Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
I upgraded to 2005b - even though they mention improved number positioning in regards to the shape -- my easy problem from before is still there - which basically means there is not a good default setting one can use, because the tuplet number will be off-center vertically when dealing with lower notes. Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 4:07 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: I suggest trying 2005b. Chuck On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet number was set to Times - no weird font here and still it behaves as pointed out earlier - John Blane mentioned that this might have happened in the 2005 maintenance release - which sounds right, since I hadn't upgraded before and got different results when I compared files on-screen with a guy who had upgraded (our tuplets behaved differently in identical files). Did anybody switch back because of a broken tuplet tool? Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Thomas, I had similar problems because I was using TempoTime font for the tuplet number, and the Font Annotation (FAN) file for that font is adjusted differently. Since I didn't want to fuss with changing that (maybe it's easy, but it's unfamiliar to me, so I don't know), I just changed the tuplet font to Times Bold, which has an annotation file that "Engraver Tuplets - Avoid Staff" understands, and the problem disappeared. Try that, and if it works, please let me know. I hope this helps you, as I know what an annoyance this problem can be. It took a long time for me to find the Finale/Mac tech support person who would even acknowledge that the problem was there (Carla - she's good). Chuck On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: No, I didn't - just got the new chapter 20 from Steve. After playing a bit around I have to say though that the Avoid Staves feature is broken -- there is no way in getting the same result for high and low notes in regards too placement of the tuplet number - try entering 3 quarter note tuplets (let's say A above staff) with bracket above (my publishers wants it above) - when Avoid Staves is checked a vertical number of about 32 for Tuplet or so looks good to me (Shape vertical number is set to 0) - now transpose these notes down 2 octaves and watch where the tuplet number ends up - no matter what you do, you always have to move the shape up to center around the number - the lower the note the more you have to move up the shape... seems bad to me. If anybody got that working I would be happy to know about how. Thanks, Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:30:13 +0100, Jari Williamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? It was renamed (in Fin2005a) from Enhanced Tuplets to Engraver Tuplets. Thomas: When you updated Finale to the maintenance release, did you download the User Manual updater as well? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
I suggest trying 2005b. Chuck On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:39 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet number was set to Times - no weird font here and still it behaves as pointed out earlier - John Blane mentioned that this might have happened in the 2005 maintenance release - which sounds right, since I hadn't upgraded before and got different results when I compared files on-screen with a guy who had upgraded (our tuplets behaved differently in identical files). Did anybody switch back because of a broken tuplet tool? Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Thomas, I had similar problems because I was using TempoTime font for the tuplet number, and the Font Annotation (FAN) file for that font is adjusted differently. Since I didn't want to fuss with changing that (maybe it's easy, but it's unfamiliar to me, so I don't know), I just changed the tuplet font to Times Bold, which has an annotation file that "Engraver Tuplets - Avoid Staff" understands, and the problem disappeared. Try that, and if it works, please let me know. I hope this helps you, as I know what an annoyance this problem can be. It took a long time for me to find the Finale/Mac tech support person who would even acknowledge that the problem was there (Carla - she's good). Chuck On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: No, I didn't - just got the new chapter 20 from Steve. After playing a bit around I have to say though that the Avoid Staves feature is broken -- there is no way in getting the same result for high and low notes in regards too placement of the tuplet number - try entering 3 quarter note tuplets (let's say A above staff) with bracket above (my publishers wants it above) - when Avoid Staves is checked a vertical number of about 32 for Tuplet or so looks good to me (Shape vertical number is set to 0) - now transpose these notes down 2 octaves and watch where the tuplet number ends up - no matter what you do, you always have to move the shape up to center around the number - the lower the note the more you have to move up the shape... seems bad to me. If anybody got that working I would be happy to know about how. Thanks, Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:30:13 +0100, Jari Williamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? It was renamed (in Fin2005a) from Enhanced Tuplets to Engraver Tuplets. Thomas: When you updated Finale to the maintenance release, did you download the User Manual updater as well? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
My tuplet number was set to Times - no weird font here and still it behaves as pointed out earlier - John Blane mentioned that this might have happened in the 2005 maintenance release - which sounds right, since I hadn't upgraded before and got different results when I compared files on-screen with a guy who had upgraded (our tuplets behaved differently in identical files). Did anybody switch back because of a broken tuplet tool? Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Thomas, I had similar problems because I was using TempoTime font for the tuplet number, and the Font Annotation (FAN) file for that font is adjusted differently. Since I didn't want to fuss with changing that (maybe it's easy, but it's unfamiliar to me, so I don't know), I just changed the tuplet font to Times Bold, which has an annotation file that "Engraver Tuplets - Avoid Staff" understands, and the problem disappeared. Try that, and if it works, please let me know. I hope this helps you, as I know what an annoyance this problem can be. It took a long time for me to find the Finale/Mac tech support person who would even acknowledge that the problem was there (Carla - she's good). Chuck On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: No, I didn't - just got the new chapter 20 from Steve. After playing a bit around I have to say though that the Avoid Staves feature is broken -- there is no way in getting the same result for high and low notes in regards too placement of the tuplet number - try entering 3 quarter note tuplets (let's say A above staff) with bracket above (my publishers wants it above) - when Avoid Staves is checked a vertical number of about 32 for Tuplet or so looks good to me (Shape vertical number is set to 0) - now transpose these notes down 2 octaves and watch where the tuplet number ends up - no matter what you do, you always have to move the shape up to center around the number - the lower the note the more you have to move up the shape... seems bad to me. If anybody got that working I would be happy to know about how. Thanks, Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:30:13 +0100, Jari Williamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? It was renamed (in Fin2005a) from Enhanced Tuplets to Engraver Tuplets. Thomas: When you updated Finale to the maintenance release, did you download the User Manual updater as well? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
Dear Thomas, I had similar problems because I was using TempoTime font for the tuplet number, and the Font Annotation (FAN) file for that font is adjusted differently. Since I didn't want to fuss with changing that (maybe it's easy, but it's unfamiliar to me, so I don't know), I just changed the tuplet font to Times Bold, which has an annotation file that "Engraver Tuplets - Avoid Staff" understands, and the problem disappeared. Try that, and if it works, please let me know. I hope this helps you, as I know what an annoyance this problem can be. It took a long time for me to find the Finale/Mac tech support person who would even acknowledge that the problem was there (Carla - she's good). Chuck On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:03 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: No, I didn't - just got the new chapter 20 from Steve. After playing a bit around I have to say though that the Avoid Staves feature is broken -- there is no way in getting the same result for high and low notes in regards too placement of the tuplet number - try entering 3 quarter note tuplets (let's say A above staff) with bracket above (my publishers wants it above) - when Avoid Staves is checked a vertical number of about 32 for Tuplet or so looks good to me (Shape vertical number is set to 0) - now transpose these notes down 2 octaves and watch where the tuplet number ends up - no matter what you do, you always have to move the shape up to center around the number - the lower the note the more you have to move up the shape... seems bad to me. If anybody got that working I would be happy to know about how. Thanks, Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:30:13 +0100, Jari Williamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? It was renamed (in Fin2005a) from Enhanced Tuplets to Engraver Tuplets. Thomas: When you updated Finale to the maintenance release, did you download the User Manual updater as well? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
No, I didn't - just got the new chapter 20 from Steve. After playing a bit around I have to say though that the Avoid Staves feature is broken -- there is no way in getting the same result for high and low notes in regards too placement of the tuplet number - try entering 3 quarter note tuplets (let's say A above staff) with bracket above (my publishers wants it above) - when Avoid Staves is checked a vertical number of about 32 for Tuplet or so looks good to me (Shape vertical number is set to 0) - now transpose these notes down 2 octaves and watch where the tuplet number ends up - no matter what you do, you always have to move the shape up to center around the number - the lower the note the more you have to move up the shape... seems bad to me. If anybody got that working I would be happy to know about how. Thanks, Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:30:13 +0100, Jari Williamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? It was renamed (in Fin2005a) from Enhanced Tuplets to Engraver Tuplets. Thomas: When you updated Finale to the maintenance release, did you download the User Manual updater as well? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:30:13 +0100, Jari Williamsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thomas Schaller wrote: > > My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation > > it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or > > are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? > > It was renamed (in Fin2005a) from Enhanced Tuplets to Engraver Tuplets. Thomas: When you updated Finale to the maintenance release, did you download the User Manual updater as well? -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] my blog: http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com FinaleIRC (come chat!): http://finaleirc.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
Are you looking at the right pdf manual? I'll send you the chapter seperately. On Feb 17, 2005, at 1:23 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? Thanks, Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: Do you mean something more than what is in Chapter 20: Tuplet Tool? On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: Hi, I was playing with the 2005 tuplet settings and couldn't get any satisfying results - when I tried to find documentation on things like "Engraver Tuplet" there wasn't anything there either (not on MakeMusic's site nor on the net nor in the PDF section) - did I miss something? Thanks, Thomas Schaller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
Thomas Schaller wrote: My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? It was renamed (in Fin2005a) from Enhanced Tuplets to Engraver Tuplets. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
My tuplet settings say: Engraver Tuplet -- whereas in the documentation it says Enhanced Tuplets - is it just a different naming procedure, or are there new options that the PDF files don't reflect yet? Thanks, Thomas Schaller On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:54 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: Do you mean something more than what is in Chapter 20: Tuplet Tool? On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: Hi, I was playing with the 2005 tuplet settings and couldn't get any satisfying results - when I tried to find documentation on things like "Engraver Tuplet" there wasn't anything there either (not on MakeMusic's site nor on the net nor in the PDF section) - did I miss something? Thanks, Thomas Schaller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Engraver tuplets
Do you mean something more than what is in Chapter 20: Tuplet Tool? On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:41 PM, Thomas Schaller wrote: Hi, I was playing with the 2005 tuplet settings and couldn't get any satisfying results - when I tried to find documentation on things like "Engraver Tuplet" there wasn't anything there either (not on MakeMusic's site nor on the net nor in the PDF section) - did I miss something? Thanks, Thomas Schaller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Engraver tuplets
Hi, I was playing with the 2005 tuplet settings and couldn't get any satisfying results - when I tried to find documentation on things like "Engraver Tuplet" there wasn't anything there either (not on MakeMusic's site nor on the net nor in the PDF section) - did I miss something? Thanks, Thomas Schaller ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
