Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions
Make a score first that looks correct and sounds wrong. Then duplicate file and change independent sigs to look wrong but sound right. Steve P. On 5 Jan 2012, at 00:54, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom: I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard. A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make rehearsal tapes for the singers. Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated. Cheers, Benjamin ___ Dr. Benjamin McKay Ayotte, Proprietor Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings LLC, A.S.C.A.P. www.ayottemusic.com Flash website: http://www.virtualconservatory.com/ayottemusic.html E-mail: ayottemu...@aol.com Twitter: http://www.twitter/ayottemusic Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.ayotte Academic: http://independent/academia.edu/benjaminayotte AboutMe: about.me/ayottemusic (summary page) __ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions
Ignore even more that my posts arrived out of order. Steve P. On 5 Jan 2012, at 10:44, Steve Parker wrote: Make a score first that looks correct and sounds wrong. Then duplicate file and change independent sigs to look wrong but sound right. Steve P. On 5 Jan 2012, at 00:54, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom: I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard. A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make rehearsal tapes for the singers. Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated. Cheers, Benjamin ___ Dr. Benjamin McKay Ayotte, Proprietor Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings LLC, A.S.C.A.P. www.ayottemusic.com Flash website: http://www.virtualconservatory.com/ayottemusic.html E-mail: ayottemu...@aol.com Twitter: http://www.twitter/ayottemusic Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.ayotte Academic: http://independent/academia.edu/benjaminayotte AboutMe: about.me/ayottemusic (summary page) __ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions
Dear Steve and Don,
Thank you for the tips--that was the ticket! It is certainly preferable
to have a score that looks right and sounds wrong, if that choice needs
to be made. I should have prefaced this by saying that I am compiling a
score from a set of transposed parts. That may or may not be relevant.
OK: I created a new template with no transpositions in staff
attributes, copied the sax parts, verified the correct concert pitch,
and then applied staff styles. Score and playback seem fine (!), but
the Staff Styles tool has changed my staff name from, e.g., Reed 1 to
Alto Saxophone or flute as I scroll along. I would prefer this
remain Reed 1 and I will indicate instrument changes in the score.
But this is a great solution; many thanks!
Benjamin
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Parker st...@pinkrat.co.uk
To: finale finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Thu, Jan 5, 2012 8:19 am
Subject: Re: [Finale] {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: Expressions with
associated patches *and* transpositions
Unbelievably I use staff styles all the time without ever noticing that
I could
change the way I approach doubling!
Steve P.
On 5 Jan 2012, at 12:06, David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
wrote:
On 1/5/2012 5:47 AM, Steve Parker wrote:
Ah.. please ignore my solution...
When did Finale gain Don's solution?
I believe it was Finale98 or so that staff styles were added -- in
any
event they've been in the program for many versions now.
--
David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions
Unfortunately, that great solution is gone in 2012. While playback of instrument changes is much easier now, the actual act of entering of them into the score takes three times the mouse clicks and you can't see the results. Christopher On Thu Jan 5, at ThursdayJan 5 11:50 AM, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings wrote: Dear Steve and Don, Thank you for the tips--that was the ticket! It is certainly preferable to have a score that looks right and sounds wrong, if that choice needs to be made. I should have prefaced this by saying that I am compiling a score from a set of transposed parts. That may or may not be relevant. OK: I created a new template with no transpositions in staff attributes, copied the sax parts, verified the correct concert pitch, and then applied staff styles. Score and playback seem fine (!), but the Staff Styles tool has changed my staff name from, e.g., Reed 1 to Alto Saxophone or flute as I scroll along. I would prefer this remain Reed 1 and I will indicate instrument changes in the score. But this is a great solution; many thanks! Benjamin ___ Dr. Benjamin McKay Ayotte, Proprietor Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings LLC, A.S.C.A.P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions
Dear Collective Wisdom: I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard. A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make rehearsal tapes for the singers. Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated. Cheers, Benjamin ___ Dr. Benjamin McKay Ayotte, Proprietor Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings LLC, A.S.C.A.P. www.ayottemusic.com Flash website: http://www.virtualconservatory.com/ayottemusic.html E-mail: ayottemu...@aol.com Twitter: http://www.twitter/ayottemusic Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.ayotte Academic: http://independent/academia.edu/benjaminayotte AboutMe: about.me/ayottemusic (summary page) __ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions
The answer to your question depends upon the version of Finale you have. Please tell us and we can then provide proper advice to you. ;-) Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings ayottemu...@aol.com wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom: I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard. A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make rehearsal tapes for the singers. Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated. Cheers, Benjamin ___ Dr. Benjamin McKay Ayotte, Proprietor Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings LLC, A.S.C.A.P. www.ayottemusic.com Flash website: http://www.virtualconservatory.com/ayottemusic.html E-mail: ayottemu...@aol.com Twitter: http://www.twitter/ayottemusic Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.ayotte Academic: http://independent/academia.edu/benjaminayotte AboutMe: about.me/ayottemusic (summary page) __ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions
Of course; how silly of me! Finale 2010, Windows. Thanks! -Original Message- From: Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu To: finale@shsu.edu finale@shsu.edu Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [Finale] Expressions with associated patches *and* transpositions The answer to your question depends upon the version of Finale you have. Please tell us and we can then provide proper advice to you. ;-) Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Jan 4, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Dr. Benjamin Ayotte, Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings ayottemu...@aol.com wrote: Dear Collective Wisdom: I am working on a show in which five reed players perform on multiple instruments as is, of course, very common. I have defined my expressions (e.g., To Alto, To Clarinet) as the appropriate MIDI patch, but need also to specify transposition, e.g., from E-flat alto to B-flat clarinet), but cannot accomplish this within the parameters offered. The manual is singularly unhelpful in this regard. A temporary solution that I have used is to turn off transposition and make key signatures independent under staff attributes. The score, therefore, is correct, but the playback sounds like hell. Playback is important, though not critical, for me, as I use it mostly for error detection. In this case, however, I should like to use it to make rehearsal tapes for the singers. Any advice that will be helpful and very much appreciated. Cheers, Benjamin ___ Dr. Benjamin McKay Ayotte, Proprietor Ayotte Custom Musical Engravings LLC, A.S.C.A.P. www.ayottemusic.com Flash website: http://www.virtualconservatory.com/ayottemusic.html E-mail: ayottemu...@aol.com Twitter: http://www.twitter/ayottemusic Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.ayotte Academic: http://independent/academia.edu/benjaminayotte AboutMe: about.me/ayottemusic (summary page) __ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
