[Finale] Clefs in linked parts
Is it really true that the clef in a part can't be unlinked from the clef in the score? There's a legitimate need for this, e.g., a bassoon or trombone staff shared by 2 parts, both of which in the score are in tenor clef (to save space), but the lower voice in the part should be in bass clef (for readability). Not that common, but when you need it, you need it. And what about a passage using 8va in the score, but written at pitch in the part? This sometimes happens in high flute and violin parts. Is this possible? -Lee Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Clefs in linked parts
All of them require workarounds. The 8va thing I would to with an octave transposing staff style (in the part). For different clefs on a shared staff, you could try changing the instrument of the part only. That, or using a transposing staff style that imposes the clef you want. Many times I have to use staff styles to hide/show clefs or put in clefs as expressions. On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Lee Actor lee.ac...@comcast.net wrote: Is it really true that the clef in a part can't be unlinked from the clef in the score? There's a legitimate need for this, e.g., a bassoon or trombone staff shared by 2 parts, both of which in the score are in tenor clef (to save space), but the lower voice in the part should be in bass clef (for readability). Not that common, but when you need it, you need it. And what about a passage using 8va in the score, but written at pitch in the part? This sometimes happens in high flute and violin parts. Is this possible? -Lee Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Question on chords
I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord markings that are new to me. Measure 1 is D9(flat) Measure 6 is E9(natural) This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. Carl -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question on chords
Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord. Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord markings that are new to me. Measure 1 is D9(flat) Measure 6 is E9(natural) This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. Carl -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question on chords
On 12/25/2012 9:07 PM, Don Hart wrote: Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord. Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart The Marke Winsten arrangement of Artistry in Rhythm. Not a bad chart, but very old fashioned notation. cd On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord markings that are new to me. Measure 1 is D9(flat) Measure 6 is E9(natural) This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. Carl -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question on chords
What do the parts tell you? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord. Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord markings that are new to me. Measure 1 is D9(flat) Measure 6 is E9(natural) This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. Carl -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question on chords
On 12/25/2012 9:09 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: What do the parts tell you? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. First one is a D9 - D, F#, A, C, Eb. D7(b9)? Second is an E9 - E, G#, B, D, F E7(b9)? Both have that b7, b9, but both have M3, so not minor 9 chords. Interesting notation, eh? On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord. Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord markings that are new to me. Measure 1 is D9(flat) Measure 6 is E9(natural) This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. Carl -- http://projectselene.com -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question on chords
Yeah...interesting indeed. Never seen that before. You've described the chords correctly as 7(b9), so why not go with what the parts are saying? Jim Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:49 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: On 12/25/2012 9:09 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: What do the parts tell you? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. First one is a D9 - D, F#, A, C, Eb. D7(b9)? Second is an E9 - E, G#, B, D, F E7(b9)? Both have that b7, b9, but both have M3, so not minor 9 chords. Interesting notation, eh? On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord. Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord markings that are new to me. Measure 1 is D9(flat) Measure 6 is E9(natural) This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. Carl -- http://projectselene.com -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question on chords
On 12/25/2012 9:54 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: Yeah...interesting indeed. Never seen that before. You've described the chords correctly as 7(b9), so why not go with what the parts are saying? Jim Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. Thanks, Jim. I appreciate the feedback. It's always useful to have a second opinion. cd On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:49 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: On 12/25/2012 9:09 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: What do the parts tell you? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. First one is a D9 - D, F#, A, C, Eb. D7(b9)? Second is an E9 - E, G#, B, D, F E7(b9)? Both have that b7, b9, but both have M3, so not minor 9 chords. Interesting notation, eh? On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord. Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord markings that are new to me. Measure 1 is D9(flat) Measure 6 is E9(natural) This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. Carl -- http://projectselene.com -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Question on chords
Sure...glad to help. I see some logic to it now--in D9(flat), the flat 9 is indeed flat--e flat. For E9(natural), the flat 9 is F natural. Still odd. ;-0 Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:03 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: On 12/25/2012 9:54 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: Yeah...interesting indeed. Never seen that before. You've described the chords correctly as 7(b9), so why not go with what the parts are saying? Jim Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. Thanks, Jim. I appreciate the feedback. It's always useful to have a second opinion. cd On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:49 AM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: On 12/25/2012 9:09 PM, Williams, Jim wrote: What do the parts tell you? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. First one is a D9 - D, F#, A, C, Eb. D7(b9)? Second is an E9 - E, G#, B, D, F E7(b9)? Both have that b7, b9, but both have M3, so not minor 9 chords. Interesting notation, eh? On Dec 26, 2012, at 12:07 AM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carl - I've never seen that either. My first guess would be that the 7th is assumed and the parenthesized comments concern the ninth in each chord. Which chart/arranger? - Don Hart On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 9:42 PM, dershem ders...@cox.net wrote: I'm putting an old Kenton chart into Finale (always have a safety copy in case some bozo loses or destroys a part!) and have found some chord markings that are new to me. Measure 1 is D9(flat) Measure 6 is E9(natural) This might be how it was done back in the day, but .. how would these be marked now? Is it D9(b???) D7(b9)??? Ummm... new to me. Any relevant thoughts would be appreciated. Carl -- http://projectselene.com -- http://projectselene.com === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18500) http://www.pctools.com/ === ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
