controls; but a precise crop is definitely worth something. Along this line, a film strip scan with a Photosmart scanner displays the entire strip in preview. It can be really difficult to get a good crop selection on one frame of a strip. (I use a LS-30 now but started film scanning with the original scsi Photosmart -- as did Ed!). -- Bob Shomler http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm
RE: filmscanners: Vuescan feedback - zoom (was: Need feedback on VueScan Improvements)
> With all due respect, for some of us a more precise crop will help a lot > with limiting white point determination and constraining color adjustment > calculations to the desired crop areas. For now we can fuzz that with the > buffer (and border) controls; but a precise crop is definitely worth > something. > I am always confused by VueScans crop, buffer, and border controls. Can Ed clarify what each control does and how to use them? It would be great is the preview window could graphically display each and we knew which was which.
