Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
Completely agree. I remember having problems with AutoSave and backups way back in version 2, when the system would lock up while it was saving, and I think we had virtually this same discussion soon after I joined the list about 15 years ago, probably regarding Fin3.7 or 2001, and that's why I never use it. I might be wrong but ISTR the problem is connected with temporary files not being deleted. As said before, the best thing is to get into the habit of saving manually. Peter From: Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave Hi John, I have not been able to get AutoSave to work correctly either. It doesn’t cause crashes, but something in my system (I’m guessing either SmartScroll - an app that allows incremental horizontal scrolling with arrow keys, or the software for my Logitech mouse) i interfering with it. I can get it to work when I restart everything and set it up, but it soon (haven’t figured out when) just stops working. It has not caused any crashes and I am finding 2014d to be pretty stable. Nevertheless, Command S is becoming a habit. Chuck On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:38 AM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? *when This seems to happen to me and I'm wondering if that's the case or whether I might not have set AutoSave up correctly. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
That was a thought I had too - that the file might be directed to save somewhere I had not intentionally directed it, but this is not the problem I am having. I have checked it multiple times. The strange thing is that I can get it to work by restarting the computer and setting up AutoSave again. Then it works for a while. Again, I haven’t figured out what stops it from working. And another thing is that when I move to another piece, the AutoSave files from the first piece are gone. (In 2012 they used to remain in the folder until I deleted them.) Deeply mysterious to me. Chuck On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com wrote: I suggest making sure the folder in Program Options is the one you think it is, and that autosave is enabled. I remember having to fiddle with this in Fin14. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:36 PM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Thank you all for the input. It has seemed to me that AutoSave works differently in 2014 than it did before. When I've needed it the folder is empty. I'm usually pretty good with save-as-you-go, but every once in a while I space out, and that's when trouble seems to happen! JR On 2/17/15 4:27 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi John, I have not been able to get AutoSave to work correctly either. It doesn’t cause crashes, but something in my system (I’m guessing either SmartScroll - an app that allows incremental horizontal scrolling with arrow keys, or the software for my Logitech mouse) i interfering with it. I can get it to work when I restart everything and set it up, but it soon (haven’t figured out when) just stops working. It has not caused any crashes and I am finding 2014d to be pretty stable. Nevertheless, Command S is becoming a habit. Chuck On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:38 AM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? *when This seems to happen to me and I'm wondering if that's the case or whether I might not have set AutoSave up correctly. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
Thank you all for the input. It has seemed to me that AutoSave works differently in 2014 than it did before. When I've needed it the folder is empty. I'm usually pretty good with save-as-you-go, but every once in a while I space out, and that's when trouble seems to happen! JR On 2/17/15 4:27 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi John, I have not been able to get AutoSave to work correctly either. It doesn’t cause crashes, but something in my system (I’m guessing either SmartScroll - an app that allows incremental horizontal scrolling with arrow keys, or the software for my Logitech mouse) i interfering with it. I can get it to work when I restart everything and set it up, but it soon (haven’t figured out when) just stops working. It has not caused any crashes and I am finding 2014d to be pretty stable. Nevertheless, Command S is becoming a habit. Chuck On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:38 AM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? *when This seems to happen to me and I'm wondering if that's the case or whether I might not have set AutoSave up correctly. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
I suggest making sure the folder in Program Options is the one you think it is, and that autosave is enabled. I remember having to fiddle with this in Fin14. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:36 PM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Thank you all for the input. It has seemed to me that AutoSave works differently in 2014 than it did before. When I've needed it the folder is empty. I'm usually pretty good with save-as-you-go, but every once in a while I space out, and that's when trouble seems to happen! JR On 2/17/15 4:27 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Hi John, I have not been able to get AutoSave to work correctly either. It doesn’t cause crashes, but something in my system (I’m guessing either SmartScroll - an app that allows incremental horizontal scrolling with arrow keys, or the software for my Logitech mouse) i interfering with it. I can get it to work when I restart everything and set it up, but it soon (haven’t figured out when) just stops working. It has not caused any crashes and I am finding 2014d to be pretty stable. Nevertheless, Command S is becoming a habit. Chuck On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:38 AM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? *when This seems to happen to me and I'm wondering if that's the case or whether I might not have set AutoSave up correctly. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
I had started the thread on AutoSave and I just got a new one. The message: The file could not be Autosaved. This file doesn't exist. That's the file I am just working on, and had done a Save As to this name. I tracked this down to an illegal filename character (slash), from an old system of naming files I was still using. Finale will open, work with, and save files with a slash in the name, but not autosave. I should have said before, I'm on an iMac, OSX Yosemite, Finale 2014d. The autosave file is deleted when the parent file is closed (as Chuck says, this seems to be new in 2014). I tried to simulate a crash by force-quitting Finale. When I reopened Finale the active file opened when I started the program, with changes that I had not manually saved but were in the asv file. This would seem to be how it's designed to work. I got the same result forcing a crash by manually shutting off the computer - the file opened as it had been autosaved. If I had crashed after doing a number of changes I didn't want to keep I would go find the .bak backup file. This seems to be a good reason to check the Make Backups When Saving Files prefs option. So autosave is now a fully automatic function. If a file has been autosaved, that's what opens after a crash; you can't open an asv file as such. If you close your original, the asv goes too. If you inadvertently close it, too bad. And so to bed... JR ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Corrupt file
There is a program PDFtomusic Pro that I use. It only works on PDFs created from inside a notation program, not on scans. If you privately email me the file, I can export a MusicXML file and send it back to you. It is by no means perfect, but it helps quite a bit. C On Tue Feb 17, at TuesdayFeb 17 10:18 AM, Barbara Touburg wrote: Dear list, I have a file (violin and harp) which had 13 pages. I've lost almost everything. Finale said: unable to write *.bak file. What has happened? I'm baffled. Is there a way to convert a pdf back to notation? It is very complicated music and I've had a lot of work. LOST! Help? Thanks! Barbara NL ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Corrupt file
And saving the file with another name? Gerardo Delgado Músico Enviado desde el celular -Original Message- From: Barbara Touburg btoub...@online.nl Sender: finale-boun...@shsu.edu Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:16:41 To: finale@shsu.edu Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Corrupt file On 17-2-2015 17:01, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: The error you refer to is Finale unable to write a backup file, not your main .mus file. I know. Why does this error corrupt my *.mus file? Are your preferences pointing to a drive or folder that no longer exists? No. The folder exists. Or it could be a preferences issue for that folder or disk, if you’re on a Mac. I'm on Windows 7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Corrupt file
On 17-2-2015 17:25, Gerardo Delgado wrote: And saving the file with another name? I'm afraid the music is really gone. :( ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Corrupt file
Dear list, I have a file (violin and harp) which had 13 pages. I've lost almost everything. Finale said: unable to write *.bak file. What has happened? I'm baffled. Is there a way to convert a pdf back to notation? It is very complicated music and I've had a lot of work. LOST! Help? Thanks! Barbara NL ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Corrupt file
The error you refer to is Finale unable to write a backup file, not your main .mus file. Are your preferences pointing to a drive or folder that no longer exists? Or it could be a preferences issue for that folder or disk, if you’re on a Mac. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:18 AM, Barbara Touburg btoub...@online.nl wrote: Dear list, I have a file (violin and harp) which had 13 pages. I've lost almost everything. Finale said: unable to write *.bak file. What has happened? I'm baffled. Is there a way to convert a pdf back to notation? It is very complicated music and I've had a lot of work. LOST! Help? Thanks! Barbara NL ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Corrupt file
On 17-2-2015 17:01, j...@thomastudios.com wrote: The error you refer to is Finale unable to write a backup file, not your main .mus file. I know. Why does this error corrupt my *.mus file? Are your preferences pointing to a drive or folder that no longer exists? No. The folder exists. Or it could be a preferences issue for that folder or disk, if you’re on a Mac. I'm on Windows 7. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
On 17-2-2015 20:38, John Roberts wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? *when This seems to happen to me and I'm wondering if that's the case or whether I might not have set AutoSave up correctly. Now that you mention it, Finale crashed a few times when working on this file. Every time the file wasn't damaged after the crash. You might be right that the autosave might be related to the vanished music, but I've made it a habit (years ago already) to ctrl-s every few minutes. By the way, I'm using FinWin97 on Windows 7. I really don't understand what went wrong! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
I have not had that problem (MacFin14). I have the autosave interval at 10 mins and it frequently saves me. I do direct it to a different directory than the default. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:38 PM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? *when This seems to happen to me and I'm wondering if that's the case or whether I might not have set AutoSave up correctly. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
On Tue, February 17, 2015 2:38 pm, John Roberts wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? I've never had this kind of crash, but no matter. It could happen. I save *incremental numbered versions* at every point where recreating all my work is going to be more trouble than Save as Finale files are relatively small compared with disk drive space. A recent complex client score had numbers [Filename]0001 through [Filename]1487 -- and took less than 2GB to hold them all. They were saved between 1 and 6 minutes apart. Incremental saves give me a revert point if I make a serious error and also protect against losing work due to crashes, cats, or stupidity. I believe Mac requires some mousing, but on Windows my fingers are trained for those 18 keystrokes: ALT, F, A, END, LEFT ARRO (x5), BCKSPC (x4), 4 new digits, ENTER. Incremental file saved, work continues safely. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? *when This seems to happen to me and I'm wondering if that's the case or whether I might not have set AutoSave up correctly. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
Can't say about autosave with the update (before yes) but FINMAC 2014d (is it?) still displays aberrant behavior (including the occasional crash) with inertia scrolling enabled. I slowed it down and no crash so far but that is not a final assessment. GJB From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave On Tue, February 17, 2015 2:38 pm, John Roberts wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? I've never had this kind of crash, but no matter. It could happen. I save *incremental numbered versions* at every point where recreating all my work is going to be more trouble than Save as Finale files are relatively small compared with disk drive space. A recent complex client score had numbers [Filename]0001 through [Filename]1487 -- and took less than 2GB to hold them all. They were saved between 1 and 6 minutes apart. Incremental saves give me a revert point if I make a serious error and also protect against losing work due to crashes, cats, or stupidity. I believe Mac requires some mousing, but on Windows my fingers are trained for those 18 keystrokes: ALT, F, A, END, LEFT ARRO (x5), BCKSPC (x4), 4 new digits, ENTER. Incremental file saved, work continues safely. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
I have never, ever invoked any kind of Auto-Save in any Mac application. Cmd-S is so ingrained in my grey matter and workflow that anything automated just gets in my way. Almost like those asinine thingies insurance companies want to you plug into the ODB port on our cars. But I digress, big time. I agree with Dennis and do something similar only he does it far more frequently than I do. In thinking about his, I may go so far as to do it with greater frequency. But if I have encountered any file issues, and I have, at the very most I have only lost about 15 minutes of my time. I am much more comfortable with that than any Auto-Save can muster. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:54 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz bath...@maltedmedia.com wrote: I save *incremental numbered versions* at every point where recreating all my work is going to be more trouble than Save as Finale files are relatively small compared with disk drive space. A recent complex client score had numbers [Filename]0001 through [Filename]1487 -- and took less than 2GB to hold them all. They were saved between 1 and 6 minutes apart. Incremental saves give me a revert point if I make a serious error and also protect against losing work due to crashes, cats, or stupidity. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Crashes and AutoSave
Hi John, I have not been able to get AutoSave to work correctly either. It doesn’t cause crashes, but something in my system (I’m guessing either SmartScroll - an app that allows incremental horizontal scrolling with arrow keys, or the software for my Logitech mouse) i interfering with it. I can get it to work when I restart everything and set it up, but it soon (haven’t figured out when) just stops working. It has not caused any crashes and I am finding 2014d to be pretty stable. Nevertheless, Command S is becoming a habit. Chuck On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:38 AM, John Roberts an...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Am I right that if* Finale 2014 crashes, as well as losing the file you're working on the AutoSave file disappears as well? *when This seems to happen to me and I'm wondering if that's the case or whether I might not have set AutoSave up correctly. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu Chuck Israels cisra...@comcast.net mailto:cisra...@comcast.net (360) 201-3434 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland Or 97202 chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
