Re: [Finale] Piano harmonics
I didn't get your previous message. But yes, I am of course talking about touching a node on the piano string with one hand while pressing the corresponding key with the other hand and holding down the sustain pedal. This is what "piano harmonics" generally means. I don't know if there's a standard term for the kind of sympathetic vibrations you describe. I've generally heard those done by silently depressing and holding down the key corresponding to a higher partial (to release the damper), then playing the fundamental -- usually a short and loud note -- to trigger a sympathetic vibration. Those are cool, but they aren't what people mean when they say "piano harmonics." Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Oct 4, 2008, at 11:18 PM, John Howell wrote: At 7:06 PM -0400 10/4/08, Darcy James Argue wrote: Not sure if the second partial is reachable on the strings I have in mind. (Hard to tell since I don't have a 9' grand kicking around to try it on.) The player will, I think need to touch the fourth partial instead. (Light bulb!!!) ARe we talking about two different things? If so, I suspect that's why I found some of the statements puzzling. I was referring to raising the dampers off certain strings so they can ring sympathetically when energized by playing low notes in the same harmonic series. I sounds as if you are talking about touching nodal points on the strings, instead. I'm not sure how the harmonic in that case would be excited, but it should be doable. But would both special effects be considered harmonics? John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano harmonics
At 7:06 PM -0400 10/4/08, Darcy James Argue wrote: Not sure if the second partial is reachable on the strings I have in mind. (Hard to tell since I don't have a 9' grand kicking around to try it on.) The player will, I think need to touch the fourth partial instead. (Light bulb!!!) ARe we talking about two different things? If so, I suspect that's why I found some of the statements puzzling. I was referring to raising the dampers off certain strings so they can ring sympathetically when energized by playing low notes in the same harmonic series. I sounds as if you are talking about touching nodal points on the strings, instead. I'm not sure how the harmonic in that case would be excited, but it should be doable. But would both special effects be considered harmonics? John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano harmonics
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So how would you notate that? > Any harmonic indication on a piano requires both the sounding pitch to be shown and a textual note, in this case, "Touch 4th partial node," or words to that effect. Piano harmonics are not a standard technique and require precise instructions to the player, who otherwise is likely not to know what to do. It is not like a fiddle, where players are used to producing harmonics. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano harmonics
Not sure if the second partial is reachable on the strings I have in mind. (Hard to tell since I don't have a 9' grand kicking around to try it on.) The player will, I think need to touch the fourth partial instead. So how would you notate that? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Oct 4, 2008, at 6:57 PM, Dana Friedman wrote: At 04:56 PM 10/4/2008, you wrote: Any standard or recommended notation for piano harmonics? Tiny little circle above the key being struck, would indicate a harmonic an octave higher. Dana ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Piano harmonics
>From witnessing the experience of others, don't assume anything about accessible or inaccessible ones on any particular instrument! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue > Sent: 04 October 2008 21:57 > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: [Finale] Piano harmonics > > > Any standard or recommended notation for piano harmonics? Any > guide to > which harmonics are generally reachable on a 9' grand? > > Cheers, > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano harmonics
Hi Robert, Thanks. Extremely helpful. I don't have any of Crumb's piano scores on hand to refer to right now, but I will take a look next time I get the chance. Would the fourth partial harmonics be unreachable on some 9' pianos due to the dampers getting in the way? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On Oct 4, 2008, at 6:52 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: 5th partial harmonics are probably the easiest, being right behind the dampers on a 9-ft. I like Crumb's notation, which is to show the notes normally in the kbd hand, the same notes in the other hand with white diamond noteheads, and above that the sounding pitches in small parenthetical notes. (it's okay to have the parenthesize notes loco while the main notes are 8vb, provided you make that clear.) Almost any of Crumb's music for piano has this notation. I can suggest Celestial Mechanics or Music for a Summer Evening to start with. But really I think any of his piano pieces have it. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Any standard or recommended notation for piano harmonics? Any guide to which harmonics are generally reachable on a 9' grand? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano harmonics
5th partial harmonics are probably the easiest, being right behind the dampers on a 9-ft. I like Crumb's notation, which is to show the notes normally in the kbd hand, the same notes in the other hand with white diamond noteheads, and above that the sounding pitches in small parenthetical notes. (it's okay to have the parenthesize notes loco while the main notes are 8vb, provided you make that clear.) Almost any of Crumb's music for piano has this notation. I can suggest Celestial Mechanics or Music for a Summer Evening to start with. But really I think any of his piano pieces have it. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any standard or recommended notation for piano harmonics? Any guide to which > harmonics are generally reachable on a 9' grand? > > Cheers, > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Piano harmonics
At 04:56 PM 10/4/2008, you wrote: Any standard or recommended notation for piano harmonics? Tiny little circle above the key being struck, would indicate a harmonic an octave higher. Dana ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
