Re: [Finale] Big band drum parts
Hi thank you for taking the time to respond in detail Cheers Martin Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Aug 2018, at 02:58, Christopher Smith > wrote: > > That seems right. > > I reserve layer 3 for cues above the staff, and I set Layer Options so that > Layer 3 is always stems up, ties up, and rests are displaced by 6 steps. I > make sure the option is selected that this happens even when the other layers > are empty. > > I reserve layer 4 for cues below the staff, Layer Options stems down for > Layer 4, ties down, and rests displaced by negative 6 steps. > > Layer 2 I use in choral parts and keyboard parts and stems down on drum parts > (not to mention paired instruments on staves) so I don’t want that for cues. > > You have to edit the Slash Notation staff style so that under Alternate > Notation you edit it to show items in other layers. Otherwise, out of the > box, Finale will NOT show anything else. I also add articulations and > expressions in other layers to be displayed, because those things need to > show, even in the drum part. > > I also like to Show Active Layer while in Layer 3, select the entire drum > staff, and Change Note Size to 75%. I do this only once the whole drum part > is done. Some people like the drum cues to be full-sized, but I find it gets > crowded at 100%. Repeat for Layer 4. > > Hope this helps. > > Christopher > > >> On Aug 19, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Martin Nickless wrote: >> >> >> Hi there can any one writing big band charts please help me with my drum >> parts >> I have searched all over finale manuals but with no luck >> I want to write small cue size notes above the top staff and small cue size >> notes just below the staff >> With slash notation in the middle >> If someone could bullet point the process I would be extremely grateful kind >> regards Martin >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Big band drum parts
Thank you very much, Christopher, for this very detailed outline of what to do in this instance. It's very kind of you to take the time to outline this process, and even though I don't currently need to use it, it's something I'm filing away in a special folder for future reference. Thank you! David H. Bailey On 8/19/2018 9:58 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: That seems right. I reserve layer 3 for cues above the staff, and I set Layer Options so that Layer 3 is always stems up, ties up, and rests are displaced by 6 steps. I make sure the option is selected that this happens even when the other layers are empty. I reserve layer 4 for cues below the staff, Layer Options stems down for Layer 4, ties down, and rests displaced by negative 6 steps. Layer 2 I use in choral parts and keyboard parts and stems down on drum parts (not to mention paired instruments on staves) so I don’t want that for cues. You have to edit the Slash Notation staff style so that under Alternate Notation you edit it to show items in other layers. Otherwise, out of the box, Finale will NOT show anything else. I also add articulations and expressions in other layers to be displayed, because those things need to show, even in the drum part. I also like to Show Active Layer while in Layer 3, select the entire drum staff, and Change Note Size to 75%. I do this only once the whole drum part is done. Some people like the drum cues to be full-sized, but I find it gets crowded at 100%. Repeat for Layer 4. [snip]> -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Big band drum parts
Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Aug 2018, at 02:58, Christopher Smith > wrote: > > That seems right. > > I reserve layer 3 for cues above the staff, and I set Layer Options so that > Layer 3 is always stems up, ties up, and rests are displaced by 6 steps. I > make sure the option is selected that this happens even when the other layers > are empty. > DO I FIND LAYER OPTIONS VIA DOCUMENT OPTIONS MOVE LAYERS ? > I reserve layer 4 for cues below the staff, Layer Options stems down for > Layer 4, ties down, and rests displaced by negative 6 steps. > > Layer 2 I use in choral parts and keyboard parts and stems down on drum parts > (not to mention paired instruments on staves) so I don’t want that for cues. > > You have to edit the Slash Notation staff style so that under Alternate > Notation you edit it to show items in other layers. Otherwise, out of the > box, Finale will NOT show anything else. I also add articulations and > expressions in other layers to be displayed, because those things need to > show, even in the drum part. HOW DO I NAVIGATE TO EDIT SLASH NOTATION > > I also like to Show Active Layer while in Layer 3, select the entire drum > staff, and Change Note Size to 75%. I do this only once the whole drum part > is done. Some people like the drum cues to be full-sized, but I find it gets > crowded at 100%. Repeat for Layer 4. HOW DO I GET TO SHOW ACTIVE LAYER IN LAYER 3 NOT SURE ABOUT HOW TO GET TO THE DIFFERENT SCREENS FROM YOUR BRILLIANT ANSWER THANKS IF YOY COYLD CLARIFY BEST REGARDS MARTIN > > Hope this helps. > > Christopher > > >> On Aug 19, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Martin Nickless wrote: >> >> >> Hi there can any one writing big band charts please help me with my drum >> parts >> I have searched all over finale manuals but with no luck >> I want to write small cue size notes above the top staff and small cue size >> notes just below the staff >> With slash notation in the middle >> If someone could bullet point the process I would be extremely grateful kind >> regards Martin >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Big band drum parts
What version of Finale are you using? My answers apply to Finale 25, but as I recall they've been this way for many versions. You edit the layers in Document Options / Layers (not "move layers" as you ask) You edit Slash Notation Staff Style but selecting the Staff Tool and then from the Staff Menu select Define Staff Styles You select Show Active Layer Only in the Document menu (why it's not in the View menu or in the Edit menu, since it affects what you're viewing and also affects what is being edited, is a question nobody has been able to answer clearly). You can also use the shift-alt-S (that's on windows, I don't know what the combination would be on a Mac) to set the Show Active Layer Only or turn it off when you want to see everything. Then you select Layer 3 using the small 1 2 3 4 boxes at the bottom left of the screen. David H. Bailey On 8/20/2018 5:46 AM, Martin Nickless wrote: Sent from my iPhone On 20 Aug 2018, at 02:58, Christopher Smith wrote: That seems right. I reserve layer 3 for cues above the staff, and I set Layer Options so that Layer 3 is always stems up, ties up, and rests are displaced by 6 steps. I make sure the option is selected that this happens even when the other layers are empty. DO I FIND LAYER OPTIONS VIA DOCUMENT OPTIONS MOVE LAYERS ? I reserve layer 4 for cues below the staff, Layer Options stems down for Layer 4, ties down, and rests displaced by negative 6 steps. Layer 2 I use in choral parts and keyboard parts and stems down on drum parts (not to mention paired instruments on staves) so I don’t want that for cues. You have to edit the Slash Notation staff style so that under Alternate Notation you edit it to show items in other layers. Otherwise, out of the box, Finale will NOT show anything else. I also add articulations and expressions in other layers to be displayed, because those things need to show, even in the drum part. HOW DO I NAVIGATE TO EDIT SLASH NOTATION I also like to Show Active Layer while in Layer 3, select the entire drum staff, and Change Note Size to 75%. I do this only once the whole drum part is done. Some people like the drum cues to be full-sized, but I find it gets crowded at 100%. Repeat for Layer 4. HOW DO I GET TO SHOW ACTIVE LAYER IN LAYER 3 NOT SURE ABOUT HOW TO GET TO THE DIFFERENT SCREENS FROM YOUR BRILLIANT ANSWER THANKS IF YOY COYLD CLARIFY BEST REGARDS MARTIN Hope this helps. Christopher On Aug 19, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Martin Nickless wrote: Hi there can any one writing big band charts please help me with my drum parts I have searched all over finale manuals but with no luck I want to write small cue size notes above the top staff and small cue size notes just below the staff With slash notation in the middle If someone could bullet point the process I would be extremely grateful kind regards Martin Sent from my iPhone ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu -- * David H. Bailey dhbaile...@comcast.net http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Text blocks not taking flat symbol
Hi Chuck, Thanks for the test. As it turned out, there was more to the story. All the text in the box had a blue highlighting, as if it was ALL a text insert (it wasn’t!). I could add a flat, but only AFTER the blue-highlighted text, not in the middle of it. This seems to be the case with text inserts, that they CAN be edited in the text box (rather than in the source dialogue box) but sharps and flats can’t be inserted. I don’t know how Finale came to think of this text as an insert, though. I solved it by creating a new text box and re-typing all the information. Thanks again. Christopher > On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > > I finally get to help you! I just tried this, and it works correctly for me, > so it’s likely to be something within the file. > > Fond regards, > > Chuck > >> On Aug 19, 2018, at 4:55 PM, Christopher Smith >> wrote: >> >> Finale V. 25, Mac High Sierra >> >> I need to create a text block with the instrumentation, and I can’t get the >> flat symbol to appear, as in “Trumpet in Bb". Cmd-sh-F is supposed to do it, >> but no go, it gives me a lower case b. Copying and pasting from another >> place in the file also gives me a lower-case b. Is this a bug in FinMac >> V.25? Any tactics? My font is Times New Roman, the one that came >> pre-installed on almost every computer I’ve owned. >> >> The document is one sent to me from another user, if that makes a difference. >> >> Christopher >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Text blocks not taking flat symbol
Hi Christopher, A couple of weeks ago, Margot and I spent two days visiting Andy and Francine Homzy in their home on Protection Island — a 10 minute ferry ride from Nanaimo, 400 homes in the woods, no cars, no stores - but city sewage, water and electricity. don’t think I want to live there, but their home is lovely, and it is peaceful. They love being there. If you have moment to check something for me, I’ve discovered what I think is a bug in Finale, and I’m not sure if turns up everywhere, or only in some files. If you have a document with a pickup measure (in my case, an 8th note pickup), the election tool gets confuse by that when attempting to place clef changes. Removing the pickup removes the confusion and clefs can be correctly placed. Replacing the pickup measure after placing the clef changes doesn’t disturb them. Thanks — Margot and I send our fond regards, Chuck > On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:25 AM, Christopher Smith > wrote: > > Hi Chuck, > > Thanks for the test. > > As it turned out, there was more to the story. All the text in the box had a > blue highlighting, as if it was ALL a text insert (it wasn’t!). I could add a > flat, but only AFTER the blue-highlighted text, not in the middle of it. This > seems to be the case with text inserts, that they CAN be edited in the text > box (rather than in the source dialogue box) but sharps and flats can’t be > inserted. I don’t know how Finale came to think of this text as an insert, > though. > > I solved it by creating a new text box and re-typing all the information. > > Thanks again. > > Christopher > > >> On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: >> >> I finally get to help you! I just tried this, and it works correctly for me, >> so it’s likely to be something within the file. >> >> Fond regards, >> >> Chuck >> >>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 4:55 PM, Christopher Smith >>> wrote: >>> >>> Finale V. 25, Mac High Sierra >>> >>> I need to create a text block with the instrumentation, and I can’t get the >>> flat symbol to appear, as in “Trumpet in Bb". Cmd-sh-F is supposed to do >>> it, but no go, it gives me a lower case b. Copying and pasting from another >>> place in the file also gives me a lower-case b. Is this a bug in FinMac >>> V.25? Any tactics? My font is Times New Roman, the one that came >>> pre-installed on almost every computer I’ve owned. >>> >>> The document is one sent to me from another user, if that makes a >>> difference. >>> >>> Christopher >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Text blocks not taking flat symbol
Hi Chuck, Ah, Andy and Francine have signed a treaty! Good to know. I love that guy. About the pickup bar, yes turning that on screws with a whole host of things that rely on measure numbers, including clef changes. I never use the “pickup measure” option because of bugginess, preferring to do it the old-fashioned way by changing the first measure into a measure of 1/4 (or 2/4, or whatever is needed) with “display as…” enabled, and adjust the measure numbering to start in measure 2. “Do not include in measure numbering” is another trap that messes up things like the pickup bar option does, so I only use it when there is NO OTHER way to accomplish something. Best, Christopher > On Aug 20, 2018, at 12:24 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > > Hi Christopher, > > A couple of weeks ago, Margot and I spent two days visiting Andy and Francine > Homzy in their home on Protection Island — a 10 minute ferry ride from > Nanaimo, 400 homes in the woods, no cars, no stores - but city sewage, water > and electricity. don’t think I want to live there, but their home is lovely, > and it is peaceful. They love being there. > > If you have moment to check something for me, I’ve discovered what I think is > a bug in Finale, and I’m not sure if turns up everywhere, or only in some > files. If you have a document with a pickup measure (in my case, an 8th note > pickup), the election tool gets confuse by that when attempting to place clef > changes. Removing the pickup removes the confusion and clefs can be correctly > placed. Replacing the pickup measure after placing the clef changes doesn’t > disturb them. > > Thanks — Margot and I send our fond regards, > > Chuck > > > >> On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:25 AM, Christopher Smith >> wrote: >> >> Hi Chuck, >> >> Thanks for the test. >> >> As it turned out, there was more to the story. All the text in the box had a >> blue highlighting, as if it was ALL a text insert (it wasn’t!). I could add >> a flat, but only AFTER the blue-highlighted text, not in the middle of it. >> This seems to be the case with text inserts, that they CAN be edited in the >> text box (rather than in the source dialogue box) but sharps and flats can’t >> be inserted. I don’t know how Finale came to think of this text as an >> insert, though. >> >> I solved it by creating a new text box and re-typing all the information. >> >> Thanks again. >> >> Christopher >> >> >>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 7:58 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: >>> >>> I finally get to help you! I just tried this, and it works correctly for >>> me, so it’s likely to be something within the file. >>> >>> Fond regards, >>> >>> Chuck >>> On Aug 19, 2018, at 4:55 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Finale V. 25, Mac High Sierra I need to create a text block with the instrumentation, and I can’t get the flat symbol to appear, as in “Trumpet in Bb". Cmd-sh-F is supposed to do it, but no go, it gives me a lower case b. Copying and pasting from another place in the file also gives me a lower-case b. Is this a bug in FinMac V.25? Any tactics? My font is Times New Roman, the one that came pre-installed on almost every computer I’ve owned. The document is one sent to me from another user, if that makes a difference. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
