Re: [Finale] tie end missing
It was a choral piece with some strange splits, and if I had changed that note then I would have had to have changed the lyric assignment, which would have meant hyphens repeating (earlier version of Finale) and extension lines either not occurring or needlessly occurring, and I would have had to have adjusted stem directions and intervals of a second manually. The way I did it I only had one thing to keep track of... Christopher On Apr 5, 2008, at 8:11 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Any reason you couldn't have just moved those eight tied whole notes to the same layer as the first note in the tie chain? On 5 Apr 2008, at 7:56 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yes I had gathered that it only causes trouble on system breaks. I have often kludged this way before (sounds like a Lerner and Lowe song!) tying to different layers, having to resort to dragging a forwards tie backwards to make it work across system breaks. When the note starting the new system is ALSO tied, I have to keep doing it until the note stops being tied! Once I had to do it eight times for eight bars of tied whole notes... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] tie end missing
Any reason you couldn't have just moved those eight tied whole notes to the same layer as the first note in the tie chain? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 5 Apr 2008, at 7:56 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 5, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, You can tie forward from any note you wish, but Finale only display tie ends (a backwards tie at the beginning of a system) if the tie is a valid tie. If you're trying to tie Db to D natural across a system, the forward tie on the Db will display but the tie end going to the D nat. at the beginning of a new system won't. Yes I had gathered that it only causes trouble on system breaks. I have often kludged this way before (sounds like a Lerner and Lowe song!) tying to different layers, having to resort to dragging a forwards tie backwards to make it work across system breaks. When the note starting the new system is ALSO tied, I have to keep doing it until the note stops being tied! Once I had to do it eight times for eight bars of tied whole notes... There is no good reason why Finale won't let you go ahead a create a tie end even if there is no note tying to it, like in second endings and when starting examples of extracts. The shift-= command in second endings only works if there is a note in the last bar of the FIRST ending, which is a ridiculous restriction (as well as the "only in second endings" restriction.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] tie end missing
On Apr 5, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Chris, You can tie forward from any note you wish, but Finale only display tie ends (a backwards tie at the beginning of a system) if the tie is a valid tie. If you're trying to tie Db to D natural across a system, the forward tie on the Db will display but the tie end going to the D nat. at the beginning of a new system won't. Yes I had gathered that it only causes trouble on system breaks. I have often kludged this way before (sounds like a Lerner and Lowe song!) tying to different layers, having to resort to dragging a forwards tie backwards to make it work across system breaks. When the note starting the new system is ALSO tied, I have to keep doing it until the note stops being tied! Once I had to do it eight times for eight bars of tied whole notes... There is no good reason why Finale won't let you go ahead a create a tie end even if there is no note tying to it, like in second endings and when starting examples of extracts. The shift-= command in second endings only works if there is a note in the last bar of the FIRST ending, which is a ridiculous restriction (as well as the "only in second endings" restriction.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] tie end missing
Hi Chris, You can tie forward from any note you wish, but Finale only display tie ends (a backwards tie at the beginning of a system) if the tie is a valid tie. If you're trying to tie Db to D natural across a system, the forward tie on the Db will display but the tie end going to the D nat. at the beginning of a new system won't. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 5 Apr 2008, at 7:18 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 5, 2008, at 4:09 PM, dc wrote: Darcy James Argue écrit: Are the ties the same note, or are you trying to tie an enharmonic equivalent (C# to Db, for instance)? That's it! I just checked, and realize that the accidental was missing on the second note! Many thanks, Darcy. And sorry for the stupid question! Huh! Not stupid at all, as I wouldn't have thought that a missing accidental would cause that. Now I learned something... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] tie end missing
On Apr 5, 2008, at 4:09 PM, dc wrote: Darcy James Argue écrit: Are the ties the same note, or are you trying to tie an enharmonic equivalent (C# to Db, for instance)? That's it! I just checked, and realize that the accidental was missing on the second note! Many thanks, Darcy. And sorry for the stupid question! Huh! Not stupid at all, as I wouldn't have thought that a missing accidental would cause that. Now I learned something... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] RE: CONVERTING Sib to Fin
Hi George, > Is it possible to do it the other way round? Finale to Sibelius? Sure. Use MusicXML | Export on Finale's File menu to export the MusicXML file, and use the Open command on Sibelius's File menu to open the MusicXML file. Unlike Sibelius, Finale already has MusicXML export built-in. Our Dolet 4 for Finale plug-in does offer additional features for more accurate translations to Sibelius. More information is available at: http://store.recordare.com/dolet4fin.html Sibelius added MusicXML import in version 4, and dramatically improved it in version 5.1. Best regards, Michael Good Recordare LLC www.recordare.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] RE: CONVERTING Sib to Fin
To Michael Good, Is it possible to do it the other way round? Finale to Sibelius? George Galway, Manchester U.K. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Good Sent: 05 April 2008 19:43 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] RE: CONVERTING Sib to Fin Hi Kim, As several people have mentioned, the most accurate way to transfer from Sibelius to Finale is to use the Dolet 3 for Sibelius plug-in to create a MusicXML file that Finale can read. The direct link is: http://store.recordare.com/dolet3sib.html A video that demonstrates the difference between using MusicXML and MIDI to transfer the files is available at: http://www.recordare.com/sibelius/video/dolet3sib.html Best regards, Michael Good Recordare LLC www.recordare.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] tie end missing
Are you sure the previous measure is rhythmically complete? Are the ties the same note, or are you trying to tie an enharmonic equivalent (C# to Db, for instance)? Are you trying to tie two notes that are in different layers? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 5 Apr 2008, at 3:56 PM, dc wrote: Christopher Smith écrit: You can try opening the Edit Frame. Select the Speedy Entry tool and opt-click (control-click in Windows) a measure that contains music (without opening the edit window first!). You have a tie start and tie end near the bottom of the box. Make sure they are clicked where appropriate. I tried this again. Opened the Edit Frame. Ticked "Tie end" on the first note after system break where the tie end is missing. Closed. Update layout. And still no tie end. I open the Edit Frame Again, and the box is unticked. It won't stay ticked! Why? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] RE: CONVERTING Sib to Fin
Hi Kim, As several people have mentioned, the most accurate way to transfer from Sibelius to Finale is to use the Dolet 3 for Sibelius plug-in to create a MusicXML file that Finale can read. The direct link is: http://store.recordare.com/dolet3sib.html A video that demonstrates the difference between using MusicXML and MIDI to transfer the files is available at: http://www.recordare.com/sibelius/video/dolet3sib.html Best regards, Michael Good Recordare LLC www.recordare.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Interesting bit of spam this morning...
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 7:55 AM, dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not sure they'd be willing to work for the low wages offered ;-( > > Dennis > I had an person in India offer to do raw data entry for 3.00 USD per hour. Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Scanning
>I have the standard scanning software supplied with WinFin 2006 which I am using with an Epsom 3490 Photo scanner You have to take the advertisements with a grain of salt. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Sturgeoun's Law (was Partial tuplets in Finale)
On Mar 29, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Mar 29, 2008, at 1:41 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't love all of the music that comes out of the local indie rock scene. In fact, I think, oh, say, about 90% of it is pretty bad. But 10% of it is brilliant. Nice post. But there is one thing I realised fairly early on in my own case. While I know that not all jazz is great, I still enjoy listening to jazz that isn't in the top 10%. I can't say that about any other kind of music. I can't really say why this is, but it is. Maybe there are people here on this list that say the same thing about Renaissance, or Baroque, or some other kind of music. Christopher Wow, six days late! I just got this now after posting on March 29th! Makes me sound like I never check my email, or are always commenting on something someone said before but now the conversation has moved on... Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Interesting bit of spam this morning...
dc wrote: Matthew Hindson fastmail acct écrit: However I have wondered why there aren't more Indians teaching themselves Finale and Sibelius and offering their services. Not sure they'd be willing to work for the low wages offered ;-( And there is a whole lot more knowledge required beyond the basics of the notation software itself. There's a lifetime of knowledge of engraving traditions and notation conventions which is learned through osmosis while playing/singing music throughout one's life, and then only by people who are interested in it. I'm constantly apalled at the manuscript notation of otherwise great musicians, such as the placing of a time signature at the start of each line, and the incorrect stem direction, the placing of accidentals AFTER the noteheads, etc. And these people are looking at properly engraved music all the time! It's vastly different from clicking on succeeding tech support screens each of which has a "Did this screen solve the client's problem (click the appropriate response) YES NO" line where the person needs no knowledge of anything other than how to read and how to click either yes or no. You can't teach proper engraving, especially for a specific house style, in a 2-hour orientation session the way you can teach: 1) never give your real name 2) always make up a different badge number 3) try to keep a well-modulated voice no matter how stupid the client sounds 4) click on the icon for the product the client is calling about 5) read the screen to the person but make believe it sounds like you're actually thinking those thoughts and that you've actually used the software. 6) If that solves the problem click YES, if not then click NO and repeat the process for each succeeding screen. 7) If nothing solves the problem say politely and pleasantly "I'm sorry to say that it seems as if it's a [hardware or software, whichever is the opposite of what the call is about] problem and you must call the manufacturer." 8) If the client says they have done that already, then say "Well then you have an operating system problem and need to contact Microsoft." 9) If the client says that they have done that also, then say "You'll have to reformat your hard drive and reinstall the operating system and then reinstall the software. Have a nice day." After they've absorbed that powerpoint presentation then anybody can be a tech-support person and can be located anywhere on the planet. Not quite the same as "in 3/4 time, following a dotted quarter note, should the next 3 8ths be beamed together, or the first one flagged with the final 2 beamed as a single beat?" ;-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] CONVERTING Sib to Fin
Kim Richmond wrote: Is there a way to convert Sibelius files into Finale files? I forget how if I once knew. All the best, KIM R You need to buy the Dolet plugin for Sibelius. This allows you to export a Sibelius file to MusicXML which Finale can import without purchasing the full Dolet for Finale plugin (although the full plug-in has more capabilities than the version which ships with Finale). -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Interesting bit of spam this morning...
Matthew Hindson fastmail acct wrote: [snip]> However I have wondered why there aren't more Indians teaching themselves Finale and Sibelius and offering their services. Because there's not much of a market for our services. Face it, people aren't beating down many of our doors, demanding our services. Most engraving is done for publishers and more and more people who do the arrangements and compositions which get published do their own engraving. The publishers have some engravers in-house who do the neatening up and bringing into alignment with house styles. We are a tiny niche of a niche of a niche industry. It's not like music engraving is a billion-dollar-a-year industry the way tech support is. :-) -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Scanning
thanks - I'll try that. The original copy is new and very clean - in fact it was produced by a friend of mine scanned by his Sibelius software (don't know what scanner). The original from which he scanned and produced good results could not be usefully scanned at all by my software/scanner and came out looking like something from the Huddersfield Contemporary Music Festival (it was actually by Reicha) Thanks again for the Sharpeye lead. Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Scanning
I have the standard scanning software supplied with WinFin 2006 which I am using with an Epsom 3490 Photo scanner and have had less than happy results. Are there optimum settings which might improve this? Would anyone care to hazard an opinion as to whether it is the software or hardware which is at fault? Thanks, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
