Re: [Finale] Create multi-staff instrument

[Michael Edwards]

  Perhaps I can't comment directly on this issue as it's already 
emerged, but it does relate to an issue I expect to come up with my own 
work, but I just hadn't yet gathered what seemed like enough details to 
actually ask about it here yet.  But perhaps I might try to briefly 
indicate my problem, and hope someone can please help me, since the 
topic has come up.

  My issue is with piano music, and there are a few pieces I have 
which will briefly require 3 or 4 staves, although I use only 2 for 
maybe 95 percent of systems in piano music.  (And nothing I write 
requires more than two staves for the entire piece.)
  I think I found a utility for adding a staff, but there were two 
problems with it: Finale added the extra staff for all systems in the 
piece, not just the one or two where I wanted it; and the curly bracket 
at the start didn't lengthen to cover all staves, but just remained 
covering two staves it considered to be the original ones, and not the 
extra one or two.
  Are there easy solutions to this, please?
  Also, does creating an extra staff just for a couple of systems 
have implications if, as I edit the piece, repagination occurs and the 
distribution of bars on particular staves changes?  Do I have to plan 
for that, or will Finale look after it if the bars do later get 
rearranged automatically (or I rearrange them manually)?

  And, about previous suggestions already given in this thread: 
suggestions were given to rename a part to another instrument - but 
would that cause the playback to switch to the renamed instrument, or 
would it continue to play back as the original instrument?  (As I think 
I once said before, correct notation is paramount for me, but I do want 
to preserve accurate playback if that can be catered for in addition.)
  And also a distinction was made between extra staves for a single 
instrument and a "group" as solutions to Dennis's problem, and I don't 
really understand that.  I've read a bit about it in the help pages, but 
didn't find it very clear.
  Would either of these matters already mentioned in the thread help 
my problem, as stated above?
  Thank you.

Michael, Edwards.


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Re: [Finale] trill

[Michael Wittenburg]

Harold,


Under the articulation tool, there are actually four different trill signs, 
including trill-to-flat, natural, and sharp upper note I tested these just now, 
and each one plays back differently, as I suspected. I even forced a 
trill-to-unison by attacking a B-natural with a trill-flat sign.


If you're looking for quarter-tone trills, that's something I can't answer; 
hopefully this helps!


Michael


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From: Haroldo Mauro 
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:28 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] trill

How do I force a trill to use a semitone during playback?
Harold

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Re: [Finale] Create multi-staff instrument

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

jef,

Thanks for the info.

I found the file on Windows, but don't have any version of SQL installed. And
yes, the staff name abbreviations are always needing to be changed.

It would seem like such an easy addition -- a 'number of staves' column.

Workarounds, then.

Thanks again,
Dennis




On Sat, October 14, 2017 8:43 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>
> i think the max # of staves for a single instrument is 3 (organ).
> these things are defined in the instrument database, which i fiddled
> with several years back.  on mac, you had to ctl-click the programme
> icon, as i recall.  and select "show package contents".  somewhere
> there was a file that could be opened and edited with certain
> database software programmes (like mysql).  i did it to correct
> errors in finale's databases -- i think it was that bass trombone was
> set as a transposing instrument, and some other small things that i
> felt needed to be corrected.  also i wanted to redefine the
> abbreviated names.  but since this would have to be done for each new
> version of the programme, i decided it was easier to live with the
> errors, since most of them i would almost never, if at all, come
> across, and to manually edit abbr. staff names...
>
> but if you decide to go for it, you will need to edit the database
> (appearance) and ensembles definitions.
>
> in the case of one piece with a 6-stave piano part, i would *never*
> bother with these kinds of hacks, easiest to just define it as a
> group.


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Re: [Finale] trill

[hmauro]

I actually tried to edit the smart shape itself but did not succeed. I  
also tried a "Smart Playback" plugin from TGTools. I got the semitone,  
but the trill sounded to fast, unatural, and I couldn't figure out how  
to adjust the speed. Will try again today.
Thank you!

Harold



Quoting dhbaile...@comcast.net:

> Can't you create a new smart-shape by duplicating the current trill  
> and then defining playback differently?  I'm not near my computer so  
> I can't test that idea.
>
> =
> David H. Bailey
> dhbaile...@comcast.net
>
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
>>
>> Thanks! It does work well, yes. I was using the trill from Smart  
>> Shapes, because you can make it last for more than one measure by  
>> extending the trill line. Apparently that is not possible with the  
>> Articulation trill, since it  has no extending line. I want the  
>> trill on a note that is tied to the next measure. The  
>> (articulation)  trill stops when it gets to the tied note in the  
>> following measure.  I guess I could place a second trill over the  
>> tied note and hide the symbol. Is there a better way?
>> Harold
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 17:28, Michael Wittenburg  
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Harold,
>>>
>>> Under the articulation tool, there are actually four different  
>>> trill signs, including trill-to-flat, natural, and sharp upper  
>>> note I tested these just now, and each one plays back differently,  
>>> as I suspected. I even forced a trill-to-unison by attacking a  
>>> B-natural with a trill-flat sign.
>>>
>>> If you're looking for quarter-tone trills, that's something I  
>>> can't answer; hopefully this helps!
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Haroldo Mauro 
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:28 AM
>>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>>> Subject: [Finale] trill
>>>
>>> How do I force a trill to use a semitone during playback?
>>> Harold
>>
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Re: [Finale] trill

[dhbaile...@comcast.net]

Can't you create a new smart-shape by duplicating the current trill and then 
defining playback differently?  I'm not near my computer so I can't test that 
idea.

=
David H. Bailey
dhbaile...@comcast.net

> On Oct 14, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Haroldo Mauro  wrote:
> 
> Thanks! It does work well, yes. I was using the trill from Smart Shapes, 
> because you can make it last for more than one measure by extending the trill 
> line. Apparently that is not possible with the Articulation trill, since it  
> has no extending line. I want the trill on a note that is tied to the next 
> measure. The (articulation)  trill stops when it gets to the tied note in the 
> following measure.  I guess I could place a second trill over the tied note 
> and hide the symbol. Is there a better way?
> Harold
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 17:28, Michael Wittenburg  wrote:
>> 
>> Harold,
>> 
>> Under the articulation tool, there are actually four different trill signs, 
>> including trill-to-flat, natural, and sharp upper note I tested these just 
>> now, and each one plays back differently, as I suspected. I even forced a 
>> trill-to-unison by attacking a B-natural with a trill-flat sign. 
>> 
>> If you're looking for quarter-tone trills, that's something I can't answer; 
>> hopefully this helps!
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook
>> 
>> 
>> From: Haroldo Mauro 
>> Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 9:28 AM
>> To: finale@shsu.edu
>> Subject: [Finale] trill
>> 
>> How do I force a trill to use a semitone during playback? 
>> Harold
> 
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