Re: [Finale] #5
On 11/20/2013 10:32 PM, John Witmer wrote: > My music theory teacher always called them "on purposes", not accidentals' > I tell my students they're call "accidentals" because that's where the most common and prolific musical accidents happen. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] #5
Accidental: something that happens, when the music strays from its original key. Klaus > > From: John Witmer >To: finale@shsu.edu >Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 4:32 AM >Subject: Re: [Finale] #5 > > >My music theory teacher always called them "on purposes", not accidentals' > >John >- Original Message - >From: "terry cano" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:52 PM >Subject: Re: [Finale] #5 > > >> OK so while we are on the subject ;) Why are accidentals called >> accidentals? 'don't bout you but I place them there on purpose not by >> accident ;) Actually, that statement is from a composition teacher that I >> once had. >> It is one of my favorites. >> Terry >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:16 AM, Chuck Israels >> wrote: >> >> There's a reason they are called "courtesy". >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Jim Dukey wrote: >> >>> Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players, >>> from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever >>> played in. >>> Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals. >>> Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked >>> in. >>> Or the Conductor. >>> See how they ruined them… >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> Chuck Israels >> 8831 SE 12th Ave. >> Portland, OR 97202-7097 >> >> land line: (503) 954-2107 >> cell phone: (360) 201-3434 >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > > > >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] #5
My music theory teacher always called them "on purposes", not accidentals' John - Original Message - From: "terry cano" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] #5 > OK so while we are on the subject ;) Why are accidentals called > accidentals? 'don't bout you but I place them there on purpose not by > accident ;) Actually, that statement is from a composition teacher that I > once had. > It is one of my favorites. > Terry > > > > > > On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:16 AM, Chuck Israels > wrote: > > There's a reason they are called "courtesy". > > Chuck > > > On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Jim Dukey wrote: > >> Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players, >> from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever >> played in. >> Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals. >> Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked >> in. >> Or the Conductor. >> See how they ruined them… >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > Chuck Israels > 8831 SE 12th Ave. > Portland, OR 97202-7097 > > land line: (503) 954-2107 > cell phone: (360) 201-3434 > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] #5
OK so while we are on the subject ;) Why are accidentals called accidentals? 'don't bout you but I place them there on purpose not by accident ;) Actually, that statement is from a composition teacher that I once had. It is one of my favorites. Terry On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:16 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: There's a reason they are called "courtesy". Chuck On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Jim Dukey wrote: > Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players, > from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever played in. > Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals. > Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked in. > Or the Conductor. > See how they ruined them… > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] #5
There's a reason they are called "courtesy". Chuck On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Jim Dukey wrote: > Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players, > from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever played in. > Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals. > Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked in. > Or the Conductor. > See how they ruined them… > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] #5
Weak? Then I've known and played with SO Many Weak Players, from the San Francisco Symphony, and virtually ALL groups I've ever played in. Players who mark their parts to be SURE of the accidentals. Check your precious Finale Parts sometime, see what the players marked in. Or the Conductor. See how they ruined them… ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 5 more Mac plug-ins
Thank you, Jari. Chuck On Jan 16, 2011, at 3:23 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > Hello! > > These plug-ins are now also ported to the Mac: > * JW Topline Notation > * JW Tie > * JW AlphaNotes > * JW Merge Articulations > * JW Keep Line > > Download at the Finale tips site, "Downloads" section, "Plug-ins for Mac" > subsection. > www.finaletips.nu > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-3162 phone: (503) 926-7952 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 5 more Mac plug-ins
Great! I tried the Merge Layers, Keep Line and Merge Articulations on my Mac (Intel Core 2 Duo, OS 10.6.6, Finale 2011c ): everything seems fine. Michael On 16 Jan 2011, at 12:23, Jari Williamsson wrote: > Hello! > > These plug-ins are now also ported to the Mac: > * JW Topline Notation > * JW Tie > * JW AlphaNotes > * JW Merge Articulations > * JW Keep Line > > Download at the Finale tips site, "Downloads" section, "Plug-ins for Mac" > subsection. > www.finaletips.nu > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 5 more Mac plug-ins
*passes out* Very cool. Thanks Sent from my iSomething On Jan 16, 2011, at 4:11 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: > Hello! > > These plug-ins are now also ported to the Mac: > * JW Topline Notation > * JW Tie > * JW AlphaNotes > * JW Merge Articulations > * JW Keep Line > > Download at the Finale tips site, "Downloads" section, "Plug-ins for Mac" > subsection. > www.finaletips.nu > > > Best regards, > > Jari Williamsson > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 5 more Mac plug-ins
Hello! These plug-ins are now also ported to the Mac: * JW Topline Notation * JW Tie * JW AlphaNotes * JW Merge Articulations * JW Keep Line Download at the Finale tips site, "Downloads" section, "Plug-ins for Mac" subsection. www.finaletips.nu Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
Thanks Andrew, Johannes, Robert, Eric and others who replied to my question on which version to get for OSX. "Santa" brought Finale 2005 and I'll confess I've used it only once (had to get over the shock of how much different the GUI looked from that of 2002!), but at least I now have a version that can live in OSX. Everything seems to be working and the MIDI interface talks to the Yamaha keyboard without problems. To Johannes: You asked why I wasn't touching 10.4 with a ten-foot pole (upgrading from 10.3.9), it has to do with my needing to continue to be able to use a lot of old OS9-only software (Word 5a, PageMaker 6.5 and 7, MYOB 4, etc.) and old peripherals (ZIP 100 SCSI drive, Apple Personal LaserWriter NTR [runs with an Asante Ethernet Bridge], SCSI UMAX scanner, etc.) I think I read that people who have been using old SCSI equipment have problems once they move from 10.3.9 to 10.4, and I just can't risk mucking anything up right now (Michael Anthony seems to have lost my address and that million-dollar-check hasn't arrived yet!) since "Santa" probably won't bring me a whole new software collection and new peripherals. (Smiles) To everybody: Anyway, thanks for all of your help. I've been reading about 2006b and will probably stay put until 2008c comes along. Happy New Year to all!! Thurletta Brown-Gavins On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:00:44 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Message: 25 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:44:36 +0100 From: Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 03.11.2005 Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote: I currently use Finale 2002 in OS 9.2.2 on a dual-boot (OS 9.2.2 and 10.3.9) G4 with a MidiMan 1x1 and Yamaha PSR-79 keyboard. I use it only six or seven times a year for choir/organ music (inserting paraphrased lyrics into hymns, transposing, putting refinishing touches on my Christmas anthem, creating a decent funeral-recessional based on "Caisson Song" [I kid you not!], etc., but when I use it, I need it to work *perfectly* without any problems. That's the case now with 2002, but it sure would be nice to be able to work in OS 10.3.9 (don't plan to touch 10.4 with a ten-foot pole). To be honest, if you find that 2002 is perfect on System 9, I don't think you will find 2k6 much worse. From my own experience 2k6 is much more stable than anything on System 9, simply because System 9 itself was too buggy. To be fair, I have not been hit by the latest scary bug, nor by the file overwrite bug or the text block bug. I assume this is because a) I hardly ever work with more than one file open, and b) because I don't let Finale run for more than a day without restarting it. No software I ever owned worked *perfectly* without any problems. A backup strategy that fits your needs is always recommendable. Why will you not touch 10.4? I am still on 10.3.9, but I am planning to upgrade soon. What should I be prepared for? Johannes ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
On Nov 4, 2005, at 8:31 AM, Javier Ruiz wrote: Dear Andrew, Why are not you using 10.3.9? It is very, very stable. (I know, I know, it ain´t broke...) Past experience has taught me never, under any circumstances, to upgrade an operating system on an existing computer. Stuff crashes. Data gets lost. Expensive software stops working, or develops bugs. One's real work suffers weeks of downtime. I realize there are lots and lots of other people who blithely install every new system upgrade that comes down the pike, but they either have a far higher tolerance than I for the inevitable upgrade woes, or there is something I simply don't understand about how to go about such things. BTW: Yes, I did upgrade from OS 10.0 to 10.3--but I did so when the OSX side of my iMac was still a virgin system on which I'd done no work. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
Dear Andrew, Why are not you using 10.3.9? It is very, very stable. (I know, I know, it ain´t broke...) Javier Ruiz The 3/11/05 18:09, Andrew Stiller escribió/wrote: > I have a system very similar to yours: a dual-boot iMac. I keep Finale > 2K2 in System 9, and 2K4 in OSX 10.3.3. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
On 03.11.2005 Andrew Stiller wrote: IMO Finale 2K2 was the finest iteration of the program ever produced. I would still be using it today were it not for the fact that it will not run in OSX, and System 9 is dying. Because of the necessity of jumping to OSX (which I loathe, hate, and despise, but what ya gonna do?) I now do most of my work in 2K4, which is nice and stable, and has only minor bugs. 2K5, by all reports, is similar. Given the bugs in 2K6, you should by no means purchase it, discount or no. You *should* however get 2K5 because sooner or later you're not going to be able to use System 9, or any application tied to it, and will need to update all your Finale files with an OSX-ready version--a job better done now than later. It is interesting how experiences vary. I found 2k4 pretty unusable on the Mac. Slow and buggy. 2k5 was much better, and personally I prefer 2k6. But then I have not been hit by the bugs. There are certainly problems in all versions of Finale. Contrary to what other people say I do not believe that 2k6 crashes any more than 2k5 or 2k4, if you only do the same things with it. When GPO comes into play things may indeed be different, simply because GPO eats resources, especially memory. However, as long as you don't activate it this shouldn't be a problem. The dataloss bug does indeed sound serious, no doubt. However, by my own experience I believe it is pretty unlikely to happen if you only have one document open at the time - I have used 2k6 pretty heavily in the last few months and I have not seen any sign of the bug. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
On 03.11.2005 Eric Dannewitz wrote: It also depends on your system. I have a G4 933Mhz, and a MiniMac. Both are maxed out in ram. With Finale 2006, both are unstable, the MiniMac being the most unstable (crashes when printing). The 933 G4 also will randomly dump out of Finale 2006. I cannot remember if Finale 2005 did that, but I'm pretty sure it was way more stable than 2006. Basically, you are getting GPO with 2006. Which, in my opinion, is fluff. The one real advantage I find with 2k6 is the far superior screen display on the Mac platform. Antialiasing is brilliant, I can still read the notes while looking at a whole page on my 14" iBook. For this reason I will not go back. I have not found 2k6 to crash more. I hardly use GPO though (although I even have the full GPO, too). Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
On Nov 3, 2005, at 7:43 AM, Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote: Since resources are tight, do I upgrade to 2005, spring for the buggy 2006 before the upgrade offer expires in December and pray things will be resolved, or wait for 2007? I have a system very similar to yours: a dual-boot iMac. I keep Finale 2K2 in System 9, and 2K4 in OSX 10.3.3. IMO Finale 2K2 was the finest iteration of the program ever produced. I would still be using it today were it not for the fact that it will not run in OSX, and System 9 is dying. Because of the necessity of jumping to OSX (which I loathe, hate, and despise, but what ya gonna do?) I now do most of my work in 2K4, which is nice and stable, and has only minor bugs. 2K5, by all reports, is similar. Given the bugs in 2K6, you should by no means purchase it, discount or no. You *should* however get 2K5 because sooner or later you're not going to be able to use System 9, or any application tied to it, and will need to update all your Finale files with an OSX-ready version--a job better done now than later. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
I wouldn't touch 2006 with a 20 foot pole. It is really buggy, slow, and generally a waste of money in my opinion. 2005 was the last version that was any good (in my opinion). However, I do think that 10.4 is the system to use. I've noticed speed gains on my aging systems. It also depends on your system. I have a G4 933Mhz, and a MiniMac. Both are maxed out in ram. With Finale 2006, both are unstable, the MiniMac being the most unstable (crashes when printing). The 933 G4 also will randomly dump out of Finale 2006. I cannot remember if Finale 2005 did that, but I'm pretty sure it was way more stable than 2006. Basically, you are getting GPO with 2006. Which, in my opinion, is fluff. Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote: I currently use Finale 2002 in OS 9.2.2 on a dual-boot (OS 9.2.2 and 10.3.9) G4 with a MidiMan 1x1 and Yamaha PSR-79 keyboard. I use it only six or seven times a year for choir/organ music (inserting paraphrased lyrics into hymns, transposing, putting refinishing touches on my Christmas anthem, creating a decent funeral-recessional based on "Caisson Song" [I kid you not!], etc., but when I use it, I need it to work *perfectly* without any problems. That's the case now with 2002, but it sure would be nice to be able to work in OS 10.3.9 (don't plan to touch 10.4 with a ten-foot pole). Have been reading about bugs in 2006...and today some folks were talking about bugs in 2005. The question is: Since resources are tight, do I upgrade to 2005, spring for the buggy 2006 before the upgrade offer expires in December and pray things will be resolved, or wait for 2007? (As an illustration of tight resources, I used Finale 3.7 until the "amnesty upgrade offer" for $99 came into being for 2002!) Your thoughts would be appreciated before the current 2006 upgrade offer expires in December and all the 2005's disappear from eBay. I'll probably not be lucky enough to get another "$99 amnesty offer" from MakeMusic in this lifetime. ;o) Thanks, Thurletta M. Brown-Gavins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
I use Fin05b under 10.3.9 with few problems. There is no getting around that fact that Fin02 under 9.2.2 runs faster and more responsively on the same hardware than any OSX version of Finale under OSX (including the vaunted Fin06). But this is more than offset by the stability of OSX and the removal of the need to reboot any time you want to go into Finale, especially since you use Finale so infreqently. I would not adopt Fin06 before the 2006b update, assuming such a thing happens. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
On 03.11.2005 Thurletta Brown-Gavins wrote: I currently use Finale 2002 in OS 9.2.2 on a dual-boot (OS 9.2.2 and 10.3.9) G4 with a MidiMan 1x1 and Yamaha PSR-79 keyboard. I use it only six or seven times a year for choir/organ music (inserting paraphrased lyrics into hymns, transposing, putting refinishing touches on my Christmas anthem, creating a decent funeral-recessional based on "Caisson Song" [I kid you not!], etc., but when I use it, I need it to work *perfectly* without any problems. That's the case now with 2002, but it sure would be nice to be able to work in OS 10.3.9 (don't plan to touch 10.4 with a ten-foot pole). To be honest, if you find that 2002 is perfect on System 9, I don't think you will find 2k6 much worse. From my own experience 2k6 is much more stable than anything on System 9, simply because System 9 itself was too buggy. To be fair, I have not been hit by the latest scary bug, nor by the file overwrite bug or the text block bug. I assume this is because a) I hardly ever work with more than one file open, and b) because I don't let Finale run for more than a day without restarting it. No software I ever owned worked *perfectly* without any problems. A backup strategy that fits your needs is always recommendable. Why will you not touch 10.4? I am still on 10.3.9, but I am planning to upgrade soon. What should I be prepared for? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Mac Finale 5, 6 or 7. That is the question
I currently use Finale 2002 in OS 9.2.2 on a dual-boot (OS 9.2.2 and 10.3.9) G4 with a MidiMan 1x1 and Yamaha PSR-79 keyboard. I use it only six or seven times a year for choir/organ music (inserting paraphrased lyrics into hymns, transposing, putting refinishing touches on my Christmas anthem, creating a decent funeral-recessional based on "Caisson Song" [I kid you not!], etc., but when I use it, I need it to work *perfectly* without any problems. That's the case now with 2002, but it sure would be nice to be able to work in OS 10.3.9 (don't plan to touch 10.4 with a ten-foot pole). Have been reading about bugs in 2006...and today some folks were talking about bugs in 2005. The question is: Since resources are tight, do I upgrade to 2005, spring for the buggy 2006 before the upgrade offer expires in December and pray things will be resolved, or wait for 2007? (As an illustration of tight resources, I used Finale 3.7 until the "amnesty upgrade offer" for $99 came into being for 2002!) Your thoughts would be appreciated before the current 2006 upgrade offer expires in December and all the 2005's disappear from eBay. I'll probably not be lucky enough to get another "$99 amnesty offer" from MakeMusic in this lifetime. ;o) Thanks, Thurletta M. Brown-Gavins ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
