Re: [Finale] Ties across bar lines (playback bug?)
If you've been entering them with the T, then there is no doubt that they are ties. Slurs would have been entered with the Smart Shape tool. Finale doesn't care about rules so much; it would enter either one on equal or unequal pitches. Whether they look any different depends on your settings. My settings would make the slur higher and slightly wider, so that it would contain a tie without colliding. It would be easy to confuse them in a document, though, no doubt. I'm sorry I don't have any insight into your problem. The only other thing I can think of is that you hit Play when they AREN'T tied, then Pause (instead of Stop), then tie them, then Play again. Finale only rereads the score after a Stop, so it wouldn't see any edits for playback purposes after only a Pause. Restriking a tied note is not normal, and it never happens under normal circumstances with me. Perhaps you can submit the file to Tech Support? Christopher On 1-Jan-13, at 1-Jan-13 2:56 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Two points: > > 1. In Finale, slurs and ties are completely different. This is not a > comment about musical interpretation but rather a statement about how > Finale works. You can put a tie between unequal notes and you can > put a > slur between equal notes. To use Finale effectively, you must > understand > the difference. > > 2. There are many musical cases where one sees slurs over the same > notes. > Examples: repeated chords/notes in keyboard music, music in two > parts where > one voice stays on the same pitch while another moves. Notes with > articulations. (E.g., portato bowing in string parts.) Obviously > one must > write it with care to avoid ambiguity with ties. > > On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:35 PM, William Sinclair > wrote: > >> >> I use a T or shift-T in the "simple entry" mode, so I assume it's >> a tie, >> not a slur. >> Is there a way to distinguish between the two? I never use a slur >> mark. >> >> Besides, a slur is a tie mark between two UNEQUAL pitches, It >> makes no >> sense to >> put a slur between EQUAL pitches. If you know of any exceptions, I >> would >> sure like to see them. >> I've never seen one in my 60 years of experience. >> >> Actually, for some instruments, a slur is impossible - - - does >> Finale >> still try to play them? >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: finale-request >> To: finale >> Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:00 am >> Subject: Finale Digest, Vol 114, Issue 1 >> >> >> Send Finale mailing list submissions to >> finale@shsu.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> finale-requ...@shsu.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> finale-ow...@shsu.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Finale digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 (William >> Sinclair) >>2. Re: Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 >> (Christopher Smith) >> >> >> >> Attached Message >> >> >> >> From: >> >> William Sinclair >> >> >> >> To: >> >> finale@shsu.edu >> >> >> >> Subject: >> >> [Finale] Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 >> >> >> >> Date: >> >> Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:01:34 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> >> I have also noticed that when you tie a note across a measure >> line, it >> plays the >> note TWICE. >> I pointed this out before several times. Why don't they fix this? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Attached Message >> >> >> >> From: >> >> Christopher Smith >> >> >> >> To: >> >> finale@shsu.edu >> >> >> >> Subject: >> >> Re: [Finale] Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 >> >> >> >> Date: >> >> Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:04:45 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> Are you sure you're using a tie, and not a slur? Slurs will be >> restruck; >> ties >> won't. >> >> The only time I get a tie restriking is when I tie to a note in >> another >> layer. >> >> Christopher >> >> >> On Mon Dec 31, at MondayDec 31 2:01 PM, William Sinclair wrote: >> >>> >>> I have also noticed that when you tie a note across a measure >>> line, it >> plays >> the note TWICE. >>> I pointed this out before several times. Why don't they fix this? >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties across bar lines (playback bug?)
Two points: 1. In Finale, slurs and ties are completely different. This is not a comment about musical interpretation but rather a statement about how Finale works. You can put a tie between unequal notes and you can put a slur between equal notes. To use Finale effectively, you must understand the difference. 2. There are many musical cases where one sees slurs over the same notes. Examples: repeated chords/notes in keyboard music, music in two parts where one voice stays on the same pitch while another moves. Notes with articulations. (E.g., portato bowing in string parts.) Obviously one must write it with care to avoid ambiguity with ties. On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 1:35 PM, William Sinclair wrote: > > I use a T or shift-T in the "simple entry" mode, so I assume it's a tie, > not a slur. > Is there a way to distinguish between the two? I never use a slur mark. > > Besides, a slur is a tie mark between two UNEQUAL pitches, It makes no > sense to > put a slur between EQUAL pitches. If you know of any exceptions, I would > sure like to see them. > I've never seen one in my 60 years of experience. > > Actually, for some instruments, a slur is impossible - - - does Finale > still try to play them? > > > -Original Message- > From: finale-request > To: finale > Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:00 am > Subject: Finale Digest, Vol 114, Issue 1 > > > Send Finale mailing list submissions to > finale@shsu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > finale-requ...@shsu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > finale-ow...@shsu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Finale digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 (William Sinclair) >2. Re: Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 > (Christopher Smith) > > > > Attached Message > > > > From: > > William Sinclair > > > > To: > > finale@shsu.edu > > > > Subject: > > [Finale] Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 > > > > Date: > > Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:01:34 -0500 > > > > > > I have also noticed that when you tie a note across a measure line, it > plays the > note TWICE. > I pointed this out before several times. Why don't they fix this? > > > > > > > > > Attached Message > > > > From: > > Christopher Smith > > > > To: > > finale@shsu.edu > > > > Subject: > > Re: [Finale] Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 > > > > Date: > > Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:04:45 -0500 > > > > > Are you sure you're using a tie, and not a slur? Slurs will be restruck; > ties > won't. > > The only time I get a tie restriking is when I tie to a note in another > layer. > > Christopher > > > On Mon Dec 31, at MondayDec 31 2:01 PM, William Sinclair wrote: > > > > > I have also noticed that when you tie a note across a measure line, it > plays > the note TWICE. > > I pointed this out before several times. Why don't they fix this? > > ___ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties across bar lines (playback bug?)
I use a T or shift-T in the "simple entry" mode, so I assume it's a tie, not a slur. Is there a way to distinguish between the two? I never use a slur mark. Besides, a slur is a tie mark between two UNEQUAL pitches, It makes no sense to put a slur between EQUAL pitches. If you know of any exceptions, I would sure like to see them. I've never seen one in my 60 years of experience. Actually, for some instruments, a slur is impossible - - - does Finale still try to play them? -Original Message- From: finale-request To: finale Sent: Tue, Jan 1, 2013 10:00 am Subject: Finale Digest, Vol 114, Issue 1 Send Finale mailing list submissions to finale@shsu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to finale-requ...@shsu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at finale-ow...@shsu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Finale digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 (William Sinclair) 2. Re: Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 (Christopher Smith) Attached Message From: William Sinclair To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:01:34 -0500 I have also noticed that when you tie a note across a measure line, it plays the note TWICE. I pointed this out before several times. Why don't they fix this? Attached Message From: Christopher Smith To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Playback bug: Finale Digest, Vol 113, Issue 27 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:04:45 -0500 Are you sure you're using a tie, and not a slur? Slurs will be restruck; ties won't. The only time I get a tie restriking is when I tie to a note in another layer. Christopher On Mon Dec 31, at MondayDec 31 2:01 PM, William Sinclair wrote: > > I have also noticed that when you tie a note across a measure line, it plays the note TWICE. > I pointed this out before several times. Why don't they fix this? > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
