Re: [Finale] Brahms, Dvorak and Ragtime
Aaron Rabushka wrote: Aaron J. Rabushka who still doesn't like the Brahms violin concerto and wonders what would've happened had ragtime fallen into the hands of Tchaikovsky (bigoted as he was) or Dvorák That's what came to my mind, when I read that possible quote of Brahms concerning the rhythms of ragtime, is that his friend Dvorak's rhythms were sometimes not that far from rags already. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Brahms, Dvorak and Ragtime
Yes, Dvorak's rhythm has a verve and bounce (the scherzo/dumka of the 7th symphony comes to mind) that is very distinct from Brahms. Lively yes, but not ragtime. Now that you mention it the 2nd theme of the New World may be a Peacherine-type tune with its emphatic downbeats, even if the presentation doesn't emphasis any possible ragtime kinship. Great music whatever you call it. It was interesting that when some Czech musicians recorded my ragtime-type CATV tune the violinist didn't understand ragtime or czas s'miaty (my attempt to say rag's time in Polish), but when I said Scott Joplin he started playing phrases from The Entertainer. And gave an excellent performance of my CATV stuff. Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Brahms, Dvorak and Ragtime
There is a little swing figure in Brahms 2nd Piano Concerto. In the clarinets. I remember the giggles from their section when it was first discovered in rehearsal. That pre-dates the swing band by, what, 50 years? Richard Smith www.rgsmithmusic.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Raymond Horton Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Brahms, Dvorak and Ragtime Aaron Rabushka wrote: Aaron J. Rabushka who still doesn't like the Brahms violin concerto and wonders what would've happened had ragtime fallen into the hands of Tchaikovsky (bigoted as he was) or Dvorák That's what came to my mind, when I read that possible quote of Brahms concerning the rhythms of ragtime, is that his friend Dvorak's rhythms were sometimes not that far from rags already. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 8/7/2007 4:06 PM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Brahms, Dvorak and Ragtime
When I was young, I was certain that the ending of the New World symphony was boogie-woogie. Anachronistic of course, but it is now generally accepted that D. really did make use of music he heard from the Fiske Jubilee Singers, at least as a model. As to conjectures abt. how ragtime might have fared at the hands of various 19th-c. masters, I thing the closest we'll ever come is Borodin, who is known to have been influenced by Gottschalk in _Prince Igor_ Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Brahms, Dvorak and Ragtime
Personally, I've always heard Turkey in the Straw in the New World first movement! BC - Original Message - From: Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Brahms, Dvorak and Ragtime When I was young, I was certain that the ending of the New World symphony was boogie-woogie. Anachronistic of course, but it is now generally accepted that D. really did make use of music he heard from the Fiske Jubilee Singers, at least as a model. As to conjectures abt. how ragtime might have fared at the hands of various 19th-c. masters, I thing the closest we'll ever come is Borodin, who is known to have been influenced by Gottschalk in _Prince Igor_ Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
