Re: [Finale] (OT) Copyright (was Score Binding Question)

2008-08-08 Thread Blake Richardson
From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 8/3/08 1:00 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> As an aside, the reluctance of the studios to allow publication of their
>> vast wealth of orchestral film scores is inexplicable to me. I once spoke
>> with John Williams's agent and he confirmed to me that the demand for his
>> scores is deafening and the market would be quite lucrative-- certainly
>> enough to more than balance out the cost of typesetting them all-- but the
>> studios won't allow it, choosing instead to keep them locked away in a vault
>> somewhere where they don't make a penny for anyone.

> But I'm not entirely sure I believe what JW's agent said, because his
> music is widely available both in arrangements made (by permission,
> of course) by experienced orchestral or band arrangers (which are, of
> course, typeset), or in the John Williams Signature Editions (which
> cost about 10 times as much).  And don't forget that those charts
> were written for studio recording and studio mixing, and not
> necessarily for stage performance.

Interesting bit about the history of Broadway musicals. Something I did not
know.

As for the Williams stuff, yes, Hal Leonard has put out quite a bit of
Williams's work over the last few years and it's fantastic (I certainly
don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth) but unfortunately it's mostly
just the signature pieces from each film, i.e., "Raiders March", from
Raiders of the Lost Ark, "Main Title" from Superman, "Imperial March" from
Empire Strikes Back, etc.

Those of us who have been aching to see the scores to any of the sub-cues
(which are often the more spectacular and complex pieces) to Williams's film
music are still left without recourse. Tracks like "Miracle of the Ark" and
"Desert Chase" from Raiders are nowhere to be found. Likewise "The Asteroid
Field" and "Battle in the Snow" from Empire. I realize they may not be
scored specifically for stage performances and I wouldn't even expect that
the studios (should they desire to do so at all) would publish them as
performance packages (score + instrumental parts). I'd just like to see them
put out as conductor's scores only. For those of us who are
hobbyists/academicians who just like to study such things and have nice
copies of them to keep, much like one likes to have nice hardbound editions
of the works of one's favorite author.

And yes, I realize my desires on this matter will likely never be fulfilled.
It's just a shame, considering the money they could be making off of them
instead of just letting them collect dust somewhere.


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Re: [Finale] (OT) Copyright (was Score Binding Question)

2008-08-08 Thread Blake Richardson
From: Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:21:30 -0400
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On 8/4/08 1:00 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>>> As an aside, the reluctance of the studios to allow publication of
>>> their  vast wealth of orchestral film scores is inexplicable to me.

> I would dearly love to even examine the Dumbo score. Brilliant
> orchestration, highly inventive--especially "Pink Elephants on Parade."

Yes! That was one of my favorite songs as a kid. I would play it over and
over and drive my parents insane.   ;-)


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Re: [Finale] (OT) Copyright (was Score Binding Question)

2008-08-03 Thread Andrew Stiller


Blake Richardson wrote:

As an aside, the reluctance of the studios to allow publication of 
their

vast wealth of orchestral film scores is inexplicable to me.


I would dearly love to even examine the Dumbo score. Brilliant 
orchestration, highly inventive--especially "Pink Elephants on Parade."


Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://www.kallistimusic.com/

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Re: [Finale] (OT) Copyright (was Score Binding Question)

2008-08-02 Thread John Howell

At 5:25 PM -0400 8/2/08, Blake Richardson wrote:

From: John Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:49:10 -0400
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 Are we really talking about "donation" here, or plain and simple
 deposit with LC as part of the copyright process?  And are the
 copyrights in the names of the composers, or in the names of the
 movie companies?


To tell you the truth, I didn't really look into it that far. I found them
on file and when I went in to look at them, the rare materials librarian
gave me the admonishment against copying them because of their fragile state
(the Horner score is literally scotch-taped together and it seems to have
been done back in 1986 when the score was first penned because the tape is
all yellow and brittle with age). Since there were people all over the
reading room with laptops, I asked if it would be okay to do it that way and
she said it would be fine and mentioned the bit about the permissions and
research purposes.

I figure I've covered my bases and since these copies are only ever going to
be in my own home it's not like anyone will ever really notice it.


I think you have, too, and please forgive me for raising what seemed 
like logical questions at the time.



As an aside, the reluctance of the studios to allow publication of their
vast wealth of orchestral film scores is inexplicable to me. I once spoke
with John Williams's agent and he confirmed to me that the demand for his
scores is deafening and the market would be quite lucrative-- certainly
enough to more than balance out the cost of typesetting them all-- but the
studios won't allow it, choosing instead to keep them locked away in a vault
somewhere where they don't make a penny for anyone.


I suspect you're too young to remember this, but the special 
arrangements that made the Big Bands famous in the '30s and '40s were 
never published either.  They were--properly--considered proprietary 
arrangements that gave the bands their distinctive sounds and gave 
their audiences what they wanted to hear in person.  They also made 
it possible for a band to retain its sound and identity through many 
changes of personnel.  Instead there were "stock arrangements" in 
sort of the prevailing style, which did NOT duplicate the proprietary 
arrangements.


In fact, the only reason a lot of them are available today is that 
they were pirated by arrangers with good ear and subsequently 
circulated, perhaps legally but more likely not.  With the possible 
exception of military arrangers (some of them quite brilliant), who 
seem to be able to get away with anything without tripping over 
copyright laws.


And believe it or not, there was also a time when the producers of 
Broadway musicals refused to permit ANY performances outside of NYC 
and outside their own strict and absolute control in the theaters 
they were designed for.  Not even road companies.  Their attitude was 
that if you wanted to see New York theater, you could jolly well come 
to New York.  And of course the typical musical comedies were written 
BY New Yorkers, FOR New Yorkers, and ABOUT New Yorkers.  My father 
was one of the first high school directors in the Pacific Northwest 
to get permission to do a Broadway show, in the early '50s, and the 
negotiations were "interesting" because the New York agents had never 
done it before!


But I'm not entirely sure I believe what JW's agent said, because his 
music is widely available both in arrangements made (by permission, 
of course) by experienced orchestral or band arrangers (which are, of 
course, typeset), or in the John Williams Signature Editions (which 
cost about 10 times as much).  And don't forget that those charts 
were written for studio recording and studio mixing, and not 
necessarily for stage performance.


Have fun in Thailand, and you needn't worry about replying.

John


--
John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music
Virginia Tech Department of Music
College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences
Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240
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"We never play anything the same way once."  Shelly Manne's definition
of jazz musicians.
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