[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 18, Issue 18

[Ken Moore]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark Lew
writes:
>Personally, I'm a control freak, so I like being able to write the code 
>myself.  With the software packages I'm never quite sure how it's being 
>implemented. Somehow that bothers me, even though I know it isn't 
>entirely rational.

I sympathise with that view.  I was particularly incensed to find that
the source file display in FrontPage2000 concealed some of the tags that
the program had inserted in the wysiwyg view.

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[Finale] Scan and Default doc

[A-NO-NE Music]

Not only Smart Scan doesn't work well, I just found out it doesn't use
_my_ default document that is the template for my new document.  I
actually don't know what template it used.

Is this a documented feature?  Did I forget something I was supposed to
do?  It was too late to copy the data to a new doc when I realized my
usual page layout is totally gone.

P.S. I posted before but received no response.  On my 4 Macs, Finale
documents are the only ones disappears magically.  This has been going
for years so I have a habit to make duplicates in multiple locations.  It
has been OK for a while since I can find the backup in one of the
locations.  But there was one music I seems to lost, no where to found. 
This is why I had to scan my own music tonight.  Anyway, am I the only
one having this disappearance problem?  I have a feeling the answer is yes :-(

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- Hiro

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[Finale] Style in Ossia

[A-NO-NE Music]

This is another one I have been frustrated with for a long time.  I would
like to check with you if I haven't missed anything.

More often than not, I need Style reflects to Ossia.  I have played with
many Style and Ossia options to no avail, ending up with creating the
source measure with special stems and note-heads.

Is there any other way?

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- Hiro

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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[A-NO-NE Music]

When last time GPO was in the subject, I mentioned NI won't work well on
Mac, and recommended to have a PC as a dedicated Virtual Instruments
host.  Interestingly I did get responses that NI/GPO works fine on Mac :-)

I have been doing this ever since I got fed up with NI attitude.  I have
V-Stack on my Win2K machine with RME interface, which gives me total of
24 ch of light-pipe, sending to Mac side.  The receiving end is MOTU
2408.  This setup is virtually trouble free.


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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Simon Troup]

> Any Mac users know of 
> comparable orchestra sounds for similar price?

The East West Orchestral Silver Edition. A little more expensive but nowhere 
near as much as the Vienna. It also uses Kontakt, so it may suffer the same 
problems as GPO!

Simon Troup
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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Simon Troup]

> The attitude of the people at NI towards this problem was 
> summed up by one Northern Sounds contributor as "Get over it and get a 
> PC.

I sincerely hope that now Apple owns eMagic, they'll start looking at adding to 
their portfolio by acquiring Native Instruments :)

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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Chuck,
I should say that Gary Garritan himself does seem genuinely, personally 
concerned about the awful performance of GPO on Macs.  He recently 
revised the "recommended" specs on the website (but not the box) to be 
less blatantly misleading -- "recommended" is now 1.6 GHz G5 instead of 
733 MHz G4.  And he is apparently trying to put pressure on Native 
Instruments to put more effort into their Mac port of GPO Studio.  I'm 
glad he's working on them -- I just don't have much confidence that 
these efforts will make much of a difference, given (A) the size of 
Apple's market share, and (B) the rabidly anti-Mac corporate culture at 
Native Instruments.

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On 16 Jan 2005, at 09:47 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
Hi all,
I'm so sorry to hear these reports, since I've been optimistic about 
the sound quality of GPO's samples and eager to try them.  I've just 
been waiting for the version with the jazz instruments.  Now, I'm not 
so sure (Steve Wright: "I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm 
not so sure.") I'll be able to use the software.  I await further 
reports about what the gurus think about the chances of things working 
in a single processor 1.8 GHz G5 - now with 1.5 GB RAM.

Chuck
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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Chuck Israels]

Hi all,

I'm so sorry to hear these reports, since I've been optimistic about the sound quality of GPO's samples and eager to try them.  I've just been waiting for the version with the jazz instruments.  Now, I'm not so sure (Steve Wright: "I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.") I'll be able to use the software.  I await further reports about what the gurus think about the chances of things working in a single processor 1.8 GHz G5 - now with 1.5 GB RAM.

Chuck


On Jan 16, 2005, at 6:08 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

On 16 Jan 2005, at 07:49 PM, Bonnie Harris wrote:

Gerald,
Is your G5 dual or single processor?  And is the stuttering a 'feature' regardless of size of project?  I rarely do anything so large, but I like the sounds so have been considering GPO.  Yours and Darcy's posts are causing me to rethink.  I'm on Mac G5 1.8, 1GB RAM, can always up the RAM but wonder if I want to with these problems and pay the same price as a PC user minus the sequencer.  Any Mac users know of comparable orchestra sounds for similar price?
Thanks,
Bonnie

Well, after browsing the Northern Sounds forums, it seems that the culprit is as much Native Instruments and their customized GPO Kontakt Player as it is the demands of the GPO sounds per se.  Native Instruments hate Macs -- that much is clear from the crappy nonstandard interface design of Kontakt Player -- and apparently their software performs very poorly on Macs versus PCs, since it is not optimized for G4s or G5s.  The attitude of the people at NI towards this problem was summed up by one Northern Sounds contributor as "Get over it and get a PC."

There are AFAIK no "comparable" orchestra sounds for anywhere near the same price.  But my perusal of the Northern Sounds forum did nothing to make me any less pessimistic about GPO's hardware demands.

The take-home message from the Northern Sounds forums seems to be essentially this:

1) Forget about using GPO at all on *any* Mac laptop, up to and including the top-of-the-line 17" PowerBook 1.5 GHz G4.

2) Forget about using GPO at all on the eMac or [sigh] Mac mini.  (I sincerely hope this is an exaggeration, and I will try it myself and let you all know, but that's the impression I'm getting so far.)

3) GPO *might* be borderline usable on a single 1.6 GHz G5 (iMac or PowerMac) if you have at least 1.5 GHz of RAM and stick to chamber music (max 10 voices) and are willing to take the following steps:

• reduce the sample rate to 32 KHz.
• bypass the Ambience reverb.
• maximize the buffer size and latency.
• drastically reduce the maximum polyphony of the strings, piano, harp, and percussion, and always use the "Lite" version of the piano.
• accept that your in-Finale playback is always going to be full of pops.  Always record to file, and hope that the resulting AIFF file will turn out okay.  If not, go back and lower your settings some more (by eliminating or simplifying timpani or cymbal rolls, for instance) and try again.
• use every trick in the book to squeeze every ounce of performance out of your Mac -- don't run anything except Finale and GPO (not even QuicKeys), turn off scrolling in Finale and close all documents except the active one, turn off disk journaling and AirPort and Bluetooh and file sharing and everything else you can think of, close all possible windows and minimize the rest, except Finale's playback window (minimize the Finale document window) and the "Record to File" window in GPO Studio (minimize the main GPO studio window).

4) I would guess that you would need, at minimum, a dual 1.8 GHz PowerMac G5 with 2-3 GB of RAM just to *load* an entire orchestra into GPO Studio -- and playback from within Finale will probably still be full of pops.

5) Maybe, just maybe, with a dual 2.5 GHz G5 maxed out with 8 GB of RAM, you might be able to get full-orchestra 44.1 kHz playback from GPO from within Finale using the default GPO settings (although from what Jerry is saying, even that isn't a sure thing).  And heck, that little setup would only set you back $6,849.00 (monitor not included).  Plus $225 for the GPO software, of course.

6) However, GPO apparently runs just fine on a $1000 budget PC.

The sound quality, features, ease of use, and Finale integration of GPO are outstanding, no question.  But the "Recommended Requirements" on the box (G4 733 Mhz, 1 GB RAM) are nothing but a pack of lies.  In fact, they are so misleading as to be insulting.

Maybe in another three years, I will be able to afford a computer that can actually run this software.

- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] Re: Audio editing

[SteveSTCC]

Thanks for your reply. Actually I'm not sure if I have the 
full version! I'm not sure how to tell; it's been several years 
since I bought it, and probably my use of it is fairly basic.
I have Peak LE 3.21 for OS9. My computer is a Beige 
PowerMac G3, OS 9.2.2.
(I first got Peak 3.2, then upgraded to 3.21. Both are 
on the computer.)

I installed a sound card on my Mac (M-Audio Delta); the software 
that came with it put a sound control panel in my Control Panels 
submenu, which shows a mixing-board kind of appearance with 
different controls for input/output. (I've also found it to be very 
unstable, freezing/crashing my Mac when experimenting with the 
settings to find the correct path for input/output; so once I 
found it, I tried never to touch it again...) I actually ended up 
plugging the cables into the Sound In ports, not the sound card 
jacks, but it's worked for 2 years this way...: when plugging my 
turntable into my amp, and from there into the Mac, the Audio 
Delta "mixing-board" shows activity on its "meters". but recording 
in SoundHack no longer shows activity on the SoundHack screen, 
and produces a flat-line empty sound file.

Looking in Peak after reading your email, I notice a menu for 
Recording, but shortly after I click "Record", Peak crash-quits with 
an error message citing Error Type 12... ? I don't know what kind 
of problem this is. A missing or incorrectly installed driver? Or 
something else?

I'd love to eliminate the middleman and both record and edit in Peak. 
Any ideas?

Thanks,
Steve S.
NYC
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In a message dated 1/16/05 7:00:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< At 6:46 PM -0500 1/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I too need some audio software. I am on a Mac PowerPC running OS 9.2.2. I'm
>used to using SoundHack to record tapes or LPs, then using Peak to edit the
>sound files. But SoundHack has suddenly stopped working; while I 
>fiddle with it
>to see if I can get it running again, I'm wondering if anyone knows of other
>freeware/shareware that can also record on my system?


Peak can record as well as import audio. You already have the 
software! (Unless, of course, you don't have the full version.) Give 
us more details about your setup and versions of software that you 
have.

-Randolph Peters >>

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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Darcy James Argue]

On 16 Jan 2005, at 07:49 PM, Bonnie Harris wrote:
Gerald,
Is your G5 dual or single processor?  And is the stuttering a 
'feature' regardless of size of project?  I rarely do anything so 
large, but I like the sounds so have been considering GPO.  Yours and 
Darcy's posts are causing me to rethink.  I'm on Mac G5 1.8, 1GB RAM, 
can always up the RAM but wonder if I want to with these problems and 
pay the same price as a PC user minus the sequencer.  Any Mac users 
know of comparable orchestra sounds for similar price?
Thanks,
Bonnie
Well, after browsing the Northern Sounds forums, it seems that the 
culprit is as much Native Instruments and their customized GPO Kontakt 
Player as it is the demands of the GPO sounds per se.  Native 
Instruments hate Macs -- that much is clear from the crappy nonstandard 
interface design of Kontakt Player -- and apparently their software 
performs very poorly on Macs versus PCs, since it is not optimized for 
G4s or G5s.  The attitude of the people at NI towards this problem was 
summed up by one Northern Sounds contributor as "Get over it and get a 
PC."

There are AFAIK no "comparable" orchestra sounds for anywhere near the 
same price.  But my perusal of the Northern Sounds forum did nothing to 
make me any less pessimistic about GPO's hardware demands.

The take-home message from the Northern Sounds forums seems to be 
essentially this:

1) Forget about using GPO at all on *any* Mac laptop, up to and 
including the top-of-the-line 17" PowerBook 1.5 GHz G4.

2) Forget about using GPO at all on the eMac or [sigh] Mac mini.  (I 
sincerely hope this is an exaggeration, and I will try it myself and 
let you all know, but that's the impression I'm getting so far.)

3) GPO *might* be borderline usable on a single 1.6 GHz G5 (iMac or 
PowerMac) if you have at least 1.5 GHz of RAM and stick to chamber 
music (max 10 voices) and are willing to take the following steps:

	• reduce the sample rate to 32 KHz.
	• bypass the Ambience reverb.
	• maximize the buffer size and latency.
	• drastically reduce the maximum polyphony of the strings, piano, 
harp, and percussion, and always use the "Lite" version of the piano.
	• accept that your in-Finale playback is always going to be full of 
pops.  Always record to file, and hope that the resulting AIFF file 
will turn out okay.  If not, go back and lower your settings some more 
(by eliminating or simplifying timpani or cymbal rolls, for instance) 
and try again.
	• use every trick in the book to squeeze every ounce of performance 
out of your Mac -- don't run anything except Finale and GPO (not even 
QuicKeys), turn off scrolling in Finale and close all documents except 
the active one, turn off disk journaling and AirPort and Bluetooh and 
file sharing and everything else you can think of, close all possible 
windows and minimize the rest, except Finale's playback window 
(minimize the Finale document window) and the "Record to File" window 
in GPO Studio (minimize the main GPO studio window).

4) I would guess that you would need, at minimum, a dual 1.8 GHz 
PowerMac G5 with 2-3 GB of RAM just to *load* an entire orchestra into 
GPO Studio -- and playback from within Finale will probably still be 
full of pops.

5) Maybe, just maybe, with a dual 2.5 GHz G5 maxed out with 8 GB of 
RAM, you might be able to get full-orchestra 44.1 kHz playback from GPO 
from within Finale using the default GPO settings (although from what 
Jerry is saying, even that isn't a sure thing).  And heck, that little 
setup would only set you back $6,849.00 (monitor not included).  Plus 
$225 for the GPO software, of course.

6) However, GPO apparently runs just fine on a $1000 budget PC.
The sound quality, features, ease of use, and Finale integration of GPO 
are outstanding, no question.  But the "Recommended Requirements" on 
the box (G4 733 Mhz, 1 GB RAM) are nothing but a pack of lies.  In 
fact, they are so misleading as to be insulting.

Maybe in another three years, I will be able to afford a computer that 
can actually run this software.

- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Bonnie Harris]

Gerald,
Is your G5 dual or single processor?  And is the stuttering a 'feature' 
regardless of size of project?  I rarely do anything so large, but I 
like the sounds so have been considering GPO.  Yours and Darcy's posts 
are causing me to rethink.  I'm on Mac G5 1.8, 1GB RAM, can always up 
the RAM but wonder if I want to with these problems and pay the same 
price as a PC user minus the sequencer.  Any Mac users know of 
comparable orchestra sounds for similar price?
Thanks,
Bonnie

On Sunday, January 16, 2005, at 06:26 AM, Gerald Berg wrote:
First thing is to record the file and listen to that.  The stuttering 
is a 'feature' on the Mac side of this program.  Apparently, not to be 
fixed.  Even with the a 1.8 the stuttering will happen but not 
necessarily after being recorded.

I run G5 -1.6- 3 GB ram.  Everything stripped, minimized or optimized. 
 Big score long running time and only a few places where I had to 
simplify the orchestration in order to get a satisfactory performance.
Doesn't mean I'm not pissed tho'

Go to
northernsounds.com/forum/
follow links
search pop or crackle
that should give you more ideas on work arounds.
Jerry

On 15-Jan-05, at 7:05 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Based on the miserable performance I'm getting on my current setup, I 
would guess that you would need at least a 1.8 GHz G5 with 1.5 GB of 
RAM to run Finale and GPO simultaneously without things getting 
unusably slow.  Does that gibe with everyone else's experience?

Is anyone running Fin2005 + GPO on a PowerBook with 1 GB of RAM?  The 
current PowerBooks have similar specs to the Mac mini -- 1.33 to 1.5 
GHz G4 with no L3 cache, PC2700 RAM, 167 MHz bus, slow (4200-rpm) 
hard drive.  [The only significant difference is that the PowerBooks 
all support more than 1 GB or RAM, while the Mini does not.]  If so, 
are you getting acceptable results?

The GPO sample library is great.  I'm just hoping I'll actually be 
able to *use* it on a 1.42 GHz Mac mini with just 1 GHz of RAM.  (And 
god knows I had enough performance issues with Fin2005 already, 
without introducing this fresh complication... )

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PS I'm still waiting to hear about the Second Edition.
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Re: [Finale] Grace notes

[Dean M. Estabrook]

That's exactly the problem ... I didn't say. What's more, I'm not sure 
why the topic was on my machine in the first place, or how it got sent. 
 Sorry about that.

A highly confused Dean
On Jan 16, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Carl Dershem wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
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Para mí, la música es la respiración de la vida y de Dios.
Per me, la musica è l'alito della vita e di Dio
Pour moi, la musique est le souffle de la vie et de Dieu.
Für mich ist Musik der Atem des Lebens und des Gottes.
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Re: [Finale] Grace notes

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Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
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[Finale] Re: Audio editing

[Randolph Peters]

At 6:46 PM -0500 1/16/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I too need some audio software. I am on a Mac PowerPC running OS 9.2.2. I'm
used to using SoundHack to record tapes or LPs, then using Peak to edit the
sound files. But SoundHack has suddenly stopped working; while I 
fiddle with it
to see if I can get it running again, I'm wondering if anyone knows of other
freeware/shareware that can also record on my system?

Peak can record as well as import audio. You already have the 
software! (Unless, of course, you don't have the full version.) Give 
us more details about your setup and versions of software that you 
have.

-Randolph Peters
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Re: [Finale] Grace notes

[Dean M. Estabrook]

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[Finale] Re: Audio editing

[SteveSTCC]

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In a message dated 1/15/05 1:01:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< There are plenty of free/shareware programs that can do this.  If your 
friend
has a disk for her soundcard or CD burner there may well be one on that.  
Otherwise,
a neat little shareware program I use is CDWave www.cdwave.com which records 
wav files, displays the waveform, plays back, sets markers and can split the 
file into
smaller files. >>

I too need some audio software. I am on a Mac PowerPC running OS 9.2.2. I'm 
used to using SoundHack to record tapes or LPs, then using Peak to edit the 
sound files. But SoundHack has suddenly stopped working; while I fiddle with it 
to see if I can get it running again, I'm wondering if anyone knows of other 
freeware/shareware that can also record on my system? (The examples cited above 
look nice, but one seems to need OSX, and the other is non-Mac...)

thanks,
Steve Shulman
NYC
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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Jerry,
You wrote -- in the Northern Sound forums:
 Well I answered one of my questions. The ONLY setting for CPU quality 
is 100%. So, all previous things I was talking about everywhere on 
this list was blowing only so much smoke out the ol' wazoo. But going 
back to Mac crackle and pop -- reducing CPU quality is the last thing 
you should do. Basically what happens is you got people hearing back 
their stuff at 18% quality and another at 100% -- they're talking two 
different planets -- two different posts. Suddenly I have VOLUME and 
no scratch!

 jerry
What does that mean???  I was told to *reduce* the CPU quality in the 
Ambience because it's such a resource pig.  I don't care about reverb 
at this point -- dry is fine.  I have limited CPU cycles and I want 
them all going to playing back the damn notes.  But are you saying that 
turning down the CPU quality knob *causes* the crackle and pop?

- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Darcy James Argue]

Something else occurred to me -- does anyone have any experience 
running GPO on a separate computer from Finale?  Does that even work?

- Darcy
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On 16 Jan 2005, at 04:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hi Jerry,
On 16 Jan 2005, at 10:26 AM, Gerald Berg wrote:
First thing is to record the file and listen to that.
Ah, okay.  I'm still brand-new to the program, and I didn't realize 
that was possible.

The stuttering is a 'feature' on the Mac side of this program.  
Apparently, not to be fixed.
You're kidding, right?  Right?
I run G5 -1.6- 3 GB ram.  Everything stripped, minimized or 
optimized.  Big score long running time and only a few places where I 
had to simplify the orchestration in order to get a satisfactory 
performance.
Doesn't mean I'm not pissed tho'
Right.  I have to say, I'm a little concerned then, seeing as the Mac 
mini can't do more than 1 GB RAM.  Clearly, I should have done a 
little more research into system requirements before picking up GPO.  
The minimum specs listed on the box are a joke (Mac OS X, G4 733, 1 GB 
RAM).

But anyway, it seems like you're saying this is not a tool for 
replacing Finale instruments for regular, within-the-score playback -- 
it's more a tool to get a decent-sounding demo of the score once it's 
complete  Okay -- I can live with that.  It's just not what I thought 
I was getting.

Go to
northernsounds.com/forum/
follow links
search pop or crackle
that should give you more ideas on work arounds.
Thanks, Jerry.  I will.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 15-Jan-05, at 7:05 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Based on the miserable performance I'm getting on my current setup, 
I would guess that you would need at least a 1.8 GHz G5 with 1.5 GB 
of RAM to run Finale and GPO simultaneously without things getting 
unusably slow.  Does that gibe with everyone else's experience?

Is anyone running Fin2005 + GPO on a PowerBook with 1 GB of RAM?  
The current PowerBooks have similar specs to the Mac mini -- 1.33 to 
1.5 GHz G4 with no L3 cache, PC2700 RAM, 167 MHz bus, slow 
(4200-rpm) hard drive.  [The only significant difference is that the 
PowerBooks all support more than 1 GB or RAM, while the Mini does 
not.]  If so, are you getting acceptable results?

The GPO sample library is great.  I'm just hoping I'll actually be 
able to *use* it on a 1.42 GHz Mac mini with just 1 GHz of RAM.  
(And god knows I had enough performance issues with Fin2005 already, 
without introducing this fresh complication... )

- Darcy
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PS I'm still waiting to hear about the Second Edition.
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Re: [Finale] GPO

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi,
On 16 Jan 2005, at 02:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In your audio setup for GPO try lowering the sample rate from 44k to 
22 k.  That'll help a slower processor.  Work with a sequencer that 
can freeze tracks to conserve CPU resources.  I don't know if the Mac 
Mini will be much better.  Do a search on Northern Sounds for 
additional tips.
Thanks for the tips.  Lowering the sample rate was going to be my next 
step (although I can't say I'm thrilled about having to do that).  I 
don't own a sequencer and I don't have any particular interest in 
getting into that world -- I just want better, balanced playback from 
Finale, as more of my clients are now demanding audio demos of 
arrangements and orchestrations in advance.

I'll check out the Northern Sounds boards -- thanks,
- Darcy
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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Jerry,
On 16 Jan 2005, at 10:26 AM, Gerald Berg wrote:
First thing is to record the file and listen to that.
Ah, okay.  I'm still brand-new to the program, and I didn't realize 
that was possible.

The stuttering is a 'feature' on the Mac side of this program.  
Apparently, not to be fixed.
You're kidding, right?  Right?
I run G5 -1.6- 3 GB ram.  Everything stripped, minimized or optimized. 
 Big score long running time and only a few places where I had to 
simplify the orchestration in order to get a satisfactory performance.
Doesn't mean I'm not pissed tho'
Right.  I have to say, I'm a little concerned then, seeing as the Mac 
mini can't do more than 1 GB RAM.  Clearly, I should have done a little 
more research into system requirements before picking up GPO.  The 
minimum specs listed on the box are a joke (Mac OS X, G4 733, 1 GB 
RAM).

But anyway, it seems like you're saying this is not a tool for 
replacing Finale instruments for regular, within-the-score playback -- 
it's more a tool to get a decent-sounding demo of the score once it's 
complete  Okay -- I can live with that.  It's just not what I thought I 
was getting.

Go to
northernsounds.com/forum/
follow links
search pop or crackle
that should give you more ideas on work arounds.
Thanks, Jerry.  I will.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 15-Jan-05, at 7:05 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Based on the miserable performance I'm getting on my current setup, I 
would guess that you would need at least a 1.8 GHz G5 with 1.5 GB of 
RAM to run Finale and GPO simultaneously without things getting 
unusably slow.  Does that gibe with everyone else's experience?

Is anyone running Fin2005 + GPO on a PowerBook with 1 GB of RAM?  The 
current PowerBooks have similar specs to the Mac mini -- 1.33 to 1.5 
GHz G4 with no L3 cache, PC2700 RAM, 167 MHz bus, slow (4200-rpm) 
hard drive.  [The only significant difference is that the PowerBooks 
all support more than 1 GB or RAM, while the Mini does not.]  If so, 
are you getting acceptable results?

The GPO sample library is great.  I'm just hoping I'll actually be 
able to *use* it on a 1.42 GHz Mac mini with just 1 GHz of RAM.  (And 
god knows I had enough performance issues with Fin2005 already, 
without introducing this fresh complication... )

- Darcy
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PS I'm still waiting to hear about the Second Edition.
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Re: [Finale] GPO

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Darcy,

In your audio setup for GPO try lowering the sample rate from 44k to 22 k.   That'll help a slower processor.   Work with a sequencer that can freeze tracks to conserve CPU resources.   I don't know if the Mac Mini will be much better.   Do a search on Northern Sounds for additional tips.

Good Luck
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[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 18, Issue 15

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Re: [Finale] GPO, alas

[Gerald Berg]

First thing is to record the file and listen to that.  The stuttering 
is a 'feature' on the Mac side of this program.  Apparently, not to be 
fixed.  Even with the a 1.8 the stuttering will happen but not 
necessarily after being recorded.

I run G5 -1.6- 3 GB ram.  Everything stripped, minimized or optimized.  
Big score long running time and only a few places where I had to 
simplify the orchestration in order to get a satisfactory performance.
Doesn't mean I'm not pissed tho'

Go to
northernsounds.com/forum/
follow links
search pop or crackle
that should give you more ideas on work arounds.
Jerry

On 15-Jan-05, at 7:05 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:

Based on the miserable performance I'm getting on my current setup, I 
would guess that you would need at least a 1.8 GHz G5 with 1.5 GB of 
RAM to run Finale and GPO simultaneously without things getting 
unusably slow.  Does that gibe with everyone else's experience?

Is anyone running Fin2005 + GPO on a PowerBook with 1 GB of RAM?  The 
current PowerBooks have similar specs to the Mac mini -- 1.33 to 1.5 
GHz G4 with no L3 cache, PC2700 RAM, 167 MHz bus, slow (4200-rpm) hard 
drive.  [The only significant difference is that the PowerBooks all 
support more than 1 GB or RAM, while the Mini does not.]  If so, are 
you getting acceptable results?

The GPO sample library is great.  I'm just hoping I'll actually be 
able to *use* it on a 1.42 GHz Mac mini with just 1 GHz of RAM.  (And 
god knows I had enough performance issues with Fin2005 already, 
without introducing this fresh complication... )

- Darcy
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Brooklyn, NY
PS I'm still waiting to hear about the Second Edition.
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[Finale] TAN: iBook keyboard

[Johannes Gebauer]

I just got my new iBook (after years of struggling on an old 
Wallstreet...). Before I had a little number keypad for Speedy note 
entry, but it was an ADB device, so it won't work anymore (and it 
actually doesn't work properly anymore anyway). I could just get a new 
USB one, but I also can switch into "Num." mode on my iBook to get the 
equivalent on the keyboard. The Wallstreet had a similar feature, but 
there the rest of the keyboard would still work, as far as I remember. 
On the iBook this doesn't seem to be the case.
Does anyone know of a patch which could do this, so that I can still use 
the, eg, G-key to enter a grace note? Currently, if I use this function 
on the iBook, I have to switch off the Num. mode, hit G, and switch Num 
back on. Rather silly.

Johannes
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[Finale] Web design

[Ken Moore]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark Lew
writes:

>On Jan 14, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>
>> Can anyone recommend a good, *cheap* web-page design program that will 
>> work in Mac OSXpanther? I've been using Claris Home Page in System 9.
>
>Probably not the answer you're looking for, but one idea which is 
>certainly cheap is to learn HTML and just type up all your code in a 
>text editor.  I know I'm not the only one who does that.  With a well 
>organized plan for templates and style sheets, it can be practical even 
>for a large site.

Two free HTML editors that I have downloaded:

Arachnophilia;

OpenOffice.

Sorry I don't have the URLs, but Google will find the second.  I don't
know the current status of Arachnophilia, which I got several years ago.
OpenOffice is a suite, and the editor seems to have modes, depending on
what sort of file you want to work on.  For working on web pages, its
advantage over Arachnophilia is that it is wysiwyg.  I haven't done much
in it yet, but it has all been fairly straightforward so far, except
that it seems not to want me to insert a  tag (it turns it into 
), presumably because it is now deprecated, though browsers still
cope.

-- 
Ken Moore
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