Re: [Finale] Finale PDF problem (OS X)
I'm inclined to believe that the problem truly is Acrobat 5 related. Basically, Adobe released Acrobat 5 to have a version of acrobat that was usable in OSX/WinXP. Other than that, the program is useless. There are numerous problems (layers, transparency, font embedding, I could go on...) I would download Acrobat 6 and use it instead. It's actually made to be a useful program. If you can, get a postscript distiller like Acrobat distiller (I don't think it's the best, necessarily, but when it works, it works really well.) And it's true, the pdf's that Preview creates are unnecessarily large, I don't know if the free Acrobat 6 reader has the reduce file size option, but it gets rid of all the extraneous information that is left in the pdf after it's distilled to how you want it to be. Just tonight, I created a pdf of a newsletter I'm working on from a Quark document. Preview's pdf was 11 MB, Distiller's pdf was 2.8 MB. And that's before reduce file size. On 01/11/04 1:15 am, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange problem: With some files (both 2k4 and 2k5) when I create a PDF using the built-in OS X method, I get an odd problem. These PDFs look normal on screen and print fine on non-postscript printers. However, when printed from Acrobat Reader 5 to a PS-printer, some characters print as other characters (whole rests are 16th rests). From MakeMusic I am told this is a bug with Acrobat Reader 5, but I find this hard to believe. Everything is fine if I print to a PS file first and open this in Preview to convert to PDF. However, these files are about 4 times as big as PDFs created directly in the print dialog. The funny thing is that this is not necessarily reproducable. I have a feeling it also depends on the number of pages printed. If anyone knows the answer, or wants to have a look, please let me know. You need to have a PS printer to see the problem. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale PDF problem (OS X)
That is simply not within my circle of influence, I have no direct contact with the printers used to print the scores. The strange thing is that some Finale files have this problem, but others haven't, which makes me think there is something in Finale which is at least partly responsible. Johannes d. collins wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: The problem only occurs in Reader 5.x. Yes there is version 6, which does not appear to have this problem. Well, at least this would seem to confirm that the problem is with Acrobat, and not Finale. If they don't want to upgrade to 6, would they consider downgrading to 4? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale PDF problem (OS X)
Hello, Johannnes. I can confirm that the problem exists as explained by MakeMusic. Recently I had a problem with a score that printed all the whole rests as ppp sign in my PS printer. We took the PDF to a printing house with PC and still we had the same problem. However when we installed Acrobat Reader 6 the problem went away both in Mac and PC. So don´t pull your hair and just install Reader 6. Hope it helps (at least you are not alone...) Javier Ruiz Strange problem: With some files (both 2k4 and 2k5) when I create a PDF using the built-in OS X method, I get an odd problem. These PDFs look normal on screen and print fine on non-postscript printers. However, when printed from Acrobat Reader 5 to a PS-printer, some characters print as other characters (whole rests are 16th rests). From MakeMusic I am told this is a bug with Acrobat Reader 5, but I find this hard to believe. Everything is fine if I print to a PS file first and open this in Preview to convert to PDF. However, these files are about 4 times as big as PDFs created directly in the print dialog. The funny thing is that this is not necessarily reproducable. I have a feeling it also depends on the number of pages printed. If anyone knows the answer, or wants to have a look, please let me know. You need to have a PS printer to see the problem. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale PDF problem (OS X)
I don't think Apple's built in PDF capabilities let you specify a PDF version. Plus, this will not prevent anyone from opening it in Acrobat Reader 5. And I am not even sure whether the same error may actually happen with Reader 4 as well, although that I don't know. Finally for any OS X based system Acrobat Reader 4 is simply not an option (it doesn't exist). The main problem is that I have no idea who is going to deal with the file, and what software they are going to use. That's why I want to be compatible with Acrobat Reader 5 in the first place. I have had complaints about this problem several times now. The solution is to save as PS first and open the file in Preview, that will make the problem disappear, but the resulting PDF is _much_ bigger. I'll send you a file off-list. Johannes James Bailey wrote: Then I would suggest saving the file as an Acrobat 1.3 (version 4) file, if you have the capability. If you can, save the postscript and distil it. Personally, every printer I've worked with is using acrobat 4, which is in my opinion, still a pretty good piece of software. Can I look at the file? You can send it to me off-list. On 01/11/04 2:37 am, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are talking about Reader, not the full Acrobat. Acrobat Reader 6 is a totally bloated piece of software, which is the reason that many people stay with version 5. The problem is not that I can't use another version of Acrobat Reader, it's that I am sending PDFs to a client, and at his end they happen to be using version 5, which I am led to believe is now actually the most widely used version of Reader. Johannes ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale PDF problem (OS X)
At 04:45 PM 11/1/04 +0100, you wrote: The main problem is that I have no idea who is going to deal with the file, and what software they are going to use. That's why I want to be compatible with Acrobat Reader 5 in the first place. I have had complaints about this problem several times now. The solution is to save as PS first and open the file in Preview, that will make the problem disappear, but the resulting PDF is _much_ bigger. Johannes, Are you saying this is Mac-specific? In file creation? In file display? Both? Since PDFs are my main 'interface' with musicians, I'd like not to be nervous right now. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale PDF problem (OS X)
Ok, just to recapitulate: This problem occurs on some Finale files (and I have no idea what makes it appear) under the following conditions: - OS X only - PDF created directly from the print dialog (ie not using Acrobat/Distiller) - PDF printed from Acrobat Reader 5.x on any _Mac or PC_ to a postscript printer. The problem I see is that whole rests print as 16th rests. I have heard from others that the character substitution can be different. Work-arounds are: - instead of converting to PDF through the print dialog, save a PS file first, then open that file in Preview, and Save as... (this will save the PDF). Fact: The problem is Mac specific in creation, at least as far as I know. However, it will also show when the resulting PDF is printed from a PC. As far as I know there is no reason to worry if either of the following is true for you: - You create your PDFs on a Windows machine - You use Acrobat Distiller to create PDFs - You never create PDFs at all. Johannes Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 04:45 PM 11/1/04 +0100, you wrote: The main problem is that I have no idea who is going to deal with the file, and what software they are going to use. That's why I want to be compatible with Acrobat Reader 5 in the first place. I have had complaints about this problem several times now. The solution is to save as PS first and open the file in Preview, that will make the problem disappear, but the resulting PDF is _much_ bigger. Johannes, Are you saying this is Mac-specific? In file creation? In file display? Both? Since PDFs are my main 'interface' with musicians, I'd like not to be nervous right now. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
