Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
Sorry Jari; most certainly I am using the wrong terminology here. How I understood the advice, and how I tested it, was to add the vocal staff to the horn parts, and use a (new) staff style with Force hide staff (and collapse) for the parts where the vocal parts shouldn't be visible. Seems to work fairly well. /DT 2013/12/20 Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se On 2013-12-19 15:26, Dan Tillberg wrote: Perhaps the other suggestion, extract the parts together with the vocal line and then hide parts not necessary is what I am looking for. Why would the part extraction be necessary in this case? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Advice for a new need...?
Hi folks, I have run upon a need I haven't encountered before even if it probably isn't something extremely uncommon... I have a rubato part of a vocal chart, in which some wind instruments should follow the voice by playing long notes. To be able to change note at the right time (if a conductor isn't available or capable), I would like to let the wind players be able to see the vocal part in this section so they understand where the vocalist is, and this extra information needs to be in the part and together with their own staff. I havent't tested yet but when thinking about it I can only see one obvious solution and that would be to add an extra staff for each wind player, add this to the respective parts and copy the vocal part to these for this section. Then use the functionality to only show non-empty staves in the part (can't remember the name of this feature but I have used it earlier in some piano parts). Perhaps this would do it. But is there a more clever way? The best would of course be something more sophisticated so that if I change something in the vocal part it should change in all parts showing it as well. Please share your experience and great knowledge. Thanks /D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
Maybe I did not understand, but can't you just extract each staff together with the vocal line and then hyde bars you don't need to be shown? -- Gippo Mercoli www.clubgippo.com Il giorno 19/dic/2013, alle ore 14:57, Dan Tillberg dan.h.tillb...@gmail.com ha scritto: Hi folks, I have run upon a need I haven't encountered before even if it probably isn't something extremely uncommon... I have a rubato part of a vocal chart, in which some wind instruments should follow the voice by playing long notes. To be able to change note at the right time (if a conductor isn't available or capable), I would like to let the wind players be able to see the vocal part in this section so they understand where the vocalist is, and this extra information needs to be in the part and together with their own staff. I havent't tested yet but when thinking about it I can only see one obvious solution and that would be to add an extra staff for each wind player, add this to the respective parts and copy the vocal part to these for this section. Then use the functionality to only show non-empty staves in the part (can't remember the name of this feature but I have used it earlier in some piano parts). Perhaps this would do it. But is there a more clever way? The best would of course be something more sophisticated so that if I change something in the vocal part it should change in all parts showing it as well. Please share your experience and great knowledge. Thanks /D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
Just put the vocal part in another layer. You can copy it in with Show Active Layer Only activated (so it doesn't overwrite the part that is there already) then reduce it in size. Change the octave to avoid collisions, because of course the register is not essential. Christopher On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 8:57 AM, Dan Tillberg wrote: Hi folks, I have run upon a need I haven't encountered before even if it probably isn't something extremely uncommon... I have a rubato part of a vocal chart, in which some wind instruments should follow the voice by playing long notes. To be able to change note at the right time (if a conductor isn't available or capable), I would like to let the wind players be able to see the vocal part in this section so they understand where the vocalist is, and this extra information needs to be in the part and together with their own staff. I havent't tested yet but when thinking about it I can only see one obvious solution and that would be to add an extra staff for each wind player, add this to the respective parts and copy the vocal part to these for this section. Then use the functionality to only show non-empty staves in the part (can't remember the name of this feature but I have used it earlier in some piano parts). Perhaps this would do it. But is there a more clever way? The best would of course be something more sophisticated so that if I change something in the vocal part it should change in all parts showing it as well. Please share your experience and great knowledge. Thanks /D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
OK but I would like to vocal part in a separate staff and not mixed with the normal wind staff. Perhaps the other suggestion, extract the parts together with the vocal line and then hide parts not necessary is what I am looking for. I'll try that. Thanks both :-) /D 2013/12/19 Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca Just put the vocal part in another layer. You can copy it in with Show Active Layer Only activated (so it doesn't overwrite the part that is there already) then reduce it in size. Change the octave to avoid collisions, because of course the register is not essential. Christopher On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 8:57 AM, Dan Tillberg wrote: Hi folks, I have run upon a need I haven't encountered before even if it probably isn't something extremely uncommon... I have a rubato part of a vocal chart, in which some wind instruments should follow the voice by playing long notes. To be able to change note at the right time (if a conductor isn't available or capable), I would like to let the wind players be able to see the vocal part in this section so they understand where the vocalist is, and this extra information needs to be in the part and together with their own staff. I havent't tested yet but when thinking about it I can only see one obvious solution and that would be to add an extra staff for each wind player, add this to the respective parts and copy the vocal part to these for this section. Then use the functionality to only show non-empty staves in the part (can't remember the name of this feature but I have used it earlier in some piano parts). Perhaps this would do it. But is there a more clever way? The best would of course be something more sophisticated so that if I change something in the vocal part it should change in all parts showing it as well. Please share your experience and great knowledge. Thanks /D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
Here's a related question: how do linked parts handle ossia staves? Cleanly or with problems? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Dan Tillberg dan.h.tillb...@gmail.com wrote: OK but I would like to vocal part in a separate staff and not mixed with the normal wind staff. Perhaps the other suggestion, extract the parts together with the vocal line and then hide parts not necessary is what I am looking for. I'll try that. Thanks both :-) /D 2013/12/19 Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca Just put the vocal part in another layer. You can copy it in with Show Active Layer Only activated (so it doesn't overwrite the part that is there already) then reduce it in size. Change the octave to avoid collisions, because of course the register is not essential. Christopher On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 8:57 AM, Dan Tillberg wrote: Hi folks, I have run upon a need I haven't encountered before even if it probably isn't something extremely uncommon... I have a rubato part of a vocal chart, in which some wind instruments should follow the voice by playing long notes. To be able to change note at the right time (if a conductor isn't available or capable), I would like to let the wind players be able to see the vocal part in this section so they understand where the vocalist is, and this extra information needs to be in the part and together with their own staff. I havent't tested yet but when thinking about it I can only see one obvious solution and that would be to add an extra staff for each wind player, add this to the respective parts and copy the vocal part to these for this section. Then use the functionality to only show non-empty staves in the part (can't remember the name of this feature but I have used it earlier in some piano parts). Perhaps this would do it. But is there a more clever way? The best would of course be something more sophisticated so that if I change something in the vocal part it should change in all parts showing it as well. Please share your experience and great knowledge. Thanks /D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
Ossias (with the Ossia tool) are always terrible. To make an Ossia, I strongly suggest adding another staff that is reduced in size (you'll have to add it to the part in Manage Parts), and hide it in the systems where it is not used, forcing it blank with a Staff Style when it is empty on the same system. Christopher On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 9:39 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Here's a related question: how do linked parts handle ossia staves? Cleanly or with problems? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
This is one of the things that would be helped with opaque empty text boxes that could be set to the topmost graphics layer to hide things. Always hoping that someone will tell me it's possible.. Steve P. On 19 Dec 2013, at 18:19, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Ossias (with the Ossia tool) are always terrible. To make an Ossia, I strongly suggest adding another staff that is reduced in size (you'll have to add it to the part in Manage Parts), and hide it in the systems where it is not used, forcing it blank with a Staff Style when it is empty on the same system. Christopher On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 9:39 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Here's a related question: how do linked parts handle ossia staves? Cleanly or with problems? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
On 2013-12-19 23:41, Steve Parker wrote: This is one of the things that would be helped with opaque empty text boxes that could be set to the topmost graphics layer to hide things. Always hoping that someone will tell me it's possible.. It's possible. But I don't see how that would be better than Christopher's suggestion. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
I don't think that's necessary here. The Staff Style works well, and you can assign to only the part. For what gets drawn first (and thus covered by something else) I never quite understood it. Jari Williamson and jef chippewa seem to understand these things better than I do. Christopher On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 5:41 PM, Steve Parker wrote: This is one of the things that would be helped with opaque empty text boxes that could be set to the topmost graphics layer to hide things. Always hoping that someone will tell me it's possible.. Steve P. On 19 Dec 2013, at 18:19, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Ossias (with the Ossia tool) are always terrible. To make an Ossia, I strongly suggest adding another staff that is reduced in size (you'll have to add it to the part in Manage Parts), and hide it in the systems where it is not used, forcing it blank with a Staff Style when it is empty on the same system. Christopher On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 9:39 AM, Williams, Jim wrote: Here's a related question: how do linked parts handle ossia staves? Cleanly or with problems? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
On 2013-12-19 15:26, Dan Tillberg wrote: Perhaps the other suggestion, extract the parts together with the vocal line and then hide parts not necessary is what I am looking for. Why would the part extraction be necessary in this case? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
No.. not better.. in addition too.. Create stave - use empty text box to cut away, so ossia can be as short as you want. Steve P. On 19 Dec 2013, at 23:03, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2013-12-19 23:41, Steve Parker wrote: This is one of the things that would be helped with opaque empty text boxes that could be set to the topmost graphics layer to hide things. Always hoping that someone will tell me it's possible.. It's possible. But I don't see how that would be better than Christopher's suggestion. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
If it's possible, how do I make an opaque text box? I have a hundred uses for it! Steve P. On 19 Dec 2013, at 23:03, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2013-12-19 23:41, Steve Parker wrote: This is one of the things that would be helped with opaque empty text boxes that could be set to the topmost graphics layer to hide things. Always hoping that someone will tell me it's possible.. It's possible. But I don't see how that would be better than Christopher's suggestion. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Advice for a new need...?
I still don't get it. The hide everything staff style will also make an ossia as short as you want, won't it? Christopher On Thu Dec 19, at ThursdayDec 19 6:21 PM, Steve Parker wrote: No.. not better.. in addition too.. Create stave - use empty text box to cut away, so ossia can be as short as you want. Steve P. On 19 Dec 2013, at 23:03, Jari Williamsson jari.williams...@mailbox.swipnet.se wrote: On 2013-12-19 23:41, Steve Parker wrote: This is one of the things that would be helped with opaque empty text boxes that could be set to the topmost graphics layer to hide things. Always hoping that someone will tell me it's possible.. It's possible. But I don't see how that would be better than Christopher's suggestion. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
