Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
Justin, Thank you very much for helping convince MakeMusic to break the annual upgrade cycle. I am delighted that there won't be a Finale2013 this year and look forward to great things with the new 'release it when it's ready' mentality. And I'm thrilled also that you're releasing an iPad app -- I hope it competes nicely with the current notation apps which are doing excellent things -- Symphony Pro and Notion. I'm using them interchangeably to create initial arrangements when I'm away from home and then using MusicXML to export the pieces from the iPad to my computer and will be eager to see what your development team have come up with to compete. I hope it's not just a Finale version of Sibelius's Scorch, which is fine for playing and viewing files but not for creating or editing them. And thank you for being so open about all this -- I hope it represents a new era in Finale's concern for their end-users. Thank you! David H. Bailey On 5/30/2012 11:16 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote: Between the number 13 and the Mayan Apocalypse, I thought we'd throw the towel in this year :-). It is coincidence however that it happened to be what would have become the 2013 version. We won't be moving back to the yearly release cycle even after the next major release next year. We try to keep OS support as long as we can, but when it starts to become difficult to develop for using the tools Apple suggests you use for 10.6, 10.7 and 10.8, we have to stat moving away from it. We're at the point we cannot make some needed technological updates and feature changes without moving on. The other factor here is the low number of 10.5 and PPC users we have currently. It's hard to justify development time and QA costs when it gets under a handful of percentage points of users. This used to be not as big of a deal when Apple charged much more for OS upgrades, but at $29, people are moving to new versions much quicker and Apple is dropping support for their older technologies faster than in the past. As for the plug-ins, we'll try and help with support of those as much as we can. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
On 2012-05-31 12:36, David H. Bailey wrote: I hope it's not just a Finale version of Sibelius's Scorch, which is fine for playing and viewing files but not for creating or editing them. Playing, viewing, printing in the version released now. MM has been pretty clear about this since NAMM. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
On 2012-05-31 05:30, Girard Bowe wrote: In JazzFont, the dot in the dotted eighth rest is too far separated from the rest. Changing the spacing in Document Options then results in a dot too close to a quarter rest. Takes about 3 seconds to correct with a current JW Change (beta). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] The feature I really want
The one feature that I really want is a utilities organizer... access to these different tools has grown into an unwieldy mess. The Utilities Menu and Finale Plugins and independent plugins and 'special tools' -- all of which behave pretty much the same way -- could appear in one or more docks or menus or palettes that I could organize. Finale would arrive with the default state, but then have a kind of personal menu workspace that could be loaded. I end up doing things by hand because I can't find a plugin or utility that I know is there but rarely use and whose name, location and behavior are scattered about (like the feature to restore missing stems that I asked about last week; I've already forgotten where that was!). (Years ago I designed the look of a Finale UI that would actually show the behaviors in play, like the late, great Paint Shop Pro... tool graphical palettes and objects status on one side with the active tool behaviors and parameters at the bottom, and any setup savable and loadable as named workspaces. Once set up, you never had to go near a menu. That's what I'm talking about) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The feature I really want
So you haven't tried JW Change after all? Best regards, Jari Williamsson On 2012-05-31 13:56, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: The one feature that I really want is a utilities organizer... access to these different tools has grown into an unwieldy mess. The Utilities Menu and Finale Plugins and independent plugins and 'special tools' -- all of which behave pretty much the same way -- could appear in one or more docks or menus or palettes that I could organize. Finale would arrive with the default state, but then have a kind of personal menu workspace that could be loaded. I end up doing things by hand because I can't find a plugin or utility that I know is there but rarely use and whose name, location and behavior are scattered about (like the feature to restore missing stems that I asked about last week; I've already forgotten where that was!). (Years ago I designed the look of a Finale UI that would actually show the behaviors in play, like the late, great Paint Shop Pro... tool graphical palettes and objects status on one side with the active tool behaviors and parameters at the bottom, and any setup savable and loadable as named workspaces. Once set up, you never had to go near a menu. That's what I'm talking about) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] The feature I really want
On Thu, May 31, 2012 8:09 am, Jari Williamsson wrote: So you haven't tried JW Change after all? Not yet. I just finished copying score parts for a client yesterday, so haven't downloaded anything new. My learning buffer was full. :) D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
On Thu May 31, at ThursdayMay 31 7:08 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2012-05-31 05:30, Girard Bowe wrote: In JazzFont, the dot in the dotted eighth rest is too far separated from the rest. Changing the spacing in Document Options then results in a dot too close to a quarter rest. Takes about 3 seconds to correct with a current JW Change (beta). Best regards, Jari Williamsson Jari, Thanks for pointing that out (I didn't know!) and thanks for addressing it in the plugin, but honestly, this is something that broke several versions ago and should have been corrected immediately. I have such a list of things to do to Finale files to work around problems like this one that it is getting hard to get work done. I sincerely hope the mid-term version addresses some of these bugs. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts
Michael, List protocol forbids attachements to emails, so there needs to be another way to do this. I'd think that Nick Carter would have something available on his NPC Imaging site, since he is selling the fonts. Meanwhile, I will send a pdf to your email, and you are welcome to visit here in SE Portland, if there are other things you'd like to see. Chuck On May 30, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Michael Mathew wrote: Chuck, Greetings! Is it possible you could send the pdf to the group? I have wanted to see the font in actual use and have some trouble coming up with the necessary money to purchase. Actually seeing the fonts in action might help me settle the matter! Thanks, Michael mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ _ Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
There's a Finale app? I checked the iTunes App store this morning and there was nothing that turned up when I entered Finale in the search bar. Too bad there's no editing. What's it called? David H. Bailey On 5/31/2012 7:10 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2012-05-31 12:36, David H. Bailey wrote: I hope it's not just a Finale version of Sibelius's Scorch, which is fine for playing and viewing files but not for creating or editing them. Playing, viewing, printing in the version released now. MM has been pretty clear about this since NAMM. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts
Thanks, Chuck, they came through great and I like them as an alternative to the jazz font! Michael mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Chord Symbol Fonts Michael, List protocol forbids attachements to emails, so there needs to be another way to do this. I'd think that Nick Carter would have something available on his NPC Imaging site, since he is selling the fonts. Meanwhile, I will send a pdf to your email, and you are welcome to visit here in SE Portland, if there are other things you'd like to see. Chuck On May 30, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Michael Mathew wrote: Chuck, Greetings! Is it possible you could send the pdf to the group? I have wanted to see the font in actual use and have some trouble coming up with the necessary money to purchase. Actually seeing the fonts in action might help me settle the matter! Thanks, Michael mmathew_musicp...@yahoo.com http://www.musicengravers.com/cgi-bin/engravers.pl http://oregonmts.com/mathew/ _ Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is designed as a music viewing and performance tool. -- Justin Phillips Portfolio Manager - Notation Products MakeMusic, Inc 763-772-3964 On 5/31/12 12:59 PM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: There's a Finale app? I checked the iTunes App store this morning and there was nothing that turned up when I entered Finale in the search bar. Too bad there's no editing. What's it called? David H. Bailey On 5/31/2012 7:10 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: On 2012-05-31 12:36, David H. Bailey wrote: I hope it's not just a Finale version of Sibelius's Scorch, which is fine for playing and viewing files but not for creating or editing them. Playing, viewing, printing in the version released now. MM has been pretty clear about this since NAMM. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
On 5/31/2012 2:30 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote: It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is designed as a music viewing and performance tool. Thanks for the clarification -- any chance of there being editing capabilities added soon? Or even possibly a whole new app for notation? There are so many musicians who are using iPads for mobile musical work that I think Finale could gain a whole new marketplace should you add a notation app. Notion is alright as far as it goes but it's too much like the PC/Mac Notion program for my tastes. And Symphony Pro also is alright as far as it goes, but it, too, has severe limitations for those of us used to the capabilities of Finale and Sibelius. And I've heard nothing from Sibelius about the possibility of a notation app, so the marketplace is wide open for Finale to capture. I'd even buy a new iPad to replace my original iPad if Finale came out with a notation app which required the increased RAM and the better processing and graphics capabilities of the new iPad. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
If that is all it does then it isnt going to do well. It should at least have basic transposition of music. If I wanted a music viewer, I'd stick with forscore. Performance tool? Is it going to use those excellent sound fonts that finale uses? I mean the non garritan sounds? Then I'd totally pass on this app. I'd want basic editing in a finale app. And support for hooking up a music keyboard to it. Sent from my iSomething -- On May 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Phillips, Justin jphill...@makemusic.com wrote: It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is designed as a music viewing and performance tool. -- Justin Phillips Portfolio Manager - Notation Products MakeMusic, Inc 763-772-3964 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
I foresee editing as a separate app with a totally different feature set. While I can't comment now on future plans regarding mobile, I can definitely say it's on my radar. -- Justin Phillips Portfolio Manager - Notation Products MakeMusic, Inc 763-772-3964 On 5/31/12 2:29 PM, Eric Dannewitz ericd...@jazz-sax.com wrote: If that is all it does then it isnt going to do well. It should at least have basic transposition of music. If I wanted a music viewer, I'd stick with forscore. Performance tool? Is it going to use those excellent sound fonts that finale uses? I mean the non garritan sounds? Then I'd totally pass on this app. I'd want basic editing in a finale app. And support for hooking up a music keyboard to it. Sent from my iSomething -- On May 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Phillips, Justin jphill...@makemusic.com wrote: It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is designed as a music viewing and performance tool. -- Justin Phillips Portfolio Manager - Notation Products MakeMusic, Inc 763-772-3964 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
On 5/31/2012 4:55 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote: I foresee editing as a separate app with a totally different feature set. While I can't comment now on future plans regarding mobile, I can definitely say it's on my radar. Excellent -- I look forward to the day that such an app gets released! :-) -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
At 1:30 PM -0500 5/31/12, Phillips, Justin wrote: It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is designed as a music viewing and performance tool. -- Justin Phillips Portfolio Manager - Notation Products Viewing and performance, but not entering or editing? That seems to be what a few folks are looking for. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music School of Performing Arts Cinema College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences 290 College Ave., Blacksburg, Virginia 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html Machen Sie es, wie Sie wollen, machen Sie es nur schön. (Do it as you like, just make it beautiful!) --Johannes Brahms ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
You sure expect a lot for FREE. They will get there, just let them get started. Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Dannewitz [ericd...@jazz-sax.com] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 2:29 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2013 If that is all it does then it isnt going to do well. It should at least have basic transposition of music. If I wanted a music viewer, I'd stick with forscore. Performance tool? Is it going to use those excellent sound fonts that finale uses? I mean the non garritan sounds? Then I'd totally pass on this app. I'd want basic editing in a finale app. And support for hooking up a music keyboard to it. Sent from my iSomething -- On May 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Phillips, Justin jphill...@makemusic.com wrote: It's been submitted to Apple and we're waiting on approval, which shouldn't be much longer. The app is called Finale SongBook, and is designed as a music viewing and performance tool. -- Justin Phillips Portfolio Manager - Notation Products MakeMusic, Inc 763-772-3964 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2013
Have you seen what a majority of free apps do on iOS? For a viewer of finale files, it should be free. Sent from my iSomething -- On May 31, 2012, at 7:45 PM, Fiskum, Steve fisk...@jspaluch.com wrote: You sure expect a lot for FREE. They will get there, just let them get started. Steve ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
