Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

If you do go back to Fin14, it's worth remembering that you can fire up
Fin14.5 at any time and work on the same file without conversion. You may
want to consider doing this when you get to preparing linked parts. Fin14.5
has some crucial bug fixes in that area.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Randolph Peters 
wrote:

> First impressions of 2014.5 on a Mac (Yosemite)
>
> 1. Special Tools Window doesn’t remember my placement on another monitor,
> although Main Tools, Smart Shapes and Playback Windows do.
>
> 2. Extra large tool size not remembered in preferences.
>
> 3. TGTools align dynamics and hairpins with the special keys does not
> work. (It might have worked once, but no more!)
>
> This last one is a deal breaker for me. I’m going back to 2014 until this
> is fixed.
>
> At least the files still open without a problem going back to 2014.
>
> -Randolph Peters
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Re: [Finale] Update: Info on JW Plug-ins & TG Tools

[Chuck Israels]

JW Space empty rests is broken in 2014.5 and I can confirm that TG Tools 
Align/Move dynamics does not respond to the keyboard commands after the first 
time it is invoked.

This is painful.  I had hoped for more stability and functionality, not less.

Chuck


> On Nov 18, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Dean Rosenthal  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Sorry for the repeated posts. This page on Facebook has information about
> the Plug-ins: https://www.facebook.com/jwpluginsforfinale/
> 
> I went back to the Finale.nu site and downloaded one much more recent
> Plug-in – and all is well. So, that's good.
> 
> Check out the Facebook page for information. These Plug-ins have been
> invaluable and I am sure they will work well far into the future.
> 
> Thanks for your patience.
> 
> Dean
> 
> 
> 
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[Finale] Update: Info on JW Plug-ins

[Dean Rosenthal]

Hi all,

Sorry for the repeated posts. This page on Facebook has information about
the Plug-ins: https://www.facebook.com/jwpluginsforfinale/

I went back to the Finale.nu site and downloaded one much more recent
Plug-in – and all is well. So, that's good.

Check out the Facebook page for information. These Plug-ins have been
invaluable and I am sure they will work well far into the future.

Thanks for your patience.

Dean



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[Finale] Update: JW Plugins Crash 2014.5

[Dean Rosenthal]

Hi all –

Still interested in getting input from all about JW-Plugins. Had my first
2014.5 crash from attempting use of one of the plug-ins. Man. I've opened
2014.5 just three times. Honeymoon's over, I guess. I thought this update
would be more stable. Should we start talking about going back to 2014d?

Dean

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[Finale] JW Plug-ins Not Working in 2014.5

[Dean Rosenthal]

Hi,

Anyone else having issues with JW Plug-ins in 2014.5? Note Spacing and
others don't seem to be working normally. For example, on Note Spacing, the
first use works, after that, there is no pop-up window, nothing.

I checked Expand Region and others, something doesn't seem right, either. I
like that set of Plug-ins quite a bit. I do hope there's something to be
done. Obviously the release is about Finale and not whether JW Plug-ins are
compatible, but it would be unusual to ignore the possibility.

I'm working on Mac, 10.9.5. I copied the JW Plug-ins from the 2014 folder
to the 2014.5 folder, so that's how I installed them...all help appreciated.

Dean

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[Finale] Finale 2014.5

[Randolph Peters]

First impressions of 2014.5 on a Mac (Yosemite)

1. Special Tools Window doesn’t remember my placement on another monitor, 
although Main Tools, Smart Shapes and Playback Windows do.

2. Extra large tool size not remembered in preferences.

3. TGTools align dynamics and hairpins with the special keys does not work. (It 
might have worked once, but no more!)

This last one is a deal breaker for me. I’m going back to 2014 until this is 
fixed.

At least the files still open without a problem going back to 2014.

-Randolph Peters
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

My comments below


On 11/18/2015 9:40 AM, Jan Angermüller wrote:
>
> Have you checked the HP settings for portamento/chromatic gliss ?
> Maybe they changed the default setting ? But I can't believe that you
> open a file that was set to chromatic gliss now automatically becomes a
> portamento. At least it should be easy to change in the HP settings
> (HP->Glissandi/Bends->Type: Chromatic).

You are correct.  The setting was "automatic"  Evidently the handling 
for "automatic" changed.  I set it to "chromatic" and it plans as 
before, which is preferable in this case.  Thanks for that tip.

One of the bug fixes involved the criss-crossed use of two different 
MIDI controllers (I think these affected volume and not pitch), so it 
seems they were in that area of code at least to some extent.


>> but they didn't fix the main HP bugs
>> that have to do with note-on/off timing.
> I haven't tested it myself yet. But if they didn't fix the long known
> note-on/off bug that accidentally skips notes in playback,

I would agree.  I have not tested this personally and am relying on a 
(reliable) user who posted at the Finale forum.

The reality here is that this is essentially a new company and mostly a 
new set of developers inheriting a huge and quite complex code base. 
Having done that a few times in my career, I can tell you this is really 
scary.  Coincidentally, Sibelius was in exactly the same position.  The 
Sibelius people opted to not touch the main code and to put out a "7.5" 
that was almost entirely cosmetic.  It was a "statement of support" but 
not real support.

The Finale people wanted to demonstrate something a little more 
substantial, and took an extra 18 months for that.

I can't say which strategy was correct.  The fact is that there are 
still big bugs needing fixes and important improvements needed.  At this 
stage we have more evidence that the Finale people can make improvements 
than we have from the Sibelius people.  But if we are looking at another 
18 months before the next set of bug fixes, that will be really 
disappointing.

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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

10.11.2 Beta (15C40a)

The lite version is available and working for me.

Steve P.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:45, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> Steve (Parker) are you running 10.11?
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
>> To confirm.. i had thought I was clicking 2014.5 but repeatedly downloaded
>> the wrong files. Now I’ve downloaded 2014.5 it all works.
>> 
>> Steve (Parker not Fiskum)
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Robert Patterson 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure
>> you
>>> restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
>>> guarantee you the issue is something basic.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Robert,
 
 I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
 pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it
>> was
 correct. Still not able to access.
 
 Steve
 
> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
 rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> 
> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the
>> case
 if
> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
 plugin
> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive
>> called
> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as
 big
> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to
>> the
> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker 
 wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty
>> folders.
>> Odd.
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Robert,
>>> 
>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see
>> anything
>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
 Utilities"
>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are
>> dated
>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steve
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
 
 For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
 for
 Finale 2014.5.
 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker >> 
>> wrote:
> 
> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
 empty.
>> Are
> they there for you?
> 
> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main
>> tool
> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
>> tools
> hidden.
> 
> Steve P.
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels 
 wrote:
>> 
>> So far, so good.
>> 
>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>> 
>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>> 
>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
>> Files
> and Plugins.
>> 
>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>> 
>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and
>> Plugins
>> will
> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>> 
>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
>> color
> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
>> affects
> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone
 else
> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular
 color
> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck Israels
>> cisra...@comcast.net 
>> (360) 201-3434
>> 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Fiskum, Steve]

All is well. All of your plug-ins seem to be working now.

Thanks,
Steve (F)



On 11/18/15 8:51 AM, "Robert Patterson" 
wrote:

>Steve (Fiskum): Are the Lite versions that ship with Finale available?


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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

Steve (Fiskum): Are the Lite versions that ship with Finale available?

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Robert Patterson <
rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:

> Steve (Parker) are you running 10.11?
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:
>
>> To confirm.. i had thought I was clicking 2014.5 but repeatedly
>> downloaded the wrong files. Now I’ve downloaded 2014.5 it all works.
>>
>> Steve (Parker not Fiskum)
>>
>> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Robert Patterson 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure
>> you
>> > restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
>> > guarantee you the issue is something basic.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hello Robert,
>> >>
>> >> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
>> >> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it
>> was
>> >> correct. Still not able to access.
>> >>
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
>> >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the
>> case
>> >> if
>> >>> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
>> >> plugin
>> >>> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive
>> called
>> >>> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice
>> as
>> >> big
>> >>> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to
>> the
>> >>> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>  On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>  Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty
>> folders.
>>  Odd.
>> 
>>  Steve P.
>> 
>> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Robert,
>> >
>> > I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see
>> anything
>>  other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
>> >> Utilities"
>>  and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>>  prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are
>> dated
>>  Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>> > Any ideas?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Steve
>> >
>> >> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>>  rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
>> >> for
>> >> Finale 2014.5.
>> >>
>> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker <
>> st...@pinkrat.co.uk>
>>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
>> >> empty.
>>  Are
>> >>> they there for you?
>> >>>
>> >>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main
>> tool
>> >>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with
>> lower
>>  tools
>> >>> hidden.
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve P.
>> >>>
>>  On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels 
>> >> wrote:
>> 
>>  So far, so good.
>> 
>>  Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>> 
>>  Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>> 
>>  Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop -
>> FAN
>>  Files
>> >>> and Plugins.
>> 
>>  Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>> 
>>  Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and
>> Plugins
>>  will
>> >>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>> 
>>  One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the
>> manuscript
>>  color
>> >>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and
>> it
>>  affects
>> >>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
>> >>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone
>> >> else
>> >>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular
>> >> color
>> >>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>> 
>>  Thanks,
>> 
>>  Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Chuck Israels
>>  cisra...@comcast.net 
>>  (360) 201-3434
>> 
>>  8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>  Portland Or 97202
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Jan Angermüller]

> In 2014, it plays distinct
> notes in that run, which is how the flute will sound.  In 2014.5, it is
> a portamento.  That's OK for this project.  Anyway, my point is that
> they did something in that area,
Have you checked the HP settings for portamento/chromatic gliss ?
Maybe they changed the default setting ? But I can't believe that you 
open a file that was set to chromatic gliss now automatically becomes a 
portamento. At least it should be easy to change in the HP settings 
(HP->Glissandi/Bends->Type: Chromatic).

> but they didn't fix the main HP bugs
> that have to do with note-on/off timing.
I haven't tested it myself yet. But if they didn't fix the long known 
note-on/off bug that accidentally skips notes in playback, this would be 
a pretty bad priority list for bug fixing: playback would still not be 
working properly.

Jan
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

Steve (Parker) are you running 10.11?

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> To confirm.. i had thought I was clicking 2014.5 but repeatedly downloaded
> the wrong files. Now I’ve downloaded 2014.5 it all works.
>
> Steve (Parker not Fiskum)
>
> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Robert Patterson 
> wrote:
> >
> > What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure
> you
> > restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
> > guarantee you the issue is something basic.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Robert,
> >>
> >> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
> >> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it
> was
> >> correct. Still not able to access.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
> >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the
> case
> >> if
> >>> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
> >> plugin
> >>> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive
> called
> >>> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as
> >> big
> >>> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to
> the
> >>> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty
> folders.
>  Odd.
> 
>  Steve P.
> 
> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Robert,
> >
> > I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see
> anything
>  other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
> >> Utilities"
>  and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>  prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are
> dated
>  Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> >
> >> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>  rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
> >> for
> >> Finale 2014.5.
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker  >
>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
> >> empty.
>  Are
> >>> they there for you?
> >>>
> >>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main
> tool
> >>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
>  tools
> >>> hidden.
> >>>
> >>> Steve P.
> >>>
>  On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  So far, so good.
> 
>  Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> 
>  Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> 
>  Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
>  Files
> >>> and Plugins.
> 
>  Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> 
>  Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and
> Plugins
>  will
> >>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> 
>  One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
>  color
> >>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
>  affects
> >>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> >>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone
> >> else
> >>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular
> >> color
> >>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
>  Chuck
> 
> 
> 
>  Chuck Israels
>  cisra...@comcast.net 
>  (360) 201-3434
> 
>  8831 SE 12th Ave.
>  Portland Or 97202
> 
>  
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

To confirm.. i had thought I was clicking 2014.5 but repeatedly downloaded the 
wrong files. Now I’ve downloaded 2014.5 it all works.

Steve (Parker not Fiskum)

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 14:16, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure you
> restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
> guarantee you the issue is something basic.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Robert,
>> 
>> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
>> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it was
>> correct. Still not able to access.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case
>> if
>>> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
>> plugin
>>> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
>>> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as
>> big
>>> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
>>> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker 
>> wrote:
 
 Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
 Odd.
 
 Steve P.
 
> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
> Hello Robert,
> 
> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
 other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
>> Utilities"
 and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
 prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
 Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
 rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
>> for
>> Finale 2014.5.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker 
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
>> empty.
 Are
>>> they there for you?
>>> 
>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
 tools
>>> hidden.
>>> 
>>> Steve P.
>>> 
 On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels 
>> wrote:
 
 So far, so good.
 
 Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
 
 Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
 
 Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
 Files
>>> and Plugins.
 
 Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
 
 Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
 will
>>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
 
 One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
 color
>>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
 affects
>>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
>>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone
>> else
>>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular
>> color
>>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
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Re: [Finale] Superficial comment on Finale 2014.5

[Craig Parmerlee]

Yes, it is a mixed bag.  So far, the biggest problem I have seen is that 
it knocks out VST playback after doing an export to WAV.  I have to 
restart Finale to get sound going again.

They seemed to have done a few things affecting HP.  For example I am 
working on an arrangement where the flutes gliss an octave, so I notated 
this with the straight line smartshape.  In 2014, it plays distinct 
notes in that run, which is how the flute will sound.  In 2014.5, it is 
a portamento.  That's OK for this project.  Anyway, my point is that 
they did something in that area, but they didn't fix the main HP bugs 
that have to do with note-on/off timing.

The good news is that the new team is able to make some changes that are 
more than superficial without completely ruining the product, so they 
should be in a position to fix more of the bugs.




On 11/18/2015 2:05 AM, Dave Lang wrote:
> I don’t understand how things like this get rolled out in 2015. We were 
> laughing about it when I was still working in tech back in 1992. 
> Disconcerting. Like a trumpet player who shows up without any valve oil.
>
> I’m happy the update was released.  While this version has introduced new 
> bugs, it did squash some others that directly affected me every time I worked 
> on a file.

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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

What are the file sizes on the ones in the plugin folder? Are you sure you
restarted Finale? I apologize for asking such basic questions, but I
guarantee you the issue is something basic.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:

> Hello Robert,
>
> I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually
> pointed the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it was
> correct. Still not able to access.
>
> Steve
>
> > On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >
> > The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case
> if
> > you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5
> plugin
> > folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
> > "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as
> big
> > as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
> > Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
> >> Odd.
> >>
> >> Steve P.
> >>
> >>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Robert,
> >>>
> >>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
> >> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name
> Utilities"
> >> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
> >> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
> >> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Steve
> >>>
>  On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
> >> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> 
>  For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins
> for
>  Finale 2014.5.
> 
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker 
> >> wrote:
> >
> > Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but
> empty.
> >> Are
> > they there for you?
> >
> > The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
> > palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
> >> tools
> > hidden.
> >
> > Steve P.
> >
> >> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> So far, so good.
> >>
> >> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> >>
> >> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> >>
> >> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
> >> Files
> > and Plugins.
> >>
> >> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> >>
> >> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
> >> will
> > be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> >>
> >> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
> >> color
> > and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
> >> affects
> > the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> > important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone
> else
> > have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular
> color
> > adjustment seems rather finicky.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chuck Israels
> >> cisra...@comcast.net 
> >> (360) 201-3434
> >>
> >> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> >> Portland Or 97202
> >>
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Fiskum, Steve]

Hello Robert,

I've downloaded it twice. It came down as Fin14Mac.zip. I've manually pointed 
the program's preferences to the plugin folder even though it was correct. 
Still not able to access. 

Steve

> On Nov 18, 2015, at 7:40 AM, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case if
> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5 plugin
> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as big
> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:
>> 
>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
>> Odd.
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Robert,
>>> 
>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities"
>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steve
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
 
 For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
 Finale 2014.5.
 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker 
>> wrote:
> 
> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty.
>> Are
> they there for you?
> 
> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
>> tools
> hidden.
> 
> Steve P.
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> So far, so good.
>> 
>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>> 
>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>> 
>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
>> Files
> and Plugins.
>> 
>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>> 
>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
>> will
> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>> 
>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
>> color
> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
>> affects
> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck Israels
>> cisra...@comcast.net 
>> (360) 201-3434
>> 
>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>> Portland Or 97202
>> 
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[Finale] Finale 2014.5 quick first impression

[Robert Patterson]

I downloaded the official Fin14.5 for Mac, and I feel that a warning is in
order. If you don't have to upgrade to El Capitan, I would hold off.
There's a long-standing issue on Macs with modeless plugin dialogs that
causes the main dialog to lose focus. In just cursory trials with Fin14.5
this morning, it appears that the problem is now much worse and that any
dialog causes (or at least often causes) the main dialog to lose focus. You
can quite easily end up in a scenario where no window has focus. This may
not sound that bad to some, but it is probably a deal breaker for me, at
least during the heavy editing phase.

Another annoyance I am experiencing is that every time I open the program
it re-displays the simple palette and the playback controls. And it doesn't
remember my previous window position. If anyone knows a way to address
this, I'd appreciate it.

One of the nice things is that you can freely transition between Fin14d and
Fin14.5 while working on the same file.
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

I think I downloaded the wrong ones twice….

Steve P.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 13:42, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case if
> you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5 plugin
> folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
> "Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as big
> as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
> Fin12 versions that are around 1M.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:
> 
>> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
>> Odd.
>> 
>> Steve P.
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Robert,
>>> 
>>> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
>> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities"
>> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
>> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
>> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steve
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
>> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
 
 For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
 Finale 2014.5.
 
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker 
>> wrote:
> 
> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty.
>> Are
> they there for you?
> 
> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
>> tools
> hidden.
> 
> Steve P.
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> So far, so good.
>> 
>> Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
>> 
>> Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
>> 
>> Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
>> Files
> and Plugins.
>> 
>> Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
>> 
>> Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
>> will
> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
>> 
>> One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
>> color
> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
>> affects
> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
> adjustment seems rather finicky.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Chuck Israels
>> cisra...@comcast.net 
>> (360) 201-3434
>> 
>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>> Portland Or 97202
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Robert Patterson]

The symptoms you are describing are exactly those that would be the case if
you had the Fin12 version of Patterson Plugins installed in the 14.5 plugin
folder. Please double check. The 14.5 version comes in an archive called
"Fin14Mac.zip" or "Fin14Win.zip". The mac versions are roughly twice as big
as the Fin12 mac versions. Most of them are around 2.2M as opposed to the
Fin12 versions that are around 1M.


On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Steve Parker  wrote:

> Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
> Odd.
>
> Steve P.
>
> > On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Robert,
> >
> > I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything
> other than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities"
> and "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown
> prefs, etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated
> Sept. 23, 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01.
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> >
> >> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
> >> Finale 2014.5.
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty.
> Are
> >>> they there for you?
> >>>
> >>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
> >>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower
> tools
> >>> hidden.
> >>>
> >>> Steve P.
> >>>
>  On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
>  So far, so good.
> 
>  Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
> 
>  Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
> 
>  Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN
> Files
> >>> and Plugins.
> 
>  Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
> 
>  Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins
> will
> >>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
> 
>  One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript
> color
> >>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it
> affects
> >>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
> >>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
> >>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
> >>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
> 
>  Thanks,
> 
>  Chuck
> 
> 
> 
>  Chuck Israels
>  cisra...@comcast.net 
>  (360) 201-3434
> 
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>  Portland Or 97202
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

Exactly the same for me. I’ve downloaded newest, but only empty folders.
Odd.

Steve P.

> On 18 Nov 2015, at 03:36, Fiskum, Steve  wrote:
> 
> Hello Robert,
> 
> I downloaded your latest version of the plugin and I don't see anything other 
> than a could of subsets called "multimeasured rests" "name Utilities" and 
> "staff sets" but no actual plugins to use. I've restarted, thrown prefs, 
> etc... When I look I the plugin folder all of the files are dated Sept. 23, 
> 2015. Mass Copy's version number is 5.01. 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Robert Patterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For Fin2014.5 you need to download the version of Patterson Plugins for
>> Finale 2014.5.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Patterson Plug-ins not showing for me. The folders show up, but empty. Are
>>> they there for you?
>>> 
>>> The other quirk with it is that I can’t seem to resize the main tool
>>> palette the way that I could before - in two columns but with lower tools
>>> hidden.
>>> 
>>> Steve P.
>>> 
 On 18 Nov 2015, at 00:31, Chuck Israels  wrote:
 
 So far, so good.
 
 Simple way to take care of FAN files and Plugins (Mac):
 
 Go to root level Library/ApplicationSupport/MakeMusic/Finale 2014
 
 Duplicate 2 folders and move them temporarily to the desktop - FAN Files
>>> and Plugins.
 
 Then move the duplicates into the App Support for 2014.5
 
 Quit and restart Finale 2014.5 and both Font Annotation and Plugins will
>>> be in the right place and work correctly.  Easy.
 
 One issue I have with preferences is that adjusting the manuscript color
>>> and the background color causes an interaction.  Adjust one, and it affects
>>> the other.  The manuscript color (I try for a nice ivory) is more
>>> important, so I am stuck with the default gray background.  Anyone else
>>> have a similar experience or know a workaround.  This particular color
>>> adjustment seems rather finicky.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chuck
 
 
 
 Chuck Israels
 cisra...@comcast.net 
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Re: [Finale] 2014.5

[Steve Parker]

> 1) Are there any experts in tuba trills here? I need to know if a trill from
> f# (4th line of the bass clef) to the g# above is workable.

Yes, absolutely fine.

Steve P.

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