[Finale] I can't get HP expressions to work
I'm using Finale 2011. I'm doing an arrangement that alternates between swing and bossa. I have tried everything I can think of to make the Human Playback work only during the swing sections. The obvious thing was to use expressions that are defined for playback with HP on and HP off. They make no difference whatsoever. I also tried the plug-in that applies HP to a region of music. This will apply swing, but it seems to hit the whole score even if I have selected only one measure. I can't make HP stop on the bossa sections. I thought maybe this was a problem in some of the material I had copied from another score, so I created a brand new score from the score wizard and manually entered a few measures. I could not control that simple score with the HP expressions or with the plug-in. I got the same bad results whether I used VST instruments or MIDI. Has anybody had a similar problem? Any ideas? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] copyright symbol not printing
I have been unable to get the copyright symbol to print on a couple of scores and parts. The font is times and I've ensured that all the fonts are embedded when I convert it to post script. I doesn't even show up on the pdf. What I end up getting is an apostrophe where the symbol should be. The rest of the copyright notice prints fine. Does anyone know what may be causing the problem? Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing
why times won't print i can't answer, but have you tried using another font just for the symbol? i like using verdana, the letter height is slightly larger than in other fonts (at the same point size), so the symbol stands out better. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing
Thats a good idea. I didn't think to try that since I figured there should be no reason that a font as generic as times should be a problem. I'll give that a try. Thanks! Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:46 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: why times won't print i can't answer, but have you tried using another font just for the symbol? i like using verdana, the letter height is slightly larger than in other fonts (at the same point size), so the symbol stands out better. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
At 8:25 PM -0500 2/18/11, David W. Fenton wrote: For the keyboard continuo player, this wasn't possible, so she has to turn pages in the middle of the action, but keyboardists are used to this (and I tried to put these in places where there was not enough action going on that it was a problem). When I look at actual published piano music, I am appalled at how widely it is spaced and at how much space and how many pages it takes up. Rather than being printed smaller because the pianist sits closer to the music than most orchestral or chamber players, it is always printed much larger, and absolutely no provision is made for page turns. (Reasonable, since the part usually never stops playing.) When I write a realized continuo part, I simply can't bring myself to format it that way. (This is generally not true of choral octavos. I'm talking about piano solo and piano accompaniment for solo instrument music.) You're right that keyboard players are used to this, and have their tricks for making lots of page turns. And of course when it's vital we give them a page turner, although that can have its own pitfalls! Our community orchestra is doing St.-Saëns Carnival of the Animals in the Spring, and I'm curious to see how the French publisher has treated the two elaborate and very demanding solo piano parts. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
John Howell wrote: When I look at actual published piano music, I am appalled at how widely it is spaced and at how much space and how many pages it takes up. I suspect this is an issue with the printing choices, especially today. I've don't remember ever having seen a volume of piano music which did not end at the right margin of the page, and usually at the bottom of the page. So my guess is that when the editor responsible for page layout determines that there is no way not to add a page, the entire music is respaced so as to end at the bottom right corner of the last page. My guess as to the reason for this is that the publishers have learned that customers complain less about empty space (especially when the empty space is one or more blank pages, than they do about to widely spaced music. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing
Nick Raspa wrote: I have been unable to get the copyright symbol to print on a couple of scores and parts. The font is times and I've ensured that all the fonts are embedded when I convert it to post script... Have you verified that Whe times font being accessed when printing contains the copyright symbol? The Times New Roman font included with windows does contain the symbol at location 169, but I'm guessing that Postscript is accessing a times font which does not contain the symbol. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:01 AM, finale-requ...@shsu.edu wrote: From: John Howell john.how...@vt.edu Date: February 19, 2011 9:23:50 AM PST To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu At 8:25 PM -0500 2/18/11, David W. Fenton wrote: For the keyboard continuo player, this wasn't possible, so she has to turn pages in the middle of the action, but keyboardists are used to this (and I tried to put these in places where there was not enough action going on that it was a problem). When I look at actual published piano music, I am appalled at how widely it is spaced and at how much space and how many pages it takes up. Last summer I attended a concert at Wolf Trap with the National Symphony. It was one of those deals where they played Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers on a huge hi-def screen above the orchestra, while the orchestra itself played the soundtrack to the film in real time. Pretty amazing, both technically and musically, especially considering the length of the film and the amount of music it contains. However, during the show, I noticed that the musicians were doing an awful lot of page turning, and during the intermission, I walked down to the edge of the stage and got a look at the music on the violin stands. It was as you commented above, where there were maybe four or five (huge) staves per page and an incredible amount of wasted white space. I can only assume they did it that way because of the low-light conditions, given they had to show a movie during the performance, however each stand had one of those little lights on it, which illuminated the page just fine, so I can't imagine lighting was that much of a problem.___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) Steve P. On 19 Feb 2011, at 17:47, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: My guess as to the reason for this is that the publishers have learned that customers complain less about empty space (especially when the empty space is one or more blank pages, than they do about to widely spaced music. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing
Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Gerhard Torges Musiker, Lehrer, Arrangeur, Notensetzer Beethovenstr. 20 49124 Georgsmarienhütte Telefon: (+49)/(0) 5401 361590 Mobil: (+49)/(0) 178 501 29 15 Am 19.02.2011 um 16:36 schrieb Nick Raspa nj...@me.com: I have been unable to get the copyright symbol to print on a couple of scores and parts. The font is times and I've ensured that all the fonts are embedded when I convert it to post script. I doesn't even show up on the pdf. What I end up getting is an apostrophe where the symbol should be. The rest of the copyright notice prints fine. Does anyone know what may be causing the problem? Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing
Hello! Am 19.02.2011 um 16:36 schrieb Nick Raspa nj...@me.com: I have been unable to get the copyright symbol to print on a couple of scores and parts. Perhaps it's copy protected? SCNR, Gerhard ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing
Just back from the printer and changing fonts solved the problem. I don't quite understand why times doesn't work. I never had problems with it before. But at least this took care of the problem. I also like the fact that the symbol is a little larger with the new font and stands out more. Thanks to everyone who responded. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:46 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: why times won't print i can't answer, but have you tried using another font just for the symbol? i like using verdana, the letter height is slightly larger than in other fonts (at the same point size), so the symbol stands out better. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
At 10:23 AM -0800 2/19/11, Blake Richardson wrote: However, during the show, I noticed that the musicians were doing an awful lot of page turning, and during the intermission, I walked down to the edge of the stage and got a look at the music on the violin stands. It was as you commented above, where there were maybe four or five (huge) staves per page and an incredible amount of wasted white space. I can only assume they did it that way because of the low-light conditions, given they had to show a movie during the performance, however each stand had one of those little lights on it, which illuminated the page just fine, so I can't imagine lighting was that much of a problem. Definitely not meeting MOLA standards!! And if they had stand lights (like the lights in opera pits), there should have been no need to make a Big-Note elementary school version! I can't imagine those pages having been used in the movie recording sessions, either, since page turns--especially fast page turns--are hard to make without making noise, and while that noise wouldn't be heard past the footlights in a theater the mics would pick it up in a session. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would otherwise be impossible. It would be a brave editor who used it, especially if it threw the music into an extra signature (4 pages). John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
It is pretty common in London theatreland too. I use it a lot myself. Steve P. On 19 Feb 2011, at 21:56, John Howell wrote: At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would otherwise be impossible. It would be a brave editor who used it, especially if it threw the music into an extra signature (4 pages). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] JW Sequence
Hello! Here's a demo video of a new plug-in, that should be available soon. The plug-in is called JW Sequence and it can be use to apply a sequence of notes to any pitch(es). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bh_5IztaCY Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
On Sat Feb 19, at SaturdayFeb 19 4:56 PM, John Howell wrote: At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would otherwise be impossible. It would be a brave editor who used it, especially if it threw the music into an extra signature (4 pages). John I noticed after playing Chicago last month that the originally-laid out parts had great page turns. Even though the copy work was sloppy (is that a D or an E below the bass staff?) somebody really knew what they were doing, putting a bass page turn on an open pizz G string when anything else would have been impossible. But the cheap, thin-paper 8.5x11 photocopy of the book, spiral-bound in a too-tight spiral guaranteed to bind and cause noise and pages not to lay flat, actually REVERSED about half of the page turns, so about 50% of the time I DIDN'T have a proper page turn when one would have existed if they had laid out the copies properly! This was rental material from Samuel French, who should know better. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would otherwise be impossible. It would be a brave editor who used it, especially if it threw the music into an extra signature (4 pages). John I can recall the percussion part for Bernstein's Symphonic Dances from West Side Story containing blank pages. I think it's not unusual for 20th century music, esp. when copied by hand and not typeset. Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
At 5:30 PM -0500 2/19/11, Christopher Smith wrote: I noticed after playing Chicago last month that the originally-laid out parts had great page turns. Even though the copy work was sloppy (is that a D or an E below the bass staff?) somebody really knew what they were doing, putting a bass page turn on an open pizz G string when anything else would have been impossible. But the cheap, thin-paper 8.5x11 photocopy of the book, spiral-bound in a too-tight spiral guaranteed to bind and cause noise and pages not to lay flat, actually REVERSED about half of the page turns, so about 50% of the time I DIDN'T have a proper page turn when one would have existed if they had laid out the copies properly! This was rental material from Samuel French, who should know better. I've come to the conclusion that while the librarians at the major rental agencies may be good file clerks, they are NOT necessarily musicians, so probably they do NOT know better. I do know that they don't care to get errata lists after we've gone through and corrected the mistakes in their books, so we're still reading copyist's mistakes from 60 years ago!!! That's why I've taken to correcting obvious errors (note mistakes, mostly) in ink, for the benefit of the next person to get the book, but those books have a limited half-life. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
At 6:04 PM + 2/19/11, Steve Parker wrote: Hence the paradoxical 'This page has been intentionally left blank' ;-) Better?: This page intentionally contains only fifty-four characters. [Count 'em!] That's often found in really WELL laid out Broadway books. I don't recall seeing it anyplace else. But it's a very legitimate technique when page turns would otherwise be impossible. It would be a brave editor who used it, especially if it threw the music into an extra signature (4 pages). I have used it in collections of individual pieces, many with two pages, so that page turns are avoided. Richard Yates John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
'This page would have been left blank if it could have been without generating complaints of missing music' On 19 Feb 2011, at 22:12, Richard Yates wrote: Better?: This page intentionally contains only fifty-four characters. [Count 'em!] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] JW Sequence
Interesting indeed. In the video is says to note how the accidentals are handled - so from what I can see, if there's an accidental on the first note, it is applied to all the notes in the sequence? Matthew On 20/02/11 8:54 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! Here's a demo video of a new plug-in, that should be available soon. The plug-in is called JW Sequence and it can be use to apply a sequence of notes to any pitch(es). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bh_5IztaCY Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] copyright symbol not printing
Not much help, but just to let you know that you are not alone, Nick - I have had continual trouble with this over some years, especially when creating a PDF - it would turn into a Yen ¥ sign for some bizarre reason. And with Times too. Cheers Matthew On 20/02/11 8:05 AM, Nick Raspa wrote: Just back from the printer and changing fonts solved the problem. I don't quite understand why times doesn't work. I never had problems with it before. But at least this took care of the problem. I also like the fact that the symbol is a little larger with the new font and stands out more. Thanks to everyone who responded. Nick Raspa NJR Music Enterprises On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:46 AM, SN jef chippewa shirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: why times won't print i can't answer, but have you tried using another font just for the symbol? i like using verdana, the letter height is slightly larger than in other fonts (at the same point size), so the symbol stands out better. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Playback crashes Finale
Has anyone encountered the situation wherein trying to play back a score crashes totally out of Finale? This is using Finale 2010 on OS X. I have tried Data Check but to no avail. Frustratingly, this is the very last thing I am trying to do with this piece, i.e. create a MIDI mockup - it hasn't done this before on any consistent basis. Everything else seems fine - but now it crashes every single time, even on old versions of the file. It crashes out when going through Score Items. Probably an HP issue? Is there such a thing as HP Preferences that I could trash? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Staff size recommendations
Is that a measure-attached expression or a text block? -Original Message- From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Parker Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 3:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Staff size recommendations 'This page would have been left blank if it could have been without generating complaints of missing music' On 19 Feb 2011, at 22:12, Richard Yates wrote: Better?: This page intentionally contains only fifty-four characters. [Count 'em!] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback crashes Finale
There had been a problem in 2010 PC with the three-line tremolo/drumroll symbol. Got one of those in your score? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Feb 19, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) mhindson2...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone encountered the situation wherein trying to play back a score crashes totally out of Finale? This is using Finale 2010 on OS X. I have tried Data Check but to no avail. Frustratingly, this is the very last thing I am trying to do with this piece, i.e. create a MIDI mockup - it hasn't done this before on any consistent basis. Everything else seems fine - but now it crashes every single time, even on old versions of the file. It crashes out when going through Score Items. Probably an HP issue? Is there such a thing as HP Preferences that I could trash? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Playback crashes Finale
Replying to my own email: downloading the demo of Finale 2011 solved the playback problem, i.e. it plays back using Finale 2011. Must have been a known bug fixed in the later version. Matthew On 20/02/11 11:41 AM, Matthew Hindson (gmail) wrote: Has anyone encountered the situation wherein trying to play back a score crashes totally out of Finale? This is using Finale 2010 on OS X. I have tried Data Check but to no avail. Frustratingly, this is the very last thing I am trying to do with this piece, i.e. create a MIDI mockup - it hasn't done this before on any consistent basis. Everything else seems fine - but now it crashes every single time, even on old versions of the file. It crashes out when going through Score Items. Probably an HP issue? Is there such a thing as HP Preferences that I could trash? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback crashes Finale
Thanks Jim, indeed have several. Will check it out. Matthew On 20/02/11 12:05 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: There had been a problem in 2010 PC with the three-line tremolo/drumroll symbol. Got one of those in your score? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Feb 19, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Matthew Hindson (gmail)mhindson2...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone encountered the situation wherein trying to play back a score crashes totally out of Finale? This is using Finale 2010 on OS X. I have tried Data Check but to no avail. Frustratingly, this is the very last thing I am trying to do with this piece, i.e. create a MIDI mockup - it hasn't done this before on any consistent basis. Everything else seems fine - but now it crashes every single time, even on old versions of the file. It crashes out when going through Score Items. Probably an HP issue? Is there such a thing as HP Preferences that I could trash? Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
