RE: [Finale] Re: OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael)
There is a practice, still used in France, called LECTURE. It is sightreading using clefs for key transposition. It was used in other countries, but ha since been dropped. I suspect that clefs were very normal to both Messian and Gounod;-) Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE Discussion List From: David W. Fenton [lists.fin...@dfenton.com] Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:43 AM To: finale Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael) On 7 Nov 2010 at 10:42, Michael Lawlor wrote: Messiaen used soprano clef in Vingt Lecons d'Harmonie (1951). Being used to playing from C1 and various other clefs, I would be happy for them to make a come-back. Hmm. Messiaen and Gounod. I seem to recall they have something in commmon...Maybe the movable clefs persisted longer in France. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael)
Messiaen used soprano clef in Vingt Lecons d'Harmonie (1951). Being used to playing from C1 and various other clefs, I would be happy for them to make a come-back. Regards, Michael Lawlor - Original Message - 16. OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael) Message: 16 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 10:14:03 +0100 From: Florence + Michael launay-c...@gmx.net Subject: [Finale] OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts To: Finale List Mailing finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: 562964e3-4d2c-412a-93fa-31f92ae89...@gmx.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I recently received the conductor's score of Gounod's Faust (Henschelverlag Berlin, 1972). I was surprised to find C-clefs used for the voice parts in a score this recent: all female voices are written in soprano clef and the tenors in tenor clef. I thought this practice had died out in the 19th century. Can anybody point me to detailed information about the history of the use of C-clefs? And does anybody know of other 20th century editions that use them for voice parts? Michael -- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael)
On 7 Nov 2010 at 10:42, Michael Lawlor wrote: Messiaen used soprano clef in Vingt Lecons d'Harmonie (1951). Being used to playing from C1 and various other clefs, I would be happy for them to make a come-back. Hmm. Messiaen and Gounod. I seem to recall they have something in commmon...Maybe the movable clefs persisted longer in France. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OT: historical use of C clefs for voice parts (Florence + Michael)
At 12:43 PM -0500 11/7/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 7 Nov 2010 at 10:42, Michael Lawlor wrote: Messiaen used soprano clef in Vingt Lecons d'Harmonie (1951). Being used to playing from C1 and various other clefs, I would be happy for them to make a come-back. Hmm. Messiaen and Gounod. I seem to recall they have something in commmon...Maybe the movable clefs persisted longer in France. The fact that Boulanger was still teaching them supports that. And the German musicologists, of course. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
