RE: DON'T TEST: Re: [Finale] copying reel to reel tapes

2008-04-11 Thread Richard Willis
Just out of curiosity, how do cassette tapes fare?  Have they been known to
have these type problems, too?

Richard

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Subject: DON'T TEST: Re: [Finale] copying reel to reel tapes

I'm on deadline but had to jump in here. This tape-baking is something that
I do for restoration clients, and although I replied to Vivian privately, I
have to respond to this message before folks do the wrong thing.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, on 4/9/2008 5:15 AM:
 2) The baking process he refers to is a last resort; let's start with 
 the first resort.

If you know these are gummy tapes, this is the first resort for some very
good reasons.

 3) Let's ssume you still own a reel-to-reel player that works (not a 
 safe assumption unless it's direct-drive; if there are rubber belts 
 involved, they have a finite lifetime). If you do have one that works, 
 play one of the tapes and see for yourself what condition it's in.

Do NOT play the tapes. Whether they are gummy, flaking, non-Mylar, etc.,
amateur handling can damage them. Even in otherwise good situations, splices
can fail and tangle the tapes unexpectedly. There are ways of handling
tests, and just playing a tape isn't the place to start.

 4) At level one of detioration, there will be drop-outs, because the 
 glue that attaches the magnetized iron particles (which is how your 
 signal is encoded) to the (usually) mylar tape base also has a 
 lifetime. Some of the magnetized iron can literally fall off over 
 time. If you open the box and there's rust-colored dust in it--that ain't
good.

Mylar and usually paper tape binding is good. Acetate tape loses its
binding, sometimes catastrophically. All tape types (and there are
others) can be damaged by test playing, especially for those who used
thinner tapes (especially .5 mil Mylar) back in the day when these were
popular with home recordists or people who wanted to get a lot of recording
time and didn't realize the consequences. Even playing thin tapes can ruin
them linearly with folds and creases. Playing tapes with poor binding can
cause oxide to fall off.

 5) At level two of detioration, which is what you are worried about, 
 serious fluctuations in termperature and humidity (particularly 
 humidity) while in storage will actually turn some or all of the 
 iron/glue/mylar product into congealed gunk. If that's your situation, 
 you need to follow Christopher's instructions. Depending on the degree 
 of gunkiness, baking may or may not save a portion of your material.

Gumminess is not an issue of storage. It's an issue of long-term chemistry
with certain formulations of tape, including very well stored Ampex
mastering tapes from the 1980s. These will go gummy irrespective of how they
were stored; my own top-of-the-line Ampex masters from this era are all
gummy, while most of the Maxell masters are fine.

 6) It's a little late for this, but reel-to-reel archivists have 
 always recommended end-to-end rewinding of all your tapes once a year. 
 That way, if a process of adhesion to the next layer has begun at a 
 low level, they will get aired out. If your tapes are still in 
 playable condition, please consider doing this in the future.

Do NOT -- repeat do NOT -- rewind potentially gummy or flaky tapes. With
gummy tapes, even if the layers are not stuck together (which is rare,
except at splices), this will cause the gummy surface to heat, stick, pull
off oxide and create clots of oxide on the tape surface that have to be
removed by hand. The gummy tape will ALWAYS get caught in the guides and
usually snap and make a tangled mess. With flaky tapes, the oxide will shear
off in great sheets before there's time to stop it.

When I prepare old tapes, I test first, then if working with a tail-out tape
that requires winding to the front, I slowly wind on a special jig with the
oxide OUT and not in contact with any hardware. Handle tapes as little as
possible; clean and repair splices first.

 I have a huge reel-to-reel collection, and the dire predictions about 
 the shortness of the half-life of the medium are greatly exaggerated. 
 The first tapes I made in 1957 are still in perfect condition; and 
 keeping them this way is not the mission impossible it's sometimes made
out to be.

1957 was likely acetate. Depending on how those were stored, they will
either be in perfect condition, warped (they are organic materials), moldy,
flaking, etc. You do NOT want to find out they're about to flake into a pile
of oxide when you're test-playing or -rewinding them.

If the tapes in question are masters or only copies, find someone who has
done restoration and get some advice FIRST. They should give you a free or
nominal cost recommendation on one of your tapes. If they've done gummy or
flaky tapes before, they will know almost immediately. 
Should yours be gummy tapes, the 

RE: DON'T TEST: Re: [Finale] copying reel to reel tapes

2008-04-11 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Fri, April 11, 2008 4:42 pm, Richard Willis wrote:
 Just out of curiosity, how do cassette tapes fare?  Have they been known
 to
 have these type problems, too?

I don't know about the gumminess. I've never seen one with the problems,
likely because cassette formulations were quite a bit different from reels
at the time.

They have other less serious problems, mostly in warped cases, lost
lubricant on the slip sheets, broken splices at the leader, and dry glue
that causes the felt pressure pads to come off. Only the latter might
cause physical damage if the tape is played.

But by and large, because of the small size of the shell and the numerous
built-in guides, they don't suffer from damage. And good chrome cassettes
hold up very well over the years; some of my own earliest are in perfect
shape, and I've never met one that's come in for restoration whose actual
tape was problematic.

Best to you,
Dennis





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Re: DON'T TEST: Re: [Finale] copying reel to reel tapes

2008-04-11 Thread Ray Horton
Isn't the biggest problem with cassettes print-through, that is, that 
signal copies from itself onto blank sections of tape?  This is heard 
most typically as a pre-echo, a ghostly preview of music before a 
segment starts.  Doesn't this get worse with age and storage?



Raymond Horton


Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

On Fri, April 11, 2008 4:42 pm, Richard Willis wrote:
  

Just out of curiosity, how do cassette tapes fare?  Have they been known
to
have these type problems, too?



I don't know about the gumminess. I've never seen one with the problems,
likely because cassette formulations were quite a bit different from reels
at the time.

They have other less serious problems, mostly in warped cases, lost
lubricant on the slip sheets, broken splices at the leader, and dry glue
that causes the felt pressure pads to come off. Only the latter might
cause physical damage if the tape is played.

But by and large, because of the small size of the shell and the numerous
built-in guides, they don't suffer from damage. And good chrome cassettes
hold up very well over the years; some of my own earliest are in perfect
shape, and I've never met one that's come in for restoration whose actual
tape was problematic.

Best to you,
Dennis





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Re: DON'T TEST: Re: [Finale] copying reel to reel tapes

2008-04-11 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Fri, April 11, 2008 10:30 pm, Ray Horton wrote:
 Isn't the biggest problem with cassettes print-through, that is, that
 signal copies from itself onto blank sections of tape?  This is heard
 most typically as a pre-echo, a ghostly preview of music before a
 segment starts.  Doesn't this get worse with age and storage?

All tapes suffer from print-through, both pre- and post-echo ... though
pre-echo is more annoying because it doesn't fall into the reverb. There's
some old 35MM film recordings that Command Classics released on LP, and
even with that thick medium you can hear the pre-echo. You can hear a
different sort of pre-echo or distortion on some long LPs because the
grooves are close together and the stampers push the walls of the
neighboring grooves of the soft vinyl.

Because of the higher noise level, narrower tracks, and generally looser
tape pack, cassettes are not much worse, except for the extended-play ones
(120 minutes) using thin tape.

Dennis

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