Re: [Finale] Finale history - Finale 2.0.1
--- On Sun, 8/1/10, jp.gilles wrote: > From: jp.gilles > Subject: [Finale] Finale history - Finale 2.0.1 > To: finale@shsu.edu > Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 2:03 PM > Hi > Some pictures of the Finale 2.0.1 package. > http://jipiblog.jipiz.fr/2010/08/01/histoire-de-finale-finale-2-0-1/ > It actually came with books! I miss getting manuals with my software :-( I didn't get finale back then, but it was not long after that I bought my first spread-sheet program, and I opened it to read the manual on my way home from the store. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Tuning without an Oboe in the group
--- On Thu, 7/8/10, dhbailey wrote: > > It is to be hoped that inexperienced players are working > with teachers who are teaching them how to tune properly and > how to make the best use of any tuning device, which would > include electronic tuners, and, again one would hope, would > teach those inexperienced string players to use the tuning > device to get one string in tune and then tune the other > strings from that original string. > John's statement about inexperience players surprised me, because using a tuner for all strings would never have occurred to me. I played violin in high school, and we were taught from the beginning to listen to the A, tune that one string, and then tune all the others relative to it. If there was an oboe in the group, we all listened to that. If not, one of the violinists listened to a note (tuner, keyboard, or tuning fork) and then gave the A to everyone else. Sometimes the band students used our room, and one time they left the tuner set to Bb. Some of the string players came in next, and we didn't know that the tuner could actually change notes, because we had only ever used it to listen to the A - I turned it on, we all tuned our instruments a semitone sharp, and started practicing. It didn't bother any of us, but the teacher had perfect pitch and freaked out when she came into the room and heard us. After that, I bought my own tuning fork. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?
--- On Tue, 5/25/10, dhbailey wrote: > From: dhbailey > Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering? > To: finale@shsu.edu > Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 10:52 AM > Lora Crighton wrote: > > --- On Tue, 5/25/10, Christopher Smith > wrote: > >> Click on the video to see how lyric entry and > spacing is > >> improved. Does that seem like enough to you guys > who do > >> choral music? > >> > > > > After many years of not bothering with the upgrades - > I have 2006 - I'm seriously thinking about it now. > > Upgrading 5 versions will most likely make this a great > upgrade for you from 2006. > > As an annual upgrade from 2010 for $120, it's rather meager > pickings for my notational needs from all that I can see. > The annual upgrades have never seemed worth it to me, and I was doing every 2 years for a while - I forget what put me off 2008, but I decided I didn't want it. Recently I haven't been doing anything that I needed to share files, so being years behind wasn't a problem, and none of the new features said "buy me" until now. If the lyric spacing works well, it will save me lots of time, because most of what I use finale for is scores for my church choir. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2011 preordering?
--- On Tue, 5/25/10, Christopher Smith wrote: > > Click on the video to see how lyric entry and spacing is > improved. Does that seem like enough to you guys who do > choral music? > After many years of not bothering with the upgrades - I have 2006 - I'm seriously thinking about it now. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Who prints on A3 in US?
--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > > We're waiting for an answer on accepting the U.S. size, and > I know where to > get the paper (not cheap, even for standard weight). > > The question is who PRINTS this size in copy shops? I can't > find anybody who > has a machine that can accept it. > I'm in Canada, but I would be surprised if it's any different in the US. Most large copy machines have both a manual feed, and a least one tray that is adjustable size. I'm just in the accounting department of a small company, not even a copy-shop, and I could print any size up to 11x17 if I was given the paper. (We only keep letter, legal, and 11x17 on hand.) Of course, it's extra work for the person in the shop to unload the standard stock, load your odd size, and adjust the paper guides, but it can easily be done. Good Luck! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: no early music in Wikipedia!
--- On Thu, 9/3/09, Andrew Stiller wrote: > Received: Thursday, September 3, 2009, 4:59 PM > I was startled, not to mention > dismayed, a few days ago to find that there are apparently > no articles in Wikipedia for any composer older than > Purcell! At the very least I could find nothing for > Leonin, Machaut, Dufay, Josquin, Palestrina, Lassus, > Monteverdi, or Schuetz. Palestrina is there - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Pierluigi_da_Palestrina So are Byrd and Tallis, two of my favourite early composers. > > Seems to me there's a lot of opportunity there for grad > students, or even undergrads, to get a quick publication > credit. > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Somewhat OT: How marked-up can/should rental parts be?
--- On Fri, 8/21/09, Patrick Sheehan wrote: > Call them up and ask for their librarian or musicologist; > the receptionist > people don't like long explanations; they WILL hang up on > you (part of the > rude population of NYC). They have musicologists - tell me more. I'd love to find a job like that! -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: WHAT Sibelius can't do
--- On Sat, 6/27/09, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Was it general public or touch-typists? I'm gonna guess > general public, which > would make a huge difference. If you have to look, I'd > guess mouse is faster. > Having to look is what slows me down when I work with a mouse - if I'm doing something that I can just use the keyboard for, I don't look at the screen, just type, and it's much faster. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: Got Finale 2010 today.
--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Jim Hale wrote: > I guess all this doesn't count if I > have the Academic version. I never get > ANY sort of notice. :/ > I bought the academic version, and I get email notices. I still have 2006 - I'm thinking of taking this upgrade, more because others I sometime work with have newer versions than because I want any of the new features. The price given in my email is higher than what others are quoting, I guess because it's been so long since I upgraded. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Dance of the Snake Charmer?
--- On Thu, 6/4/09, Ray Horton wrote: > > I actually come up blank using that title. I'm > guessing it's the tune they used to use in cartoons and > such: > > ab|c b |a ab|cebc|a > > > If so, does this tune have a name? > It's well-known a children's playground song - there various texts, some cleaner than others. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/desultor/2004/01/21/france-pants/ Here is info and a midi of the original. http://www.shira.net/streets-of-cairo.htm -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: building a database for a music library
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can't recommend a program for Mac, but it can be > done with > either a spreadsheet or a database. Either program > should > give you the ability to look at the data in > different ways. > Microsoft Office is available for Mac - I'm using Excel for my church choir library. The spreadsheet does have limited database functions, but if you need something larger & more complex, you can use Access, which is a pretty good database program. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Translation help needed: French to english
--- Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Might be regional, or it might be a classical thing. > I hear "desk" in > the orchestras around here all the time, though not > exclusively. > I played in both orchestras (Toronto) & band (Montreal) when I was in high school, and it was always "desk". Perhaps it's just one more example of the difference between US and Canadian English. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 40-part choral
--- Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There's only one that I know of, but I'm blanking > on the composer. (Tallis? > > Tallis. Spem in Alium. I sang in one of the quintets > about 20 years ago. > Fantastic piece. > Alessandro Striggio also did a 40 part motet, Ecce beatam lucem, and a 40 part mass (the Agnus Die is 60 parts). I think Spem in Alium is much more interesting - I've never been lucky enough to sing it, but I have a couple of different recordings & love it. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Music Stands
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Manhasset stands are terrific. > It's a bit more than I was hoping to spend, but they have the perfect stand - thanks!! -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: how to sell an unkown composer?
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > My question to the group is, how do you > got about convincing > band directors to try this composer that they've > likely never heard of? What's worked for me in the past(usually choirs though, not bands) is finding a good recording of music by the composer - not necessarily the piece I want - and playing the CD for the music director. Once he's agreed that the music is interesting, I just manage to find scores to lend him ;-) -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Music Stands
The thread on music stand lights reminded me of something I meant to ask. I need to buy a couple of stands for the church (apparently the ones we used to use belonged to the former director, because he took them with him when he quit), and am not sure what to get - I only know that I don't want the folding kind that I have at home, because it's too unsteady. Any advice where & what to look for? -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced
--- Cecil Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How many haven't left 2006 yet?!! > > I might be convinced to upgrade if the Engraver > slurs really *do* work now... > That's why I'm thinking of ugrading. > -Cecil Rigby > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Patrick Sheehan asked: > > Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? > How many of you will stay with '08? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced
Well, I'm still using '06, so it's probably time for me to upgrade. --- Patrick Sheehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? > How many of you will stay with '08? Let the > discussion begin! > > > Patrick J. M. Sheehan >Woodlawn Arts Academy, Instructor, Music Director >Centennial Auditorium, Music Director & Conductor >P.S. Music >Host, The Saturday Night Blues: 89.5 WNIJ 9 p.m. > - 12 a.m., > streaming live at WNIJ.org >Copyist -- The Glenn Miller Orchestra >YouTube channel: MaestroPS2008 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >1-815-501-8327 (m) >1-815-285-4401 (f) > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: question re Canadian copyright
I'm helping out with the music at my church while we are between music directors, and the priest has suggested using a hymn that is not in the book we currently use. This means that we would need to print at least the words - the music as well would be nice - for the congregation. Would we need to get anyone's permission for this, and how would we go about it if we do? I tried googling, but gave up after I kept finding US sites, because I know their rules are different. Thanks, Lora -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: recorders for the 4th Brandenburg
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Speaking as a person for whom recorder was my first > woodwind (I started > on trumpet and played that and euphonium only before > learning recorder), > it took me all of a week or so to learn alto > recorder as a separate > instrument. It's not hard at all. > I also learned recorder as my first instrument, and had no problems with the different fingerings. Years later when I tried to play clarinet, how I remembered fingering for the lower 2 registers was that it was like alto & tenor recorders. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] (was Partial tuplets in Finale)
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd leave the assessment of "good" and "bad" to > the students and > > instead try to teach something that's > representative of what happened > > musically during the historical period in > question. > > > > > I agree -- but it's hard to find a textbook to teach > with which has a > listening collection which would fit such a > fair-representation delivery. > The best classes I ever had didn't have a text with a listening collection: the teachers put lists of music, including multiple performances of some pieces, on reserve at the library and brought in stacks of CDs & scores to class. When we had a book+CD set in second year, many of the students memorized specific performances, and several of us noticed that we just needed to recognize the distinctive sound of 3 different pianos rather than actually learning the whole pieces for a listening test. (Overworked students will usually take advantage of any shortcuts!) -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Re(2): [Finale] Converting Notes In A Region Into Rests
How big is your region? I don't know any way to do it all at once, but in speedy you can do one note at a time by hitting "r", and then the arrow to get to the next note - it's pretty fast for a few measures, but I don't think I would want to do a bunch of pages that way. --- Leigh Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That just clears the measure and inserts a whole > rest. I want each note > converted to its corresponding rest. > > **Leigh > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008, dhbailey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Highlight the notes you want converted and hit the > backspace key. > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] what does a copyist do?
LOL! The answer to "What does a copyist do?" is clearly he/she hustles for work. Oh - me too ;-) --- Barbara Touburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hahaha! Me first, please! :) > > dhbailey wrote: > > > > > > > Me, too, please! > > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] test
It worked --- Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Test (no mail for two days) > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
--- Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > > > On Dec 13, 2007 12:29 AM, Henry E. Howey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I think we need a list survey of laptop versus > desktop usage. > > > > 78.6% desktop use, the remaining 47.2% on laptop. > > > > Bwahh! You made me spit my tea! > > Actually, your proportions sound about right to me, Including the total of 125.8%? > though I use > Finale as much as I can on the destop. The laptop, > as someone else > mentioned, gets more activity for things non-Finale. > As Dennis B-K > said, I also have a fat case of accessories when I > travel out of town > and have to take Finale work with me. > > Christopher > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
--- Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So the people who have answered 'laptop' -- do you > use it without screens, > external keyboards, etc.? Or docked to become a > desktop-like computer? In > which case, yeah, we have two laptops here at home. > :) > I have a mouse, keyboard (which I actually don't use as much as I thought I would), external storage and monitor at home - I usually take the mouse with me to school or the library, because I hate the track-pad. If I listen to anything, which I don't do often, I use headphones, although I'm thinking of getting speakers. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Desktop versus laptop survey
--- "Henry E. Howey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think we need a list survey of laptop versus > desktop usage. > > I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real > machine upon which I > do 60-70% of my work. > > If my observation of an observed group of > undergraduate students is > accurate, they are closer to 90% in laptop usage. > Laptop - I no longer own a desktop, although I have access to them at work and school. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site
--- Noel Stoutenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Finally, why didt the owner of ISMLP close down the
> site? I believe if I
> had been in his place, I would have temporarily
> removed the offending
> scores, and demanded more information on exactly
> what copyright
> infringement is being claimed. In my view, shutting
> down the site was
> overkill.
>
As well as taking down the scores, they demanded that
he sign this:
CEASE and DESIST STATEMENT
International Music Score Library Project (IMSLP")
8130 78 Ave. NW,
Edmonton T6C0N4, CA
hereby declares in favour of
Universal Edition AG,
FN 73843v,
Bösendorfer Straße 12,
A-1010 Wien
1. to immediately cease and desist to offer
copyright-protected material belonging to Universal
Edition AG (see attachment)
2. upon each violation of my undertaking under item 1.
above, I explicitly agree to be obliged to pay in
waiving the defence of continued offense
("Fortsetzungszusammenhang") to Universal Edition AG
a contractual penalty, non-reducible by Court, in the
amount of EUR 3,000 for each violation of the
aforementioned undertaking. Further claims of
Universal Edition AG for damages exceeding such
contractual penalty remain unaffected.
3. This Cease and Desist Statement is subject to
Austrian law.
4. Place of jurisdiction is Vienna.
___
International Music Score Library Project (IMSLP")
He's just a student, paying the expenses himself, and
running the site with help from a handful of
volunteers. I'm not surprised that he said he could
not meet their conditions and took down th site after
receiving 2 cease & desist letters.
--
Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti
So far tranquillo ogni turbato core,
Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore
Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti.
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Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site
--- Martin Banner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If someone creates something, physical or > intellectually, shouldn't > that person be entitled to some sort of financial > benefit for his/her > entire lifetime, regardless of how long? > Unless there is some amazing medical advance, a lifetime is not forever. > > you can argue about what > the > > term should be, but I'm fairly certain that it > should > > be somewhat shorter than forever. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site
--- Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know this post is going to be a little > controversial, and I am by no > means an expert on copyright. Anyway, I'd like to > point out that > copyright, originally, was actually there to protect > the artist. It is, > imo, a good thing if the copyright term is long. How > long, I guess is > another question. > My understanding was that it was to benefit both the artist and society, and was originally for a very limited term. Unfortunately, the term seems to get extended every time something popular is about to become public domain - you can argue about what the term should be, but I'm fairly certain that it should be somewhat shorter than forever. A couple of years ago I did an essay for a class based on the Sony copy-protection case. At first, the teacher said I had failed address the issue of what would happen when the music became public domain, but agreed with me when I pointed out that he was making a big assumption that it would ever happen. > However, although you might say that copyright > doesn't help the artist > but the industry, this, as such, might well be more > the American > situation than the European. Perhaps. It is similar in my country as well, but I don't know the European situation. > So, although obviously > UE was more after > protecting their own assets, they are, also, > protecting some composer's > assets, or at least their heir's assets. > Reasonable within limits. UE listed composers that have long been in public domain in Europe - example Mahler who will soon be public domain under even the most restrictive rules. > You might not like it, but I for one, would like my > kids to benefit if I > am the composer of Europe's new anthem (which I > won't be, don't worry). > > Ok, I know reactions are going to come very soon... > >From one of the IMSLP forums: "Many articles are being written. I suspect the most important to view are those of lawyer Howard Knop at http://excesscopyright.blogspot.com/ and Michael Geist at http://www.michaelgeist.ca/ " -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] UE forces IMSLP to close entire site
--- A-NO-NE Music <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are some software allowed to be distributed > only in Japan. I have > encountered they check my IP range upon download, > and get rejected by > saying "you are not in Japan". This is getting more > common in Japan > these days. > How difficult, and how expensive is this kind of thing? Is there a way to block only some of the files, or is everything blocked? The interesting thing I noticed on the letter was that some of the composers listed were public domain even in contries that use life+70. You really have to admire the way they pulled out the big guns to frighten a poor student. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
--- Brian Appleby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At some point in the future I'm going to want an > Intel Mac running > the latest version of OSX, and then the whole > thing's going to blow > up on me - I'll probably have to tuck my old > computers in a corner to > run Finale archives, and then evaluate the versions > of Finale and > Sibelius that are out at that time. I have 2006 running on an Intel Mac. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale '08
--- Daniel Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would it be possible now, from the list membership, > to get a more > accurate sense of the number of us who are (a) a > long-term, professional > users of Finale, Long-term, non-professional - current grad student in musicology, former choir librarian. > (b) have serious concerns about bug > fixes, and Yes! > (c) are > either skipping an '08 upgrade or switching to a > competing product > during this cycle? > Sticking with '06 - I was upgrading every other year, but have decided to skip '08. Although I'm not thinking of switching at the moment, I no longer sales-pitch Finale like I used to. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] alto as tenor?
--- G GRIFFITHS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I remember doing some very old editions of Handel (I > think it was Zadok) at > school which were exactly like this. To us > schoolkids it looked very > peculiar with the altos apparently above the sops. > I've sung from editions like that - it was strange at first, but it didn't take long to get used to. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Removing alternate clefs indications
--- Stephen Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have downloaded a public domain piece from the > Composers Public > Domain Library: > > http://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Sitivit_anima_mea_% > > 28Giovanni_Pierluigi_da_Palestrina%29 > > I am not sure of the proper terminology, but the > finale version > (1998) shows the Soprano, Alto, Tenor, and Bass > clefs to the left of > the first staff system on Page One. I would like to > remove that, but > since I don't know how it was added, I can't. > It was created with the Ossia Measure Designer. I found this by double-clicking on the object with the selection tool. You don't actually need to know how an object was added to delete it: just click on it with the selection tool and then hit delete. > Please advise! > Don't do it! You will be deleting useful information. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Removing alternate clefs indications
--- John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That is a perfectly ordinary "Incipit," showing the > original clefs, > key signature and mensuration sign. That > information is important, > and I'm not sure why you want to delete it. I would > always include > that in any edition of mine, if I knew how to insert > it. There are probably better ways, but I did a lot of music with the incipit as system one, and the music starting in system two, which I dragged up to be beside the incipit. I get this very strange first chord if I play the file back - if I ever want to save a midi file, I will have to figure out how to make it not start on the first measure. I hadn't thought of using the ossia - next time I will try that. > > Unfortunately it is an incomplete incipit, because > it fails to > include the first note in each part, which gives > important > information not only about the transposition but > about the original > note values, also important information, especially > if the piece > breaks into triple time and you have to figure out > the original > proportion. > I also include the range when I do an incipit - it is especially useful to let me know if the altos will run into trouble. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: choir+piano layout
--- "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 29 Jul 2007 at 9:29, Christopher Smith wrote: > > > The largest choral parts I have > > ever seen are 8.5 x 11 > > Commercially printed choral music is always octavo > size, which is, of > course, smaller than 8.5 x 11. > That didn't seem right, so I checked - I actually own several pieces commercially printed choral music that is letter size, and one that is a strange (to me) size, being a bit taller & a bit narrower than letter. Most of my scores are early music, so perhaps that makes a difference? -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Researchers find eight bugs in Safari for Windows
They're called "design features", not bugs. ;-) --- Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh no! Bugs? In a Windows program. Unheard of! > > Phil Daley wrote: > > >From: "Computerworld First Look" > > >Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:22:57 -0400 > > > > > > * Researchers find eight bugs in Safari for > Windows > > > >http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/1643133/18047577/67315/2/ > > > > Phil Daley < AutoDesk > > > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Windows Users Don't Care About Safari
--- Phil Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you think? Why is Apple bringing Safari to > Windows? Do you think it > will win much browser market share? Do you plan to > use it? Leave a message > on the InformationWeek Blog and let us know. > I don't even use it on my Mac - I downloaded Firefox, which I like better. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] musicians/sea
Much as I appreciate concise writing, this is taking it too far. :-) --- Bob Florence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] should we expect another upgrade?
--- "Williams, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Randolph, > I wrote several years ago that Finale had become > subscriptionware...I was pooh-pooed at the time but > stand by my statement. > We SHOULD expect another updater given all the > documented and yet-unresolved issues with 2007, but > perhaps experience tells us otherwise. > > The answer to this question would perhaps be > revealing: Given that a "new" version appears some > time between July and September, what was the LATEST > date anyone can remember at which an updater for an > "old" (then-current) version appeared? I honestly > don't know. > They recently sent out a special offer to those of us who haven't upgraded to 2007 yet. Even though I will be using Finale a lot over the summer - big school project due Aug 3 - I'm going to wait for the new version. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT urgent repertoire help needed for friend
--- Barbara Touburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For a friend, I need to find (in the next two hours) > two pieces of > music, one that could be characterised as being > "open", the other one as > being "closed". Genre doesn't matter. Can anyone > help me and her? > "Im wunderschonen Monat Mai", first song in the cycle "Dichterliebe", by Schumann could be called an "open" ending, but perhaps that's a bit of a cheat, because it doesn't really end there, but goes on to the next song. Other songs in the cycle, for example "Ich grolle nicht", are closed. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
--- dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm not much of a pianist, but I've always seen it > as "L.H." and "R.H." > > I guess it depends on the native language of the > publisher or the > intended audience. > Perhaps also when it was published - when I took piano lesson ages ago, most things were done using the Italian, and a few French (I had pages of Italian and French words to learn for exams), but I see more English in scores now. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] left hand, right hand abbreviation
--- Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a piece I am currently editing the composer has > indicated left hand > and right hand at one place as m.s. and m.d.. > However, her hadnwriting > is difficult to decipher at that place, and I am > trying to confirm that > these abbreviations are the correct ones. Can > someone tell me? > It's correct - m.d. short for mano destra, right hand, and m.s. short for mano sinistra, left hand. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] parts - german laws
--- Daniel Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In fact, > I've often been surprised at how tolerant musicians > are of parts with > bad page turns etc.. > We're just resigned to it - so much of the music I buy has really evil page turns that I don't even comment on it anymore. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT ... commissions
> All of which begs the question for Mac users, > can one copy a PDF > file and move it into an Appleworks doc in a fashion > which can then > be edited? I'd like to use this contract, but > several changes would > have to be made. > If you go to google and search for "commission contract musical work" it will bring up the clc website with an option to view as htlm. You can then select all, copy, and past into your favourite word processor or text editor. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT ... commissions
--- "Dean M. Estabrook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've just been offered a commission to write a > choral piece. Though > I've done a lot of composing, this is the first time > for me in the > world of commissions. If there is such a thing, > what might be the > going rate for an SATB piece for a church choir of > 20 singers, > lasting about 3 minutes? I told the person wanting > the work that I > honestly didn't know what to ask, but that I'd look > around ... hence, > this message. She supposed that something between > $500 and a grand > might be a reasonable range ... what say ye? > In Canada the rate would be $425 per minute: http://www.clc-lcc.ca/commissioning-rates.php -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] download 2007a
--- Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow. Dialup..I've heard of that.;-) > http://www.matthewfields.net/Works/Other/DH/ -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: Garritan Group buy
--- Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Come on, program a saxophone? That's like > programming a chainsaw ;-) > Next you'll want a saxophone to play *gasp* > dynamics! > Loud is a dynamic ;-) -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Can't access the graphics in NMA Online
--- Erica <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is fabulous, but I can only get a little box > with a red X in it where graphics should display, > and this has been happening to me in other contexts > as well. Can anyone tell from this if I have > inadvertently set some default that I should unset > to be able to see these graphics (can't view PDF > files on this site, either). > It's not you. I've been hearing variations of the same complaint on my favourite newsgroup, and on several different email lists. The site is overloaded. They were unprepared for the number of people who would try to access the scores. I plan to wait a few months, and hope that fewer people are trying at the same time &/or they upgrade to handle the volume. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Christmas Trees on the Finale List
--- Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > (I hope this link makes it intact...) > It did. Thanks for the lovely photo. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: lyrics spacing (was Re: [Finale] Re: score vs. finale)
--- "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Start a revolution! > > Teach your students how to use good editions! > > Convey to them the fun of being able to look > critically at the > editor's choices, and teach them how much more > rewarding it is to > make your own decisions. They'll be better musicians > for it. > Thanks for the reminder of just how lucky I am to have found my current teacher. Sometimes we do cool stuff like comparing a full score & several different piano-vocal editions or looking at facsimilies, and talking about why editors might have done certain things, and how views have changed over time. It's really fascinating to compare for example 19th century, mid-20th century, and current editions of the same piece of early music. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] registration
Fisher, Allen wrote: For anyone with an Intel mac and Finale 2006-- You'll need to grab the 2006d update which will allow you to register under Intel. The message you get when trying to register the original version is very confusing. -- The better the voyce is, the meeter it is to honour and serve God there-with: and the voyce of man is chiefely to be imployed to that ende. Omnis spiritus laudet Dominum. -William Byrd ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] registration
Eric Dannewitz wrote: You could try emailing support. They are really prompt on registration things. They replied asking if my computer has an Intel chip, which it does - I just bought it a couple of weeks ago. Apparently I need to download and install something, so it will have to wait until either I can get the wireless set up at home or take my laptop back to the university. -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] registration
Can you not have finale on two computers? I have it registered on a desktop, and I'm here at the university library trying to register it on my laptop (no internet at home) but I got some message about registration refused. I have 2006, which I registered on one computer, and I have 2002 on an old windows laptop which won't run the new version (it wouldn't even install). Any ideas what could be wrong? Lora -- Io la Musica son, ch'ai dolci accenti So far tranquillo ogni turbato core, Et or di nobil ira et or d'amore Poss'infiammar le più gelate menti. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: PC vs MAC?
Thanks for your input, everyone. Our music department at school is Mac, and and so is the creative deptment where I work. I've tried them out - it would take some getting used to, especially the mouse, but I could learn it without too much trouble. I'm just wondering if it is worth it. Why is it so common for music & art departments to prefer Mac? So far I haven't seen anything they can do that I can't do on my PC. On 3/2/06, John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On this campus the music and art departments are 100% Mac. It reallycomes down to what your students will have or will have access to. Our majors are required to have Mac laptops. But someone who isfluent already with Windows should probably go that way.John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: PC vs MAC?
A friend is trying to decide which to get - she will be using her computer for inputting her own music using Finale and for teaching - mostly theory & composition. Any thoughts on what type of computer would be best? She came to me because I'm pretty good with computers, but I've only used PC's, so I don't know what to tell her. thanks, L. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fermatas
On 11/13/05, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rob Deemer wrote:>>How do you put a fermata on a barline instead of a note, and is there any>>way to make it play back?Thanks,>>Lora>>> Per Christopher's suggestion, I would create a measure _expression_ that > is center justified and over the left barline. For the playback,> adjusting the tempo would probably get you the best results (as long> as you had another hidden or unhidden _expression_ that changed the > tempo back later on). Just curious, why do you want a fermata over a> barline?>And more to the point, what sort of playback would you interpret forsuch a fermata. I am interpreting it as a small space between the two bars - I am not sure yet if I want a tiny rit before the fermatas or not. They are between sections marked "Schneller" and "Langsamer". Remember that often in older music (19th century into the early 20th century, at least) a fermata over a barline indicated theFine. It is a 19th century piece, but the fermata is not indicating Fine - there are quite a few of them throughout the song. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] fermatas
On 11/13/05, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Nov 13, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Rob Deemer wrote:>> How do you put a fermata on a barline instead of a note, and is there>> any>> way to make it play back? Thanks, >> Lora>> Per Christopher's suggestion, I would create a measure _expression_ that> is center justified and over the left barline. For the playback,> adjusting the tempo would probably get you the best results (as long > as you had another hidden or unhidden _expression_ that changed the> tempo back later on).If you change the tempo, you won't get a break in the sound unlessthere are rests; in other words, it will playback like a big rit with no break.I think if playback is important, my original suggestion stands Yes, I think that's the best solution for what I need. Thanks for your help. (did Imention that you have to adjust the measure number regions to allow for the invisible measure?) I don't think so, but I am using rehearsal letters, so that won't be a problem. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Windows users BEWARE of Sony BMG music CD's!
On 11/11/05, David W. Fenton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11 Nov 2005 at 12:47, Robert Patterson wrote:> Christopher Smith wrote:>> > I would sue if > > something like this was installed on my computer by a so-called> > reputable company.>> As much as I agree with the sentiment, I suspect anyone who is> infected with this thing clicked thru a license agreement that allowed > Sony to install their software.But the EULA was deceptive and did not fully explain what thesoftware was doing and what its risks were. To me, almost every EULAI've ever seen is so misleading as to be practically a lie, but this one was an actual LIE in that it omitted crucially importantinformation about what you were agreeing to. I read the EULA, and it seemed to imply that the program was removable. I usually just click without reading all the clauses, but after reading that one, I realize that I have been silly - I think it is scary just how onesided the agreement is. You are basically letting them say they can disable your computer and destroy your data, but have no liability to you. But, even if none of the lawsuits against Sony succeed, Sony hasalready lost revenue, because a large number of people who were wholly unaffected by this rootkit will refuse to ever buy Sonyproducts of any kind, for fear of some other nefarious activity onSony's part. I do alot of my CD listening at the computer, and I will certainly think twice before I buy another Sony CD. Lora ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] fermatas
How do you put a fermata on a barline instead of a note, and is there any way to make it play back? Thanks, Lora ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale's output quality
On 7/24/05, Robert Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm as quick as anyone to acknowledge Finale's shortcomings, but sometimes > the Finale bashing can be over the top. We should be clear that Finale gives > up *absolutely nothing* to Sib or any other competitor in quality of printed > output. What we have endless quibbled about is ease-of-use features, which > includes dynamically linked parts. > When I was chosing what program to get, I was in two choirs with people who often did their own scores for us - one was using Sibelius & the other Finale. How much nicer the Finale scores were more than made up for the fact that it was a bit harder to start out on. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation program comparison
On 7/23/05, Richard Yates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The quality of the engraving isn't in question here - the fact that the > > company participated is. Look at the MakeMusic submission -- it's far > > inferior to the Sibelius submission. I can't even see the notes or the > > staves for the MakeMusic submission! > > You are all reading far more into this informal, voluntary comparison than > is remotely valid. The whole thing was obviously not much planned or > organized. There is no 'MakeMusic' submission; there is only a Finale > version made by a casual user with an ancient version. > It was *very* informal. After reading more of the replies in the newsgroup, I found out that some of the submissions were done last year & some recently, and the two groups were not given the same instructions. The original question was could people emulate somebody's engraving & use their programs to produce an exact copy. (The first group were done in Score, Music Press and Encore.) I was given the copy & told to use a certain font. I'm not sure what instructions the others were given. The comment from one of the composers on the newsgroup was "Unsuprisingly, they look remarkably alike. The main differences are minute differences in font size and margins." I see more differences than that, especially between the Sibelius & the others, but they are similar, and the piece chosen doesn't really require anything very complicated. Also, the people in the newsgroup are quite a different audience than people here - some may be professional engravers, but many (most?) are performers, students &/or composers. I have a non-music job to pay the bills and study music part time at York University (my main interest is musicology). I know I use a small fraction of what Finale can do, but it's great for what I want. I bought it because I have an on-going project to transcribe a pile of early music into modern notation, and it was just too much to think about doing by hand. I've also ended up doing scores for choirs I've been a part of & doing a couple of scores for a friend who is starting out as a composer. I think the idea of some kind of comparison is a good one, and hope it happens, but that one was not organized or presented in a way that gives much useful information. At a minumum, I would want to know what versions of the programs people were using, and how much of what I was looking at reflected defaults & how much was the result of the user's own templates and tweaking. Perhaps there needs to be two different comparisons - what can experts like some of you on this list make the programs do, and how easy is it for people like me, with a main interest that is something other than engraving, make the program produce the results we need? Given more hours in a day (or a large enough lottery win so that I could leave the job) I could have great fun learning how to use all the bells & whistles (for example I've never done anything with sounds except listen with whatever the default is to help in proofreading), but realistically, if I every needed a really complicated score or a good soundfile, I would probably just hire somebody to do it for me. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation program comparison
On 7/21/05, Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The comparison does make me wonder though: Wouldn't a real comparison > where experts with each software work by strictly copying one or more > sources of real published music be long overdue? > I would love to see that, maybe doing a page each of several different types of scores. > Some time ago (years I guess) we had this kind of thread as well, where > I believe Sibelius staged a kind of competition, but ended up with a > rather poor result for their own software and quickly withdrew the results. > > I don't think cautionary accidentals have anything to do with this, by > the way. > Right - that's a user choice to include or not. > I'd volunteer to do this kind of competition, if it is limited to no > more than two or three pages. > All we need is somebody to organize it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation program comparison
On 7/21/05, Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lora, > > what I'd like to know: why is the Finale example a scanned image, and > not a direct PDF from the source file? > > Johannes > I don't have the Adobe program that I would need to create a PDF file. I'm using Finale 2002 on a laptop running Windows 98 - it didn't seem worth it to get the Adobe, because the only person I was ever trading files with had the same version I do. Usually I just give people printed copies. I sent both the source file & the scan, and he said the scan was going to be OK. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation program comparison
On 7/21/05, Rick Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does anyone know the ground rules set for this comparison? Was the amount of > tweaking limited or restricted? The number and type of collisions in these > examples are inexcusable. > This was not anything very formal, and as far as I know none of us are pros at this type of thing - I was given a copy of the piece, and requested to use a specific font. The person who did it asked for volunteers in a newsgroup. There was apparently a discussion of it about a year ago, which I missed, and a more recent notice, including a specific request for somebody to do a Finale file. I'm not any kind of expert, and, as I mentioned in the newsgroup, I usually do choral scores (which people who have used like), but nobody else was volunteering. Guitar music is new to me (when I played years ago, I read from tablature). Somebody mentioned cautionary accidentals - the score I was given to copy was not consistant on including them, and I decided that I would not put any rather than copy that. One thing I asked on the newsgroup - no replies yet - is if people were taking the default settings or doing a lot of fixing up. I did some tweaking, mostly on the rests. I'm not sure if how I did it is best - since I don't know much about guitar music, I was pretty much copying the score I was given. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
On 7/20/05, Phil Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 7/20/2005 11:33 AM, John Howell wrote: > > >There's a three-part approach to this that works well with amateurs, > >and even with professionals. First you teach the music, making sure > >that all the parts are solidly learned. Then teach the choreography, > >during which they forget half the music. Then reteach the music > >coordinated with the choreography. It works just fine; you just have > >to know in advance that this is what you need to do. > > I agree. But . . . > > Most amateurs (in my area) don't have enough time to actually "learn" the > music, let alone, learn some additional choreography. > Many years ago I was in a church choir where I was one of a tiny handful of singers who could sightread. I tried, and failed, to convince the director to spend a bit of time teaching basic theory & sightreading. Her reason for refusing? Not enough time because we had so much music to learn - it was only a few hymns, 1 psalm, and a motet each week. (We had a handful of mass settings, none difficult, some congregational, and would often do the same one for many weeks in a row.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Countertenor barred from Texas All-State Choir
On 7/19/05, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Off-topic, of course, and submitted without comment, but some may find > this LA Times editorial interesting: > > http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-soprano11jul11,0,369179.story > I'm not sure why they felt the need to drag in the topic of castrati. Any more recent news on the subject? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
On 7/20/05, Phil Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can agree with that. That is probably the real reason. > > I find groups that do visual things while singing very distracting from the > music. But, I guess that's me. > Me too. Some groups can do both well, but what often happens is that the music suffers because they are concentrating on the movements. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
On 7/19/05, Mark D Lew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jul 19, 2005, at 4:40 PM, Lora Crighton wrote: > > > I actually find it easier to focus on things like tuning & balance if > > I have my score, because I can see what the other parts are doing - > > I have found that, also. > > > I'm always reading my own part & at least one other. Or are you > > suggesting that all the parts be memorized? > > I can't recall ever intentionally memorizing all parts for a choral > piece I'm singing in, but I would generally learn all four parts for > any piece where I'm the choral director, and if I later have occasion > to sing the same piece then I know all the parts. It's really quite > helpful. > If I know a piece well, I can switch parts on little or no notice. I once went to mass after having rehearsed the soprano part & ended up singing tenor because there was only one & he was too insecure to sing by himself - good thing it was a high part. > There's also plenty of pieces which I've sung from memory both as tenor > and bass. That's helpful, too, except that if my attention wanders I'm > liable to accidentally sing the wrong part > There are a lot of pieces that I know several parts really well - one time I arrived a bit late for choir, and they were already singing. I joined in as I hung up my coat, hunted in my bag for a pencil & got out my music, but realized as I took my place that I had been singing the wrong part. It got especially confusing when I was in 3 different choirs singing S1, S2, & A1 and we ended up doing some of the same pieces at the same time. There is no way I would have let my scores go, because as well as singing different parts, the directors had quite different interpretations, and I needed my notes! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
On 7/19/05, John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But I've also known legit choral conductors who insist on > memorization because (a) you don't really know the music inside out > until you've memorized it, (b) you can't concentrate on the > conductor's every gesture and expression when half your attention is > on the page, and (c) you can't really focus on musical matters like > fine tuning, balance, blend, and accurate pronunciation when half > your attention is on the page. I actually find it easier to focus on things like tuning & balance if I have my score, because I can see what the other parts are doing - I'm always reading my own part & at least one other. Or are you suggesting that all the parts be memorized? > > Joe Gingold (former concertmaster of the Cleveland Orchestra) > emphasized to the string players at Indiana that you always go to the > first rehearsal with the music completely learned--unless you're the > concertmaster. Then you go to the first rehearsal with the music > memorized, so you can give your undivided attention to the conductor. > That's what the choral conductors i mentioned are after, too. > I wish more choirs would do that - or at least the 2nd rehearsal. I used to always take my music home & have it learned by the 2nd rehearsal, but I stopped bothering, because it happened so often that I would end up getting impatient waiting for the others to learn notes. I eventually moved churches to be in a better choir, because it was just too frustrating. > > Of course they do, and that's typical of recreational singing. > Instrumentalists learn to read music in beginning band; singers too > often don't. They aren't professionals, they don't have advanced > training, and reading music is not high on their list of priorities. That surprises me - learning to read music was just as much part of school choir as it was part of orchestra. Keeners learned to sightread well, but everyone at least knew enough to read simple pieces, and plunk out their lines on a piano if they were having trouble. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Blowing O.T.
On 7/17/05, John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Now where you have a problem with shifting meanings rather than with > archaic slang is with the pre-WW 2 songs that use "gay" simply to > mean "happy," like "Glitter and Be Gay" and a ton of others. "Don we > now our gay apparel?" Not cool! Or to be more realistic, not the > originally-intended meaning. > A gay men's chorus used "Don we now our gay apparel" as the title of their December concert one year. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] fees?
Another question - how do you decide how much to charge? I have done a lot of scores for choirs I sing with, but have always donated my time. Now I've got a composer asking if I have time to do some choral scores for him & what are my rates, and I have no idea what is reasonable. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Chant notation
Thanks for all the info!! On 6/5/05, Noel Stoutenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Depends upon how authentic you want your chant to appear. If you are > wanting to do Chant for a schola skilled in reading and singing from > square notation, the "Medieval" plug in is capable of accomplishing > this, for a fee. Not needed at the moment, but I will probably want this eventually - it this something I would order from Finale or somewhere else? > If all you need is a plainsong line, with square notation, the St. > Meinrad fonts by themselves will do the trick. > Is there a website? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Chant notation
Is there any way to make Finale do gregorian chant? Lora ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
