Re: [Finale] Text Blocks in the Right Place

[Jonathan Smith]

Hold down Alt-Ctrl and click on an expression, it shows the note
it's attached to.



How cool is that?


Not very cool. I almost never use it. I want to see what's hooked  
to what,
not go clicking everywhere and guessing. When I move a note with  
special

tools, I want to see what's attached first, not have to reprint a page
because something moved somewhere. I want a view that shows the
associations. Graphire had it since the beginning, and it was one  
of the

features that made the program so easy to use.


Then attach them as measure espressions then they will stay in place  
if you move the notes around. At least finale gives you the chance to  
colour items so you can see what is what.


Sibelius has this lasso feature, little dotted lines everywhere -  
each to their own, I think it just clutters up the screen, can't see  
the wood for the trees.


What is interesting though is that you can see the little lines  
stretching as you drag an exp. or text across the page and then when  
they get to long... they jump over and attach to another note in the  
next measure, which of course plays havoc in part layouts - call that  
a feature?


Jonathan
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Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout

[Jonathan Smith]

am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized  
out of piano solo passsages?


No, they should be optimised out. Singers don't need to read blank  
measures rest, they'll follow the piano part easily + saves space on  
the page.


Jonathan 
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Re: [Finale] known audio playback bug in Finale 2008

[A-NO-NE Music]

Williams, Jim / 2007/07/30 / 04:49 PM wrote:

>I assume CA=Core Audio, so this is a Mac-only issue, yes?

Yes.  Sorry about that.

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Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout

[Raymond Horton]

On 30 Jul 2007 at 15:13, John Howell wrote:
  

At 2:40 PM +0200 7/30/07, shirling & neueweise wrote:


am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized out
of piano solo passsages?
  

I often do, to save pages.  ...  A
commercially published octavo generally would not.



Depends on the publisher, I suppose.  I see many church anthems, and a 
great many _do_ optimize away the the vocal lines on piano solo 
passages.   Many publishers will do anything to cut down on pages, 
including D.S. - Codas that save only 8 measures of print. 



Just make the piano only system is very clear on the page.  Sometimes 
those systems get skipped in rehearsal (or even worse, performance!)



Raymond Horton
Minister of Music
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church


(Sorry if part of this message repeats.  Finale bounced back an earlier 
reply from a different email address. )

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Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout

[shirling & neueweise]

thanks. feel free to send it to me privately.

cheers,
jef


At 2:40 PM +0200 7/30/07, shirling & neueweise wrote:
am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized 
out of piano solo passsages?


I often do, to save pages.  (The example I tried to send as an email 
attachment was apparently denied because the pdf was too large.)  A 
commercially published octavo generally would not.


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RE: [Finale] known audio playback bug in Finale 2008

[Williams, Jim]

I assume CA=Core Audio, so this is a Mac-only issue, yes?
Jim



From: A-NO-NE Music
Sent: Mon 30-Jul-07 14:44
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] known audio playback bug in Finale 2008


Bob Shuster / 2007/07/30 / 01:55 PM wrote:

>After updating to Finale 2007 (I described my system) I find I no  
>longer have right channel audio output in several situations within  
>Finale.

You mean 2008.
I have reported it here as soon as 2008 came out, and MM! has
acknowledged the bug.  The bug is specific to CA mono stream, that
Finale falsely assumes target CA device is a single stream device.  Mac
built-in and inexpensive audio hardware are designed as single stream
device, while prosumer devices follows CA spec, which is multi stream
per channel.

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Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout

[Noel Stoutenburg]

shirling & neueweise wrote:
am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized out 
of piano solo passsages?
Traditionally, this depended upon particulars of the music, and 
publisher. Some UK publishers routinely optimized out choral lines; 
Parry's "I was glad" has a full page of two stave organ introductory 
material before the chorus enters. In other cases, for example, 
Ireland's "Greater love hath no man", has about a page and a half of 
three staff systems in the middle, where there is a soprano solo 
followed by a baritone one, during which the choir is silent. It also 
varied depending upon whether the item was in a larger collection, or 
published separately. The Oxford /Church Anthem Book/ frequently has the 
accompaniment introduction on a grand staff, adding staves for the voice 
lines at beginning of the system where each makes its entrance. The 
exact same arrangment, published as an octavo, has a different layout, 
less frugal with space.


ns
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Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout

[David W. Fenton]

On 30 Jul 2007 at 15:13, John Howell wrote:

> At 2:40 PM +0200 7/30/07, shirling & neueweise wrote:
> >am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized out
> >of piano solo passsages?
> 
> I often do, to save pages.  (The example I tried to send as an email
> attachment was apparently denied because the pdf was too large.)  A
> commercially published octavo generally would not.

It might not have been rejected because of size, but because of spam 
filters -- in the last two months, PDF attachments have become a 
major feature of spam/email Trojans, somewhat replacing the attached 
GIF spam (though not completely).

For some reason, my spam has dropped vastly in the last few months. 
When I went to train my SpamAssassain filters last week, I had half 
as much spam as ham ("ham" is the good email that you use to tell SA 
what the mail you want to receive looks like -- I use my deleted mail 
folder for that purpose), when in the past it's been the other way 
around (twice as much spam as ham). That means my incoming spam is 
close to 25% what it once was. I just found a MAILTO on one of my web 
pages the other day that still had my old email address encoded in it 
(though URL-encoded, I don't think many of the spam email address 
harvestors are fooled by that any more), and I just removed it. Maybe 
I'll see even further reduction in spam!

If that happens, it also means that it's possible over time to 
cleanse compromised email addresses, as long as you completely remove 
all clear-text or URL-encoded references to them. Sadly, I can never 
do that, as there are still Usenet posts in Google Groups' archives 
that include my old addresses in plain text (addresses that date back 
to 1996, when spam was a very minor problem compared to today).

Back to your problem: I would zip up PDFs these days, or just put 
them on my website and send a URL.

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Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout

[John Howell]

At 2:40 PM +0200 7/30/07, shirling & neueweise wrote:
am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized 
out of piano solo passsages?


I often do, to save pages.  (The example I tried to send as an email 
attachment was apparently denied because the pdf was too large.)  A 
commercially published octavo generally would not.


John


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Re: [Finale] known audio playback bug in Finale 2008

[A-NO-NE Music]

Bob Shuster / 2007/07/30 / 01:55 PM wrote:

>After updating to Finale 2007 (I described my system) I find I no  
>longer have right channel audio output in several situations within  
>Finale.

You mean 2008.
I have reported it here as soon as 2008 came out, and MM! has
acknowledged the bug.  The bug is specific to CA mono stream, that
Finale falsely assumes target CA device is a single stream device.  Mac
built-in and inexpensive audio hardware are designed as single stream
device, while prosumer devices follows CA spec, which is multi stream
per channel.

-- 

- Hiro

Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA
 


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Re: [Finale] Text Blocks in the Right Place

[John Howell]

At 8:57 PM -0400 7/29/07, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

At 05:25 PM 7/29/2007 -0700, Dick Hauser wrote:


On Jul 28, 2007, at 11:43 PM, Jonathan Smith wrote:

 Hold down Alt-Ctrl and click on an expression, it shows the note 
 it's attached to.




How cool is that?


Not very cool. I almost never use it. I want to see what's hooked to what,
not go clicking everywhere and guessing. When I move a note with special
tools, I want to see what's attached first, not have to reprint a page
because something moved somewhere. I want a view that shows the
associations. Graphire had it since the beginning, and it was one of the
features that made the program so easy to use.

Dennis


Just a comment, not an argument:  Sibelius does that automatically. 
At first I couldn't see the value, but now I'm beginning to 
appreciate it.  In Mosaic there wasn't even a way to make sure that a 
dynamic marking was attached to the staff you wanted it on.


John


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[Finale] known audio playback bug in Finale 2008

[Bob Shuster]

Just an FYI note.

I recently updated to Finale 2008 for my Intel Mac.  I sent the  
following bug report to MakeMusic:


After updating to Finale 2007 (I described my system) I find I no  
longer have right channel audio output in several situations within  
Finale.  I do have full left and right channel output from anything  
external to Finale, including normal QuickTime player playback,  
Kontakt 2 or Kontakt Player 2 output, Logic Pro output or anything else.


The problem only occurs when playing back within Finale, in the  
following circumstances:


Using "Play Finale Through MIDI" and selecting SmartMusic SoftSynth  
Playback
Using "Play Finale Through Audio Units" and selecting any method  
(including Kontakt2, KontaktPlayer2, and SmartMusicSoftSynth)


The problem does *not* however occur when using QuickTime Playback -  
in that case both channels play as expected.


I have messed with every possible setting that I am aware of within  
Finale and the respective Kontakt and SmartMusic players - to no  
avail. I did not have this problem before updating to Finale 2008  
(from 2007 on the same computer.)


This is *quite* annoying to say the least, and severely limits my  
ability to use Finale. Your help would be most appreciated.



Their response:

This is a known issue at this time. Our developers are aware of this  
and working on a fix for this issue. Thank you for reporting this.



So if you were tearing your hair out over this (I was for several  
hours) - don't bother!  Hopefully this fix will come quicker than  
many other outstanding bugs...   :(I don't know if this affects  
only Mac or only Intel Mac, but it was definitely new to Finale 2008.


- Bob Shuster
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Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout

[dhbailey]

shirling & neueweise wrote:


am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized out of 
piano solo passsages?





I see no problem with optimizing out when *all* the choral parts are 
silent and have seen some choral music where there are several systems 
of just piano part with no chorus showing.


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Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout

[shirling & neueweise]

am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized out 
of piano solo passsages?


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Re: [Finale] O.T. 2 Questions: Repeat Menuet markings; and blankspace on pages...

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 30.07.2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The one that occurs to me is "D. C. Menuetto senza repetizioni al fine." I
don't know if this pertains to a particular time period or not.


As far as we know the da capos in the baroque period included repeats, 
unless otherwise indicated. Even Mozart and Haydn and early Beethoven 
always indicate "senza repetitioni" or similar when they don't want 
repeats in the da capo.


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Re: [Finale] O.T. 2 Questions: Repeat Menuet markings; and blankspace on pages...

[ARABUSHK]

The one that occurs to me is "D. C. Menuetto senza repetizioni al fine." I
don't know if this pertains to a particular time period or not.

> Kim Patrick Clow wrote:
>> 1. How do the large publishers mark a repeat for a Menuet?
>>
>> My editor typically will place "Repeat Menuet 1." At the end of a two
>> section menuet (it's usually labeled "Menuet e alternativ." in the
>> manuscript sources.  Would "Da Capo Menuet 1" sufice or just "Da
>> Capo."  Is using "Repeat Menuet 1" not OK? I only ask because a friend
>> who is anal rententive about these things, suggested to me "Repeat
>> Menuet 1" is just not the way to do these things. Is my friend being a
>> bit to anal retentive?
>>
>
> I have seen D.C., assuming no separate title for Menuet 2, and I have
> seen Menuet 1 Da Capo (or D.C.)
>
> But I have never seen "Repeat Menuet 1."
>
> Your friend is being traditional.
>
>
>>
>> 2. I have an irksome movement, that once I reformat, will leave blank
>> space on the bottom 1/3 of a right page. I can't really make the other
>> movments "work" to get rid of this blank space on the page. Is having
>> such blank space a music  graving "faux pas?"
>
> If the blank space is because of your desire to begin the next movement
> at the start of the next page, I see no reason to worry about that blank
> space.
>
> If it occurs for some reason in the middle of a movement, I would
> rethink the spacing issues and perhaps the staff size so as to make it
> less obvious.
>
>
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Re: [Finale] O.T. 2 Questions: Repeat Menuet markings; and blank space on pages...

[dhbailey]

Kim Patrick Clow wrote:

1. How do the large publishers mark a repeat for a Menuet?

My editor typically will place "Repeat Menuet 1." At the end of a two
section menuet (it's usually labeled "Menuet e alternativ." in the
manuscript sources.  Would "Da Capo Menuet 1" sufice or just "Da
Capo."  Is using "Repeat Menuet 1" not OK? I only ask because a friend
who is anal rententive about these things, suggested to me "Repeat
Menuet 1" is just not the way to do these things. Is my friend being a
bit to anal retentive?



I have seen D.C., assuming no separate title for Menuet 2, and I have 
seen Menuet 1 Da Capo (or D.C.)


But I have never seen "Repeat Menuet 1."

Your friend is being traditional.




2. I have an irksome movement, that once I reformat, will leave blank
space on the bottom 1/3 of a right page. I can't really make the other
movments "work" to get rid of this blank space on the page. Is having
such blank space a music  graving "faux pas?"


If the blank space is because of your desire to begin the next movement 
at the start of the next page, I see no reason to worry about that blank 
space.


If it occurs for some reason in the middle of a movement, I would 
rethink the spacing issues and perhaps the staff size so as to make it 
less obvious.



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[Finale] O.T. 2 Questions: Repeat Menuet markings; and blank space on pages...

[Kim Patrick Clow]

1. How do the large publishers mark a repeat for a Menuet?

My editor typically will place "Repeat Menuet 1." At the end of a two
section menuet (it's usually labeled "Menuet e alternativ." in the
manuscript sources.  Would "Da Capo Menuet 1" sufice or just "Da
Capo."  Is using "Repeat Menuet 1" not OK? I only ask because a friend
who is anal rententive about these things, suggested to me "Repeat
Menuet 1" is just not the way to do these things. Is my friend being a
bit to anal retentive?


2. I have an irksome movement, that once I reformat, will leave blank
space on the bottom 1/3 of a right page. I can't really make the other
movments "work" to get rid of this blank space on the page. Is having
such blank space a music  graving "faux pas?"

Thank you very much
Kim
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