Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Eric Dussault]

Le 05-08-31 à 07:08, Johannes Gebauer a écrit :

Am I correct that only dotted slurs and similar smart shapes are  
affected by this bug? I am not trying to make it look less serious,  
it is serious, but I am trying to work out whether it will be a  
problem for me...


Johannes


For the moment, yes. But I've heard other people like Simon Troup  
having a different issue with eps. He may come back to us on the  
subject.
I've also had a problem with a test file using a lot of smart shapes  
because I wanted to test them all before going further. I have never  
been able to print this eps and even Preview crashed when trying to  
convert it into pdf.


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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Darcy James Argue]

Just uncheck the "Ambience reverb" button to disable it.

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On 31 Aug 2005, at 5:01 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:

Hmm,  I would have thought that moving the Qualtiy CPU way down,  
would have exacerbated the clicks, etc, rather than improving them.  
I'll have to try that.  By absolutely dry, do you mean to set the  
room size to zero?


Dean

On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Harold Owen wrote:



Regarding FinMac2k6:

I'm on a Mac G4, 800 Mhz, with 1 Gig. RAM. When I'm working on a  
large score with many instruments, I select SoftSynth in the MIDI  
Window to begin with. It's good enough for editing, and it doesn't  
slow down operations. Then when everything else is done I switch  
to GPO and load the instruments. I can use absolutely dry room  
acoustics, then add reverb with another application later when I  
make an audio file. If I do open the Ambience dialog box, I dial  
the "Quallity/cpu" down below 50%. This greatly reduces any clicks  
and stuttering in playback.




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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Dean M. Estabrook]

Hmm,  I would have thought that moving the Qualtiy CPU way down,  
would have exacerbated the clicks, etc, rather than improving them.  
I'll have to try that.  By absolutely dry, do you mean to set the  
room size to zero?


Dean

On Aug 31, 2005, at 9:07 AM, Harold Owen wrote:


Regarding FinMac2k6:

I'm on a Mac G4, 800 Mhz, with 1 Gig. RAM. When I'm working on a  
large score with many instruments, I select SoftSynth in the MIDI  
Window to begin with. It's good enough for editing, and it doesn't  
slow down operations. Then when everything else is done I switch to  
GPO and load the instruments. I can use absolutely dry room  
acoustics, then add reverb with another application later when I  
make an audio file. If I do open the Ambience dialog box, I dial  
the "Quallity/cpu" down below 50%. This greatly reduces any clicks  
and stuttering in playback.



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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Darcy James Argue]

On 31 Aug 2005, at 3:13 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


Of course, if it vastly improves the anti-aliasing of small font
sizes, that might make it more compelling as a feature, since Finale
is the kind of program where it's useful to see a lot on the screen
at once (i.e., smaller magnification).


It does. And, as Johannes says, it also antialiases non-font  
characters (like hairpins, beams, and slurs).


There really is a world of difference between Quartz and any other  
form of antialiasing. It's not just a matter of degree -- Quartz is  
qualitatively different, and vastly superior. That's why I  
recommended you check it out on an actual Mac.


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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Darcy James Argue]

On 31 Aug 2005, at 3:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


Well, it would depend on how that's done. I'd think you would want
those kinds of lines to always be at least 1 onscreen pixel, so I'd
think anti-aliasing wouldn't really help much.


Quartz uses shaded pixels to create the illusion of line thickness.   
If you have a black line that is supposed to be 1.5 pixels thick,  
Quartz will draw a black line and a light gray line below it.  If the  
line is supposed to be 1.75 pixels thick, the gray line will be  
darker.  If a 1-pixel line falls exactly between two pixels on- 
screen, it will be drawn as two thin gray lines instead.


Many people found this behavior annoying for staff lines, so Finale  
leaves it off by default. But it does give you a much more accurate  
sense of how thick the staff lines actually are relative to the  
noteheads. In older versions of Finale, there was no visual  
difference between staff lines that were 2.5 EVPUs thick vs. 3.5  
EVPUs thick.  In FinMac2006, there is (if you turn on smoothing for  
staff lines).


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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 21:16 Uhr David W. Fenton wrote:
Well, it would depend on how that's done. I'd think you would want 
those kinds of lines to always be at least 1 onscreen pixel, so I'd 
think anti-aliasing wouldn't really help much.




I posted last week about Adobe Acrobat Reader 5 vs. 7, and the
difference between the smoothing of lines (5 is vastly superior to
7). Can anyone else confirm this, or is it some configuration problem
with my system?



On the Mac Acrobat Reader 5 (with vector graphics anti-aliasing enabled) 
looks like Antialiasing _with_ bar/stafflines enabled, while Reader 7 
looks like without. I personally prefer the staff lines anti-aliased 
because if they aren't at small view %s the distance between staff lines 
can vary, and give a very inconsistent look.
In the beta process it was quite clear that some prefered these lines 
a-a-ed, while others didn't. It seems to be very subjective.


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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[David W. Fenton]

On 31 Aug 2005 at 21:01, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

> On 20:41 Uhr David W. Fenton wrote:
> > The music on my screen is anti-aliased, because I have anti-aliasing
> > turned on in the OS. The only reason that I can see that Finale
> > wouldn't anti-alias is if you haven't turned on Windows "font
> > smoothing" (as they call it). Or are you saying that Finale does its
> > own anti-aliasing that is superior to the OS's anti-aliasing (I
> > thought anti-aliasing was something that Mac OS's had always
> > provided
> >  out of the box)? Can you provide some screenshots of this problem
> >  on Windows?
> 
> On the Mac the beams, hairpins and slurs are anti-aliased as well,
> which I believe is not the case on Windows. Windows display similar to
> Fin2k5 on Mac, where the fonts were antialiased (although badly,
> because they used Quickdraw instead of CoreGraphics).

You're right -- Windows anti-aliasing applies only to fonts, and the 
lines are not anti-aliased. I can see that this would be very helpful 
for slurs, in particular, as well as for exact editing of beams.

> The antialiasing on Mac in Fin2k6 is very beautiful in my opinion.
> 
> It's not a problem on Windows, it is an advantage on the Mac.
> 
> Check here:
> http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/macintosh.aspx
> 
> Also note that optionally stafflines and barlines can be antialiased,
> which some prefer, and some don't.

Well, it would depend on how that's done. I'd think you would want 
those kinds of lines to always be at least 1 onscreen pixel, so I'd 
think anti-aliasing wouldn't really help much.

I posted last week about Adobe Acrobat Reader 5 vs. 7, and the 
difference between the smoothing of lines (5 is vastly superior to 
7). Can anyone else confirm this, or is it some configuration problem 
with my system?

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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[David W. Fenton]

On 31 Aug 2005 at 15:00, Darcy James Argue wrote:

> Previous versions of Finale for Mac used QuickDraw, which is similar 
> to OS 9-style drawing. QuickDraw includes basic antialiasing, and 
> looks similar to ClearType on Windows.
> 
> But native OS X antialiasing -- called Quartz -- is *much* better 
> than QuickDraw or Windows ClearType. . . .

Windows ClearType is not the only anti-aliasing that Windows offers. 
It is, in fact, designed for LCD monitors (i.e., with square pixels), 
though it seems to improve anti-aliasing for some non-LCD monitors.

> . . . Finale 2006 is the first version 
> to take advantage of Quartz antialiasing (enabled by drawing the 
> screen using CoreGraphics instead of QuickDraw).

OK. What Johannes wrote sounded like there was *no* anti-aliasing, as 
opposed to simply *improved* anti-aliasing. I can see that it would 
be a nice thing to have better anti-aliasing, but it doesn't seem 
like much of a reason to upgrade. 

Of course, if it vastly improves the anti-aliasing of small font 
sizes, that might make it more compelling as a feature, since Finale 
is the kind of program where it's useful to see a lot on the screen 
at once (i.e., smaller magnification).

[]

> The best thing to do is just look at Finale 2006 on a Mac -- perhaps 
> NYU has Macs using Finale in its computer lab?

My department is entirely PC-based. Perhaps the composer lab has Macs 
-- I don't know.

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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 20:41 Uhr David W. Fenton wrote:
The music on my screen is anti-aliased, because I have anti-aliasing 
turned on in the OS. The only reason that I can see that Finale 
wouldn't anti-alias is if you haven't turned on Windows "font 
smoothing" (as they call it). Or are you saying that Finale does its 
own anti-aliasing that is superior to the OS's anti-aliasing (I 
thought anti-aliasing was something that Mac OS's had always provided

 out of the box)? Can you provide some screenshots of this problem on
 Windows?



On the Mac the beams, hairpins and slurs are anti-aliased as well, which 
I believe is not the case on Windows. Windows display similar to Fin2k5 
on Mac, where the fonts were antialiased (although badly, because they 
used Quickdraw instead of CoreGraphics).


The antialiasing on Mac in Fin2k6 is very beautiful in my opinion.

It's not a problem on Windows, it is an advantage on the Mac.

Check here:
http://www.finalemusic.com/finale/features/new/macintosh.aspx

Also note that optionally stafflines and barlines can be antialiased, 
which some prefer, and some don't.


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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Darcy James Argue]

David,

Previous versions of Finale for Mac used QuickDraw, which is similar  
to OS 9-style drawing. QuickDraw includes basic antialiasing, and  
looks similar to ClearType on Windows.


But native OS X antialiasing -- called Quartz -- is *much* better  
than QuickDraw or Windows ClearType. Finale 2006 is the first version  
to take advantage of Quartz antialiasing (enabled by drawing the  
screen using CoreGraphics instead of QuickDraw).


There is a "before" and "after" comparison on Coda's web site, but  
the "before" shot has antialiasing turned off completely, and the  
pictures are too small to give you a good idea of how much better  
Quartz is than QuickDraw or ClearType. (Here's the link anyway:)




The best thing to do is just look at Finale 2006 on a Mac -- perhaps  
NYU has Macs using Finale in its computer lab?


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On 31 Aug 2005, at 2:41 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


On 31 Aug 2005 at 19:59, Johannes Gebauer wrote:



Compared to 2k5 and any XP version you might like the anti-aliased
screen display on the Mac. Imo a real advantage of the Mac version
over the Win version.



???

The music on my screen is anti-aliased, because I have anti-aliasing
turned on in the OS. The only reason that I can see that Finale
wouldn't anti-alias is if you haven't turned on Windows "font
smoothing" (as they call it).

Or are you saying that Finale does its own anti-aliasing that is
superior to the OS's anti-aliasing (I thought anti-aliasing was
something that Mac OS's had always provided out of the box)? Can you
provide some screenshots of this problem on Windows?

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Re: [Finale] Lyrics lower curved ligatures for two syllables on same note

[David W. Fenton]

On 31 Aug 2005 at 14:32, Christopher Smith wrote:

> On Aug 31, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
> 
> > At 12:31 PM 08/31/2005, Harold Owen wrote:
> > >The character I use for the ligature in cases such as "e_il" is in
> > >the Toccata Font, lower base b.  
> >
> > There's also one in the Engraver font, uppercase I.
> 
> Thanks, both of you. As it turns out, I have the Engraver font, but
> not Toccata, so it works out.

Well, I would find the Engraver ligature unacceptable, because it 
messes up the baseline for the font, even when used at the same size 
as the text you are using. And, really, to be the correct size for 
text, it needs to be 24 points, or, at least, significantly larger 
than the text. 

The Toccata ligature is sized appropriately for use inline with text, 
so is much easier to use.

There's no reason for you to not have it, as it's a shareware font 
and can be downloaded for free here:

http://www.efn.org/~bch/AboutFonts.html

It has both Mac and Windows versions, so I see no reason why you 
shouldn't have it -- it (along with its companion, Fughetta) has got 
lots of useful symbols in it and was explicitly designed for use with 
Finale.

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Re: [Finale] Saving BUG?

[A-NO-NE Music]

ronan / 2005/08/31 / 02:39 PM wrote:

>I've been playing back F2006 with full GPO with no problems (minimal
>anyhow). However, I got a shock when I tried to save as midi-everything is
>crammed into the first 16 channels. This also happens when using Softsynths
>and "save as audio" is selected. It's as if the seven other "instances" of
>GPO, or Softsynth banks don't exist as far as the saving algorithms are
>concerned. Yikes! 


Is this an Win thing?
'Coz I have been exporting to SMF a lot with FinMac2006 with no problem
whatsoever.


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Re: [Finale] Hyphenated lyric going to 2nd ending

[Noel Stoutenburg]

Friend

Harold Owen wrote, of: the Windows combination, "ALT-0173"

We call it a "hard dash"  ,,, Unfortunately the hard dash is 
an em-dash (longer) rather than an en-dash like the lyric hyphens. 
It's the only work-around I now of.


but I would note that Windows fonts give three choices:  a "hard 
hyphen", on a windows machine, accessed  by holding the "Alt" key while 
pressing the digits "0173" on the keypad; an en-dash, accessed by 
holding the "Alt" key while pressing the digits "0150" on the numeric 
keypad, and an em-dash, accessed by holding the "Alt" key while pressing 
the digits "0151"  An en-dash is about twice the length of a hyphen, an 
em-dash is about three times the length of a hyphen.  Finale does not 
consider any of these three characters to be hyphens, and thus they do 
not invoke the "smart hyphens."


But I thought that now (since OS-9 or  OS-X) the character mapping in 
fonts is consistent with the character mapping in Windows; if this is 
true, then the glyph at position 173 (decimal) in a current MAC font set 
ought to be a hard-hyphen.  I don't have a MAC, so I can't tell if it 
is, or not.  Also, I don't know if there is any way to access a specific 
character using its ASCII code, or not, as there is with WIN.  If there 
is not, I can think of a couple of ways to get the hard-hyphen character 
to a position from which it can be copied into a Windows document.


ns



Hal


Just wanted to let everyone know I resolved, at least temporarily, my
problem with an "option hyphen" (sorry I don't know if there's an actual
name for that character) and several "option spaces".

If anyone has a better method of accomplishing this I'd still be 
interested

in hearing about it.

Thanks,

Don


on 8/30/05 10:26 PM, Don Hart at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi folks,

 Mac '05 - Is there any way to have a hyphenated lyric start before 
a first
 ending and wind up in a second ending *without* a string of hyphens 
running
 through the first ending?  I've messed with Smart Hyphen options 
but haven't

 come up with anything yet.

 TIA

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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[David W. Fenton]

On 31 Aug 2005 at 19:59, Johannes Gebauer wrote:

> Compared to 2k5 and any XP version you might like the anti-aliased
> screen display on the Mac. Imo a real advantage of the Mac version
> over the Win version.

???

The music on my screen is anti-aliased, because I have anti-aliasing 
turned on in the OS. The only reason that I can see that Finale 
wouldn't anti-alias is if you haven't turned on Windows "font 
smoothing" (as they call it).

Or are you saying that Finale does its own anti-aliasing that is 
superior to the OS's anti-aliasing (I thought anti-aliasing was 
something that Mac OS's had always provided out of the box)? Can you 
provide some screenshots of this problem on Windows?

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[Finale] Saving BUG?

[ronan]

Hi folks,

 

I’ve been playing back F2006 with full GPO with no
problems (minimal anyhow). However, I got a shock when I tried to save as midi—everything
is crammed into the first 16 channels. This also happens when using Softsynths
and “save as audio” is selected. It’s as if the seven other “instances”
of GPO, or Softsynth banks don’t exist as far as the saving algorithms
are concerned. Yikes! 

 

Ron

 

Finale 2006/full GPO

Win xp/pro, 2,6 GHz Pentium IV, 2 GB RAM

 

 (613) 272-3181

http://www.RonaldJBrown.com

 






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Re: [Finale] Lyrics lower curved ligatures for two syllables on same note

[Bruce K H Kau]

Enter a capital "I" (letter "eye"). Then change the font to "Engraver 
font set".



Christopher Smith wrote:

Hi all,

Sorry to bring this up again, but I can't find the thread where this was 
discussed last year. I remember Mark D. Lew had some intelligent things 
to say on the subject.


I thought one could use an underscore character from some other font as 
a curved ligature connecting two syllables on the same note. But Finale 
2005 treats that character as a word extension now, whereas it didn't 
behave that way the last time I needed to do this (I think it was back 
in 2002!)


What is the method now for entering

e_um

with the curved ligature? Do I have to enter a hard space and enter the 
ligature as a staff expression?


And my client tells me that

e'um

with the apostrophe is an accepted method of indicating the same thing. 
I have no knowledge of this. Is this the real deal? She is a singer, so 
I might trust her judgment on the ligature, but she consistently leaves 
beats out of measures, forgets accidentals and misnotates rhythms, so I 
have to take everything she says with a grain of salt.


Thanks a lot.

Christopher

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Re: [Finale] Lyrics lower curved ligatures for two syllables on same note

[David W. Fenton]

On 31 Aug 2005 at 13:30, Aaron Sherber wrote:

> At 12:31 PM 08/31/2005, Harold Owen wrote:
>  >The character I use for the ligature in cases such as "e_il" is in
>  >the Toccata Font, lower base b.  
> 
> There's also one in the Engraver font, uppercase I.

The Toccata one is far better, because its size is normal for text 
fonts, whereas the Engraver version is sized to be used at 24 points 
(as with the music characters).

Of course, I don't think it's actually a ligature, but a tie for 
creating suspended notes.

I had never known about the Toccata ligature, so I'm definitely going 
to use it in the future. I wish there was some way, though, to paste 
it into the edit lyrics window and maintain font formatting, but 
there isn't.

Since I use click assignment for lyrics, though, it shouldn't be too 
bad, as I do all the text entry at once, so can easily type the lower-
case b for the ligature as I'm going and quickly go back and change 
the font without it interrupting the flow.

However, for those who use type into score, it's not as easy an 
operation.

But, that's one of the reasons I prefer click assignment to type into 
score -- you don't have to repeatedly enter the same thing (imagine 
Ky-ri-e_e-lei-son, repeated 100 times).

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Re: [Finale] Lyrics lower curved ligatures for two syllables on same note

[Christopher Smith]

On Aug 31, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:


At 12:31 PM 08/31/2005, Harold Owen wrote:
>The character I use for the ligature in cases such as "e_il" is in
>the Toccata Font, lower base b. 

There's also one in the Engraver font, uppercase I.



Thanks, both of you. As it turns out, I have the Engraver font, but not 
Toccata, so it works out.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2007 - Wishlist

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 18:16 Uhr ronan wrote:
One thing I have been asking for for years is improved handling of 
multiple time signatures. Right now the only option is that Finale 
"decides" to accept one staff as the main timekeeper, then adjusts 
all other staves so that the bar lines all line up. In other words, a
 1/4 note in 3/4 time is longer than a 1/4 note in a simultaneous 
measure of 4/4 time. What I need: 1) an option to make 1/4 notes 
equal in length in all staves, regardless of the time signatures. (In
 other words, staggered bar lines). 2) An option to have measures 
equal in length, but I get to choose which staff will be the 
"master."


It is sort of possible now with invisible barlines. I guess one solution 
would be a relatively simple plugin which will make bar lines invisible 
automatically. I doubt that Finale will ever support this natively, 
simply because of the way Finale is designed.


The workaround does work, I have used it in the past, but requires some 
extra steps.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006 still not Unicode

[A-NO-NE Music]

Morris Inouye / 2005/08/31 / 11:54 AM wrote:

>Really? (Finale has got to be one of the last hold-outs [in an increasingly 
>small group of non-internationalized software producers].) Is Finale limited 
>to western European languages, then? (ISO-8859-1/ISO-8859-15 or Win-1252 
>encodings?) 


Yup, CP1252 on Win and MacRoman on Mac.
This thing bit me hard when I had to do a lot of Brazilian songs
arrangement last week :-<

Unicode compatibility on Finale, to my guess, isn't easy.  Another
reason Finale needs extensive overhaul or rewrite from the ground up
like they did with v3.

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Re: [Finale] Lyrics lower curved ligatures for two syllables on same note

[Aaron Sherber]

At 12:31 PM 08/31/2005, Harold Owen wrote:
>The character I use for the ligature in cases such as "e_il" is in
>the Toccata Font, lower base b. 

There's also one in the Engraver font, uppercase I.

Aaron.

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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 19:08 Uhr Eric Dannewitz wrote:
I have no clue what it is. I have GPO installed, but generally none 
of the scores/sheets are using it. Finale will crash randomly after a

 while, when I go to print something.



I assume you have done all the usual maintenance, like checking permissions?

If so, you should definitely send the crash log to MacSupport.

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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 18:17 Uhr Brad Beyenhof wrote:
In a blank document it's not too bad (1/4 to 1/2 second), but in a 
medium-sized concert band score it's up to a second of delay with 
*every* action. Any more suggestions? Has anybody hit this sort of 
lag in Tiger? Has anybody *not* hit this sort of lag in Panther? I'd 
like to find out what's different between my machine and the machines
 that are running 2k6 without problems, and I suspect it's probably 
the OS version that's the problem.




As far as I can tell the delay is mostly gone *only* in small scores 
(once you have deleted the plist file) but still very noticable in 
larger documents (and I work with documents between 30 and 60 pages at 
the moment, where the delay is definitely there).


I don't think there is a real fix, though I would love to hear there was.

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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 17:43 Uhr Morris Inouye wrote:
Although many indicate that it is trustable, there are enough 
problems that I think I will probably give Sibelius a try (and maybe 
install the 2006 upgrade on my WinXP box).




I see no reason why you shouldn't install Fin2k6 on your Mac and try it 
out for yourself. Just make sure you run the Installer Fix first 
(available at the Finale website I believe).


Compared to 2k5 and any XP version you might like the anti-aliased 
screen display on the Mac. Imo a real advantage of the Mac version over 
the Win version.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006 still not Unicode

[Phil Daley]

There are 2 levels of compliance with international support:
MBCS and Unicode.
MBCS supports all Asian, Eastern European, etc. languages.
I would be surprised if Finale is only ANSI based.
The differences between MBCS and Unicode support are subtle, but a
complaint usually means that it doesn't play well with other Unicode
apps.

At 8/31/2005 11:54 AM, Morris Inouye wrote:
  
On 8/31/05, Nomos Alpha
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear all,
Finale 2006 is still not Unicode compliant.
Really? (Finale has got to be one of the last hold-outs [in an increasingly small group of non-internationalized software producers].) Is Finale limited to western European languages, then? (ISO-8859-1/ISO-8859-15 or Win-1252 encodings?) 
Just curious.
(P.S. I wonder. Is Sibelius Unicode-based?)


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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Eric Dannewitz]

I have no clue what it is. I have GPO installed, but generally none of 
the scores/sheets are using it. Finale will crash randomly after a 
while, when I go to print something.




Johannes Gebauer wrote:



Really? I have been using Finale 2k6 heavily over the last few weeks 
and it has not crashed at all (perhaps once).


Seems like this is a specific problem with your setup.

I haven't been using GPO much, perhaps this is the problem?

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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Brad Beyenhof]

On 8/31/05, Harold Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It is nice to have EPS working - but since Finale 2004 the only
> choice for preview is PICT, which looks very poor on screen. Printout
> is fine. I will be making a request to Coda (MakeMusic) to allow for
> bitmap preview. That way the screen image will be as good as the
> original Finale screen image.

But I thought PICT was just a Macintosh bitmap format...

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Re: [Finale] Lyrics lower curved ligatures for two syllables on same note

[Harold Owen]

Dear Christopher,

The character I use for the ligature in cases such as "e_il" is in 
the Toccata Font, lower base b. If you are using Type Into Score you 
can enter a b, then go to the Edit Lyrics box and change the font to 
Toccata.


Hal


Hi all,

Sorry to bring this up again, but I can't find the thread where this 
was discussed last year. I remember Mark D. Lew had some intelligent 
things to say on the subject.


I thought one could use an underscore character from some other font 
as a curved ligature connecting two syllables on the same note. But 
Finale 2005 treats that character as a word extension now, whereas 
it didn't behave that way the last time I needed to do this (I think 
it was back in 2002!)


What is the method now for entering

e_um

with the curved ligature? Do I have to enter a hard space and enter 
the ligature as a staff expression?


And my client tells me that

e'um

with the apostrophe is an accepted method of indicating the same 
thing. I have no knowledge of this. Is this the real deal? She is a 
singer, so I might trust her judgment on the ligature, but she 
consistently leaves beats out of measures, forgets accidentals and 
misnotates rhythms, so I have to take everything she says with a 
grain of salt.


Thanks a lot.

Christopher

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006 still not Unicode

[Nomos Alpha]

I don´t know the details. But the fact is that I can not include and
under-tie sign that I deadly needs for the ligatures found in the all
Spanish lyrics.

The lyrics window does not accept Unicode symbols at all.

Javier Ruiz.


> On 8/31/05, Nomos Alpha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> Finale 2006 is still not Unicode compliant.
> 
> 
> Really? (Finale has got to be one of the last hold-outs [in an increasingly
> small group of non-internationalized software producers].) Is Finale limited
> to western European languages, then? (ISO-8859-1/ISO-8859-15 or Win-1252
> encodings?) 
> 
> Just curious.
> 
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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Harold Owen]

Regarding FinMac2k6:

I'm on a Mac G4, 800 Mhz, with 1 Gig. RAM. When I'm working on a 
large score with many instruments, I select SoftSynth in the MIDI 
Window to begin with. It's good enough for editing, and it doesn't 
slow down operations. Then when everything else is done I switch to 
GPO and load the instruments. I can use absolutely dry room 
acoustics, then add reverb with another application later when I make 
an audio file. If I do open the Ambience dialog box, I dial the 
"Quallity/cpu" down below 50%. This greatly reduces any clicks and 
stuttering in playback.


It is nice to have EPS working - but since Finale 2004 the only 
choice for preview is PICT, which looks very poor on screen. Printout 
is fine. I will be making a request to Coda (MakeMusic) to allow for 
bitmap preview. That way the screen image will be as good as the 
original Finale screen image.


Hal


Another thing:

Mac OS X becomes *very* slow when it gets low on physical memory, so 
if you have many GPO instruments loaded, Finale performance -- as 
well as performance in any other currently open OS X app -- tanks. 
On large orchestral scores with many GPO instruments loaded, I 
sometimes get into a situation where even selecting a different 
measure in Mass Edit brings up the "spinning beach ball" for up to 
15 seconds, and choosing "Print" from the "File" menu brings the 
entire computer to a grinding halt. It actually appears to hang for 
two minutes or more, unable to switch apps or even pop up the Dock, 
before the "Print" dialog box *finally* appears.


I have asked Coda to PLEASE implement a program option to "Load 
AU/VST instruments only when needed," as well as a "Load/Unload 
AU/VST instruments" menu item -- this would help tremendously. In my 
experience, almost all of the performance issues with Fin2006 are 
GPO-related. Dump the GPO instruments, and Fin2006 flies. Load up a 
full orchestra's worth of GPO instruments, and be prepared to wait.


Unfortunately, turning off "Play Finale through Native Instruments 
AU/VST" doesn't actually free up the memory previously used by the 
GPO instruments, so sadly that feature doesn't help as much as it 
should.  A proper "Unload AU/VST instruments" option would actually 
free up that RAM, restoring performance to Finale. "Load AU/VST 
instruments" would be a one-step solution to load your most recently 
used GPO setup -- which would make things slow again so long as the 
GPO instruments are locked in memory, but still useful if you Load 
AU/VST instruments before playback and unload them immediately 
afterwards.


If you think these ideas have merit, please email 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and let 
them know. I *really* hope this system is implemented for 
maintenance, as the current system is extremely impractical.


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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Brad Beyenhof]

On 8/30/05, I wrote:

> My problems with 2k6 occur even when no GPO instruments are loaded,
> though. I've got a memory usage meter (CompactMemory in Konfabulator),
> and I can't remember it ever going above 60% or so, even when the lag
> is worst.
> 
> I'll check again tomorrow when I'm in the office, though. I may be
> remembering my memory usage incorrectly.

I quit *everything* except for Finale (well, everything in the Dock,
anyway... background things like Quicksilver, Konfabulator, and the
underlying OS stuff were still running), deleted the .plist Darcy
mentioned, and I still have unusable lag with dragging and selecting
in 2k6.

In a blank document it's not too bad (1/4 to 1/2 second), but in a
medium-sized concert band score it's up to a second of delay with
*every* action. Any more suggestions? Has anybody hit this sort of lag
in Tiger? Has anybody *not* hit this sort of lag in Panther? I'd like
to find out what's different between my machine and the machines that
are running 2k6 without problems, and I suspect it's probably the OS
version that's the problem.

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RE: [Finale] Finale 2007 - Wishlist

[ronan]

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Gnos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: August 30, 2005 2:13 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Finale 2007 - Wishlist

Hi all,

now we got Finale 2006, we could begin to find out what we think we need in 
the next version or an update.
...
I'm sure you have also wishes and priorities. Why not share them? And why 
not, finally - ask Coda/MakeMusic to make them true?

cheers

Kurt

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One thing I have been asking for for years is improved handling of multiple
time signatures. Right now the only option is that Finale "decides" to
accept one staff as the main timekeeper, then adjusts all other staves so
that the bar lines all line up. In other words, a 1/4 note in 3/4 time is
longer than a 1/4 note in a simultaneous measure of 4/4 time.

What I need: 1) an option to make 1/4 notes equal in length in all staves,
regardless of the time signatures. (In other words, staggered bar lines).
2) An option to have measures equal in length, but I get to choose which
staff will be the "master."

(I have asked MM several times for this.)

Best,
Ron



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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Morris Inouye]

Thanks, everyone, for your feedback!!

Although many indicate that it is trustable, there are enough problems
that I think I will probably give Sibelius a try (and maybe install the
2006 upgrade on my WinXP box).

BTW, OS X *rocks* as a platform. My reasons for feeling this way are
probably quite different most of yours: My "day job" is as a software
engineer for a large ISP that hosts thousands of domains on FreeBSD
servers. Last night I experienced first hand what I had heard
rumored--OS X is an incredible FreeBSD platform (using Terminal
windows) that has *all* the capabilities of any of the servers I work
with every day! I hear Open Source advocates arguing about whether KDE
is better than Gnome. Heck, OS X is light years ahead of either of
those!

Sorry for the off-tangent post! My new iBook (1.3 GHZ, 80 GB hard
drive, 1.5GB RAM, Air port, Blue Tooth, etc.) has got to be my most
exciting computer purchase to date.

I'd better get back to work ... (and thanks again for the responses!)

Morris
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Re: [Finale] Hyphenated lyric going to 2nd ending

[Harold Owen]

Don,

We call it a "hard dash" and the spaces "hard spaces" when you use 
the Option Key when you enter them. Unfortunately the hard dash is an 
em-dash (longer) rather than an en-dash like the lyric hyphens. It's 
the only work-around I now of.


Hal


Just wanted to let everyone know I resolved, at least temporarily, my
problem with an "option hyphen" (sorry I don't know if there's an actual
name for that character) and several "option spaces".

If anyone has a better method of accomplishing this I'd still be interested
in hearing about it.

Thanks,

Don


on 8/30/05 10:26 PM, Don Hart at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Hi folks,

 Mac '05 - Is there any way to have a hyphenated lyric start before a first
 ending and wind up in a second ending *without* a string of hyphens running
 through the first ending?  I've messed with Smart Hyphen options but haven't
 come up with anything yet.

 TIA

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[Finale] Delete a particular (measure) expression?

[Johannes Gebauer]

Is there a way to delete a particular (measure) expression from a mass
edit selection?

Johannes


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2006 still not Unicode

[Morris Inouye]

On 8/31/05, Nomos Alpha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dear all,Finale 2006 is still not Unicode compliant.
Really? (Finale has got to be one of the last hold-outs [in an
increasingly small group of non-internationalized software producers].)
Is Finale limited to western European languages, then?
(ISO-8859-1/ISO-8859-15 or Win-1252 encodings?) 

Just curious.

(P.S. I wonder. Is Sibelius Unicode-based?)

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[Finale] Finale 2006 still not Unicode

[Nomos Alpha]

Dear all,
Finale 2006 is still not Unicode compliant.

Saludos, Javier.


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Re: [Finale] EPS export screwing some smart shapes in 2006

[Nomos Alpha]

Hola Eric and all,

Unfortunately I can confirm that EPS exporting is not working well. I did an
example with a dashed slur. When exporting a selection to EPS the dashed
slur disappeared ccompletely, when exporting the full page the dahsed line
became solid.

I have to prepare 600 examples for a book now, and I am afraid I will have
to do them in Finale 2004...

My system is a G4 with Mac OS X 10.3.9 (clean installed).

I´ll have to try now in the iMac G5...

Sigh...

Javier Ruiz


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[Finale] Lyrics lower curved ligatures for two syllables on same note

[Christopher Smith]

Hi all,

Sorry to bring this up again, but I can't find the thread where this 
was discussed last year. I remember Mark D. Lew had some intelligent 
things to say on the subject.


I thought one could use an underscore character from some other font as 
a curved ligature connecting two syllables on the same note. But Finale 
2005 treats that character as a word extension now, whereas it didn't 
behave that way the last time I needed to do this (I think it was back 
in 2002!)


What is the method now for entering

e_um

with the curved ligature? Do I have to enter a hard space and enter the 
ligature as a staff expression?


And my client tells me that

e'um

with the apostrophe is an accepted method of indicating the same thing. 
I have no knowledge of this. Is this the real deal? She is a singer, so 
I might trust her judgment on the ligature, but she consistently leaves 
beats out of measures, forgets accidentals and misnotates rhythms, so I 
have to take everything she says with a grain of salt.


Thanks a lot.

Christopher

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RE: [Finale] OT: Guitar MIDI Controller

[Stu McIntire]

> Thanks very much for the offer.  If it's not too much trouble, I would
> be interested to hear how it functions with hyperscribe.
> 
> Do you find the MIDI data to be accurate?  I would imagine things like
> tuning, etc. would become much more of a problem versus a keyboard-based
> controller.

Scott, I'll do it tonight, and get back to you with the results and some
comments about the accuracy, tuning, etc., tomorrow.  

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Re: [Finale] Hyphenated lyric going to 2nd ending

[Don Hart]

Hi Christopher,  

I'm not an engraver; I don't even play one on TV.  :-)

And this isn't a typesetting job so I'm in pretty good shape for now.  I do
appreciate the information, though.

Don




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> Cecil was giving you the PC version of the solution you had found
> yourself. As far as I can tell, alt-073 on a PC is like the option-dash
> on the Mac (I think they are called n-dashes, so named because they are
> as wide as the letter n. Opt-shift-dash I think is an m-dash). Not
> exactly the same character as the hyphen, but close enough for many
> purposes. Engravers don't like it, and will put in the missing hyphen
> as a staff expression instead.
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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Christopher Smith]

On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:24 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote:


On 2:54 Uhr Eric Dussault wrote:
I you don't need eps (there broken until MM fixes it, but it's 
unlikely you will need it if you were on Win XP)) and have a powerful
 Mac will at least 1 GB of ram if you need GPO, then it may be ok to 
work with the mac version.


What is the exacty problem with EPS?

(It is perfectly fine to use Finale on a Mac with less than a GB if 
you don't plan on using GPO.)




Smart Shapes do not appear correctly in EPS on Mac, starting in 2006. 
Eric checked that with us a week or so ago, and it was confirmed by all 
who tried it.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Hyphenated lyric going to 2nd ending

[Christopher Smith]

On Aug 31, 2005, at 1:15 AM, Don Hart wrote:

Thanks Cecil, but I'm on finmac '05 and I'm not sure of the equivalent 
to
your instructions on a mac, or even if there actually is an equivalent 
in

this case. - Don


on 8/30/05 11:49 PM, Cecil Rigby at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


assuming Win platform.

type in the lyric for the first ending normally.

when you get to the note that will contain the second ending's 
syllable type

alt-0173 and the next syllable.



Cecil was giving you the PC version of the solution you had found 
yourself. As far as I can tell, alt-073 on a PC is like the option-dash 
on the Mac (I think they are called n-dashes, so named because they are 
as wide as the letter n. Opt-shift-dash I think is an m-dash). Not 
exactly the same character as the hyphen, but close enough for many 
purposes. Engravers don't like it, and will put in the missing hyphen 
as a staff expression instead.


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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am I correct that only dotted slurs and similar smart shapes are 
affected by this bug? I am not trying to make it look less serious, it 
is serious, but I am trying to work out whether it will be a problem for 
me...


Johannes

Eric Dussault schrieb:

see this thread:

http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=125732

I've posted on this list a similar topic, but only Simon Troup and  
Harold Howen have responded.


Éric Dussault

Le 05-08-31 à 03:24, Johannes Gebauer a écrit :


On 2:54 Uhr Eric Dussault wrote:

I you don't need eps (there broken until MM fixes it, but it's  
unlikely you will need it if you were on Win XP)) and have a powerful
 Mac will at least 1 GB of ram if you need GPO, then it may be ok  to 
work with the mac version.




What is the exacty problem with EPS?






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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Eric Dussault]

see this thread:

http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=6&m=125732

I've posted on this list a similar topic, but only Simon Troup and  
Harold Howen have responded.


Éric Dussault

Le 05-08-31 à 03:24, Johannes Gebauer a écrit :


On 2:54 Uhr Eric Dussault wrote:

I you don't need eps (there broken until MM fixes it, but it's  
unlikely you will need it if you were on Win XP)) and have a powerful
 Mac will at least 1 GB of ram if you need GPO, then it may be ok  
to work with the mac version.




What is the exacty problem with EPS?





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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

Performance drop maybe, but only if you are using GPO, as far as I can 
see. I am not using it, and I am fine.


Johannes

Eric Dannewitz schrieb:
Powerful as in a dual G5? Yeah. For those who were using 2005 with a G4, 
and getting stuff done, switching to 2006 results in a huge performance 
drop.


Hopefully there is a 2006a coming

Eric Dussault wrote:

I you don't need eps (there broken until MM fixes it, but it's  
unlikely you will need it if you were on Win XP)) and have a powerful  
Mac will at least 1 GB of ram if you need GPO, then it may be ok to  
work with the mac version.


Éric Dussault





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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

Eric Dannewitz schrieb:
Finale 2006 crashes a LOT for me under Tiger. While printing. Totally 
recommend you wait until there is a patch or something


Really? I have been using Finale 2k6 heavily over the last few weeks and 
it has not crashed at all (perhaps once).


Seems like this is a specific problem with your setup.

I haven't been using GPO much, perhaps this is the problem?

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Re: [Finale] Is Finale 2006 "trustable" for Mac yet?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 2:54 Uhr Eric Dussault wrote:
I you don't need eps (there broken until MM fixes it, but it's 
unlikely you will need it if you were on Win XP)) and have a powerful
 Mac will at least 1 GB of ram if you need GPO, then it may be ok to 
work with the mac version.




What is the exacty problem with EPS?

(It is perfectly fine to use Finale on a Mac with less than a GB if you 
don't plan on using GPO.)


Johannes
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Re: [Finale] OT: Guitar MIDI Controller

[Scott Amort]

Hi Stu,

Thanks very much for the offer.  If it's not too much trouble, I would 
be interested to hear how it functions with hyperscribe.


Do you find the MIDI data to be accurate?  I would imagine things like 
tuning, etc. would become much more of a problem versus a keyboard-based 
controller.


Thanks again,
Scott

Stu McIntire wrote:


Scott, I do everything in Finale with a midi keyboard, but I have a guitar
controller and use an earlier Roland module.  The guitar controller works
fine with my sequencer and other hardware synths.  Since midi data is a
universal standard, once the data is formatted and transmitted down a midi
cable, I would think that whatever receives and uses that data would be
agnostic about its origin, including Reason and Finale.  I could try it with
Finale tonight and let you know how it works, if you like.  


Stu

 


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Of Scott Amort
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:02 PM
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Subject: [Finale] OT: Guitar MIDI Controller

Hi All,

Sorry for the off-topic post, but I thought someone on list may have
some knowledge about MIDI controllers.  Specifically, I have a client
interested in using a guitar-based controller, like the Roland GI-20
(http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=6&subcatid=0&prodid=GI
-20).
I don't use MIDI very much at all, so I wasn't able to offer much
advice.  He intends to use it with some sequencing software (Reason) and
notation software (i.e. hyperscribe with Finale) as both a means to
input music, as well as a MIDI controller.  Does anyone on list have any
experience with this particular piece of equipment, or the notion of
guitar-based MIDI controllers in general?  My advice to him was to learn
to play the piano, but he wasn't too keen on that!

Best,
Scott

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