Re: [Finale] Staff Names
On 26 Oct 2008 at 20:27, David W. Fenton wrote: > How is it that staff names could ever get linked such that changing > the staff name for one changes it for all? > > I tried out using SmartScore Lite to scan TIFs created from a PDF, > and it worked fairly well (aside from the independent key signatures > that it created, having mistook accidentals for key changes), but now > I can't edit staff names independently. > > Is there a setting somewhere that links these? Well, I went back in and deleted the staff name for the first staff, and I noticed the handle for the staff name disappeared for that staff, but not for the others. So I went into all staff names and hit backspace, and this caused the staff name handle to disappear (it broke the connection between one Text ID for all staves, it seems), and then I was able to put in individual staff names for each (and each got its own new Text ID). Apparently this is something weird from the way SmartScore Lite was using its own template, such that it kept the connection of all staves to a single Text ID. Very dumb on their part. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Staff Names
How is it that staff names could ever get linked such that changing the staff name for one changes it for all? I tried out using SmartScore Lite to scan TIFs created from a PDF, and it worked fairly well (aside from the independent key signatures that it created, having mistook accidentals for key changes), but now I can't edit staff names independently. Is there a setting somewhere that links these? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horrible Playback, Bookmarks, Copy Errors
At 6:15 PM -0500 10/26/08, Robert Patterson wrote: Which brings to the main reason I stay with Finale: 3rd party plugins. I have not seen or read anything that suggests to me Sibelius can achieve the efficiencies that Finale can with 3rd party plugins. Sibelius ships with a collection of 3rd-party plugins, and offers new ones on their website. In other words, they take advantage of 3rd-party expertise, but don't charge extra for it. I'm not qualified to express an opinion between those available for the two programs, but my impression as a longtime reader of the FinaleList is that Finale actually couldn't function properly without yours and other plugins, while with Sibelius they are helpful add-ons. John Howell wrote: The difference, as many have testified, is that the present Sibelius management seems to be dedicated to fixing problems that are brought to their attention, unlike the present MakeMusic management, which is not. The only problem I have with this statement is, how are the Sibelius fixes delivered? I thought it was on a 3-yr development cycle. How can they deliver any timely fixes on that long of a cycle? My understanding (and I claim no special expertise) is that there is no calendar-mandated, marketing-driven development cycle. They come out with new versions when they feel (a) that they are ready, and (b) that they are real upgrades and real improvements. The timely fixes for Sib5 come out quickly and did, indeed, fix bugs that had surfaced. I don't have long experience. I bought in with Sib4 six months before the release of Sib5, and waited a while until the first fix was available for Sib5, but the comments on the SibList, unlike those on the FinaleList, were pretty uniformly positive about the upgrade. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horrible Playback, Bookmarks, Copy Errors
To Stig's original point, I am dismayed at the bugginess in Fin08. (I have yet to use Fin09 for real work.) I also have experienced the unreliability of Copy/Paste in Fin08, including the V2 rests problem. It also moves grace notes at the end of a bar to the beginning of the next when you copy them. Fin08 does a terrible job of upgrading old files. I recently had to completely re-edit a piece from v2.6.3. The imported articulation definitions were completely trashed, the shape expressions were completely gone, and the underlying shapes were corrupt (crashed Finale when attempting to delete them). In the old days I could stage old files thru Fin02, which imported them pretty well, but Fin02 no longer runs on an Intel Mac. (Sheepshaver fails to run on my new Mac Pro, so I can't even try to run Finale on that.) It was so bad that I opted not to use my original parts files and instead re-created them from scratch. With the new linked parts feature and productivity-enhancing plugins, I am sure it was faster to do so. Which brings to the main reason I stay with Finale: 3rd party plugins. I have not seen or read anything that suggests to me Sibelius can achieve the efficiencies that Finale can with 3rd party plugins. John Howell wrote: The difference, as many have testified, is that the present Sibelius management seems to be dedicated to fixing problems that are brought to their attention, unlike the present MakeMusic management, which is not. The only problem I have with this statement is, how are the Sibelius fixes delivered? I thought it was on a 3-yr development cycle. How can they deliver any timely fixes on that long of a cycle? MM management certainly knows about most of the problems. Recently, though, they have thrown the baby out with the bathwater. They screwed up Mass Copy in Fin08 (in the name of "fixing" it), and they screwed up expressions in Fin09. Lord knows what may be on their plate to screw up in the coming years. I thought I would like the Fin08 replacement of Mass Copy with the Selection tool, but after using it for real work it drives me crazy. I can't tell you how many times I accidently drag an expression or smart shape when all I want to do is select a partial region. Someone posted here that in Fin08 you program transposition metatools using ctrl-shift-. That worked for me a little while, but now it has stopped. (The View menu lights up, but nothing else happens.) Anyone have any idea why? -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horrible Playback, Bookmarks, Copy Errors
Everyone replying so far seems to have commented only on the fact that Sibelius has its own problems, but I haven't read any contradiction of the initial premiss that Finale has "horrible playback". Is finale playback really that awful (I have no experience of any other programme) or is this something new to Fin2009? (I have FinWin2006) Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horrible Playback, Bookmarks, Copy Errors
I allready have Sibelius, so that will not be a problem. I don't expect a full featured seq. I use Logic for that, but beeing able to "proove listen" is very usefull, but almost impossible in Finale. The pan-bug has been there for too long now! The bookmark feature is not the most elegant construction, but I have used it sometime, but yesterday it just wasn't there. I made a bookmark called Verse 4. But after a while, when I was trying to return to my bookmark, the bookmark menu was grayed out, and there was no sign of the Verse 4 bookmark! I think writing drumnotes takes ages! The switching beetwen 2 layers - deleting all the extra rests and so on, there must be an easier way to do it! Maybe I will try Sibelius again! Stig Den 26/10/2008 kl. 19.45 skrev John Howell: At 7:08 PM +0100 10/26/08, Stig Christensen wrote: So many anoying bugs. Again I find my self considering Sibelius! Please feel free to comment Sibelius has its own problems, not too surprisingly, and playback is one of them if you expect EITHER program to be a full-featured sequencer when they are both notation programs. The difference, as many have testified, is that the present Sibelius management seems to be dedicated to fixing problems that are brought to their attention, unlike the present MakeMusic management, which is not. (I believe that Sibelius still has a generous cross-program upgrade offer on the table until the end of the month, but I may be off by a month.) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale MUSICMIND Stig Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.musicmind.dk Hovmarksvej 24A 2920 Charlottenlund tlf: 26212425 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horrible Playback, Bookmarks, Copy Errors
At 7:08 PM +0100 10/26/08, Stig Christensen wrote: So many anoying bugs. Again I find my self considering Sibelius! Please feel free to comment Sibelius has its own problems, not too surprisingly, and playback is one of them if you expect EITHER program to be a full-featured sequencer when they are both notation programs. The difference, as many have testified, is that the present Sibelius management seems to be dedicated to fixing problems that are brought to their attention, unlike the present MakeMusic management, which is not. (I believe that Sibelius still has a generous cross-program upgrade offer on the table until the end of the month, but I may be off by a month.) John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Horrible Playback, Bookmarks, Copy Errors
Stig Christensen wrote: How come the play back is so horrible in Finale. The volume is lovered and the pan suddenly goes bananas! You can't use that for anything! And what happended to Bookmarks, that function doesn't work anymore. I also cpoied a complete piano part to a newly created score, and suddenly the new part was filled with voice 2 rests! Then have to convert voice 2 to layer 4 select Display Active Layer only and delete layer 4! So many anoying bugs. Again I find my self considering Sibelius! Please feel free to comment What doesn't work about bookmarks? Is it not recognizing bookmarks saved in older files, or are you unable to create new bookmarks? I don't have 2009 (thankfully) but I wonder if the functionality has simply changed like so much else in Finale. Have you read and followed the instructions in the help-file/documentation and things still don't work? Might it be that you have to select a measure-stack (the whole vertical column of the measure you think you're selecting)? These are just ideas which might help you to find how to make it work in the new version. Sibelius is definitely worthy of consideration, but you have to understand that it's not for everybody and whether or not you'll find a good transition to Sibelius depends on how deep in the bowels of Finale you work and what you want/need to do with your scores. There is of course no way to know until you try Sibelius, and you might find the demo version limiting, but as a person who is now using both Finale and Sibelius, I find that I'm starting most of my projects in Sibelius these days and finding things so much easier. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Horrible Playback, Bookmarks, Copy Errors
How come the play back is so horrible in Finale. The volume is lovered and the pan suddenly goes bananas! You can't use that for anything! And what happended to Bookmarks, that function doesn't work anymore. I also cpoied a complete piano part to a newly created score, and suddenly the new part was filled with voice 2 rests! Then have to convert voice 2 to layer 4 select Display Active Layer only and delete layer 4! So many anoying bugs. Again I find my self considering Sibelius! Please feel free to comment Stig MUSICMIND Stig Christensen www.musicmind.dk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hovmarksvej 24A 2920 Charlottenlund DENMARK +4526212425 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] L.V.
Thank You! Of course! I would presume that an english score would use the term Let Ring, but Let Vibrate or laissez vibrez is understnadable! Thanks a lot! Regards Stig Den 25/10/2008 kl. 18.02 skrev Cecil Rigby: Hi Stig- The guitarist should play the melody in its notated rhythm, but letting each note continue sounding past its notated length. It's identical to engaging the sustain pedal on a piano and then playing a melody- all the notes override each other until the pedal is released, dampening the strings. Usually one will find a sign that looks similar to a coda sign (an oval with crosshairs) at the end of such passages, and that means the player should resume playing with normal technique. LV comes from the French, laissez vibrez. The technique is impossible to achieve on guitar for consecutive notes played on a single string, obviously, so the player has to distribute successive notes among other strings to achieve the effect. As Terry said, the fingers must be left in position on the strings after each note is played. When the number of strings or fingers runs out to keep that practice sustained over the course of the melody or indication it's logical (to me), knowing the intended effect, that the first note played would be the first dropped to play the next one before any other notes were dropped. -Cecil RIgby LIberty, SC From: Terry Muska I believe the intention of "L.V." is to leave the left hand fingers in position ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale MUSICMIND Stig Christensen www.musicmind.dk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hovmarksvej 24A 2920 Charlottenlund DENMARK +4526212425 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] WINFIN2009 Fatal error?
Howey, Henry wrote: I just imported a scanned piece into FINALE with Recordare's plugin. All was well until I tried to insert a rit. into the piano part. FINALE quit working. Four times. I've gone back to 2008 via MusicXML. No problems I suspect the lack of groups is at the basis for this. This work is being done at the end of a very long process. Such an error is unconscionable. MakeMusic has some serious screws loose;-( The fact that the same file works in 2008 shows that the problem isn't with the original data, but rather with Fin2009's ability to function properly. While I am sorry for everybody who is suffering these horrible problems with Fin2009, I do appreciate the posting of them on this list since they only serve to reaffirm my decision not to upgrade this time around. Inserting a "rit." into the piano part is not someplace one would expect a problem to arise -- MakeMusic has some serious screws loose indeed, and has yet to issue an interim release to tighten them up. How long did it take them to release the first update to 2008? Isn't the update to 2009 a bit overdue? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
