Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[SN jef chippewa]

i find really very little of what clients ask me 
to be unusual ;-) and providing what they request 
is my usual approach.


but in any case, it turns out the other musicians 
are transposing on sight and only the singer 
wanted a transposed part to perform from.


jef

At 11:10 AM +0200 5/7/19, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
It is quite an unusual request, to my 
experience. I would contact the client for 
further details if not I¹d provide the single 
vocal score, as requested, plus the piano-vocal 
part.


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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[Giovanni Andreani]

It is quite an unusual request, to my experience. I would contact the client 
for further details if not I’d provide the single vocal score, as requested, 
plus the piano-vocal part.

Giovanni


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> On 5 May 2019, at 11:59, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> i only rarely encounter voice in the ensemble scores i do, so any advice 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> i've been asked to create the vocal part (no other parts) for a late-18th 
> century french song for voice, violin, cello and piano. just wanted to make 
> sure that nothing aside from a couple of cues would be needed and the part 
> only requires the vocal line.  or is it standard to make voice parts as a 
> piano-vocal part (perhaps for rehearsal purposes)?
> 
> the job is for a professional ensemble that could probably sightread the 
> score.
> 
> thanks,
> jef
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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[Paolo Alberto Rismondo]

Hi,

nice question.

paolo A. Rismondo

Il 06/05/2019 02:53, Dalvin Boone ha scritto:

Sorry to waste your time, but I have to ask:  why does a singer need a
transposed part?

Dlavin Boone

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Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 6:18 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only


raymond, it is for voice (singular) and the part needs to be transposed down
a major second.  yeah i have cues for the entry and at the end of the longer
multi-measure rests.

cheers,
jef


I don¹t know what a transposed score for voices would be, unless they
are talking about the Tenor part written an octave higher than
sounding, but I will say that you do not need to Do a piano reduction
for choir, really anytime in a larger ensemble. Just give them some
cues To help them get their pitch, and you are good to go!

Raymond Horton
Composer/Arranger
Minister of Music,
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist,
Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016


  On May 5, 2019, at 11:49 AM, SN jef chippewa
 wrote:


  yeah they explicitly said they don't need the score, only a
transposed part (i don't know where the transposed score is or if
there in fact is one), and there is a fixed (small) budget that is
just too small for me to do the entire score even if i wanted to.

  thanks!



  In my experience, the singer reads from score, with the proviso
that the vocal line is immediately above the piano line and that the
other instruments on are reduced-size staves above the vocal line.
(See, for example, the score of Pierrot Lunaire
  
<https://imslp.org/wiki/Pierrot_Lunaire,_Op.21_(Schoenberg,_Arnold)>.

)


  >> The other option would be to provide a piano/vocal score with a
piano reduction of all the instrumental parts. But that may be more
trouble than you need for this particular project.


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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[Jeffrey Quick]

On 5/5/19 8:53 PM, Dalvin Boone wrote:

Sorry to waste your time, but I have to ask:  why does a singer need a
transposed part?
Even if one doesn't have perfect pitch, one tends to set the vocal 
apparatus for the pitches seen instead of the pitches to be produced. If 
I have to sing notation at a different pitch, particularly if it's more 
than a 2nd off, I'll do funny mental things with clefs to remind myself 
where I am. It's hard enough to make music without fighting the 
notation, which is why we do what we do.


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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[David H. Bailey]

On 5/5/2019 8:53 PM, Dalvin Boone wrote:

Sorry to waste your time, but I have to ask:  why does a singer need a
transposed part?


[snip]

It's common for singers to need a piece transposed to suit their 
particular vocal strengths.  Often it's done on the spot, if the 
accompanying musicians are competent enough, without the singer needing 
transposed music.


Other times the composer may feel a piece works better in a different 
key and wants the vocalist to have printed music with the correct 
pitches for the changed key.



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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[SN jef chippewa]

not a waste at all.  but i don't know, didn't ask and don't really 
need to know.  they asked me to transpose it in exchange for some 
eurobucks and are a highly skilled 35-yr old ensemble so i will 
assume they know what they're doing and take them up on their offer :P



At 8:53 PM -0400 5/5/19, Dalvin Boone wrote:
Sorry to waste your time, but I have to ask:  why does a singer need 
a transposed part?


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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[Ryszard Pusz]

Maybe if their bowtie is too tight it acts like a capo?? Then the transposed 
notes would match the sounds they make….


> On 6 May 2019, at 7:48 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> raymond, it is for voice (singular) and the part needs to be transposed down 
> a major second.  yeah i have cues for the entry and at the end of the longer 
> multi-measure rests.
> 
> cheers,
> jef
> 
>> I don¹t know what a transposed score for voices would be, unless they are 
>> talking about the Tenor part written an octave higher than sounding, but I 
>> will say that you do not need to Do a piano reduction for choir, really 
>> anytime in a larger ensemble. Just give them some cues To help them get 
>> their pitch, and you are good to go!
>> 
>> Raymond Horton
>> Composer/Arranger
>> Minister of Music,
>> Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
>> Retired Bass Trombonist,
>> Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>> 
>>> On May 5, 2019, at 11:49 AM, SN jef chippewa 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> yeah they explicitly said they don't need the score, only a transposed part 
>>> (i don't know where the transposed score is or if there in fact is one), 
>>> and there is a fixed (small) budget that is just too small for me to do the 
>>> entire score even if i wanted to.
>>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> 
>>> 
 In my experience, the singer reads from score, with the proviso that the 
 vocal line is immediately above the piano line and that the other 
 instruments on are reduced-size staves above the vocal line. (See, for 
 example, the score of Pierrot Lunaire
 .)
 
>> >> The other option would be to provide a piano/vocal score with a piano 
>> >> reduction of all the instrumental parts. But that may be more trouble 
>> >> than you need for this particular project.
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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[Dalvin Boone]

Sorry to waste your time, but I have to ask:  why does a singer need a
transposed part?

Dlavin Boone

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From: Finale  On Behalf Of SN jef chippewa
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2019 6:18 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only


raymond, it is for voice (singular) and the part needs to be transposed down
a major second.  yeah i have cues for the entry and at the end of the longer
multi-measure rests.

cheers,
jef

>I don¹t know what a transposed score for voices would be, unless they 
>are talking about the Tenor part written an octave higher than 
>sounding, but I will say that you do not need to Do a piano reduction 
>for choir, really anytime in a larger ensemble. Just give them some 
>cues To help them get their pitch, and you are good to go!
>
>Raymond Horton
>Composer/Arranger
>Minister of Music,
>Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church Retired Bass Trombonist, 
>Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016
>
>>  On May 5, 2019, at 11:49 AM, SN jef chippewa 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  yeah they explicitly said they don't need the score, only a 
>>transposed part (i don't know where the transposed score is or if 
>>there in fact is one), and there is a fixed (small) budget that is 
>>just too small for me to do the entire score even if i wanted to.
>>
>>  thanks!
>>
>>
>>>  In my experience, the singer reads from score, with the proviso 
>>>that the vocal line is immediately above the piano line and that the 
>>>other instruments on are reduced-size staves above the vocal line. 
>>>(See, for example, the score of Pierrot Lunaire
>>>  
>>><https://imslp.org/wiki/Pierrot_Lunaire,_Op.21_(Schoenberg,_Arnold)>.
>>>)
>>>
>  >> The other option would be to provide a piano/vocal score with a 
>piano reduction of all the instrumental parts. But that may be more 
>trouble than you need for this particular project.

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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[SN jef chippewa]

raymond, it is for voice (singular) and the part 
needs to be transposed down a major second.  yeah 
i have cues for the entry and at the end of the 
longer multi-measure rests.


cheers,
jef

I don¹t know what a transposed score for voices 
would be, unless they are talking about the 
Tenor part written an octave higher than 
sounding, but I will say that you do not need to 
Do a piano reduction for choir, really anytime 
in a larger ensemble. Just give them some cues 
To help them get their pitch, and you are good 
to go!


Raymond Horton
Composer/Arranger
Minister of Music,
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist,
Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016

 On May 5, 2019, at 11:49 AM, SN jef chippewa 
 wrote:



 yeah they explicitly said they don't need the 
score, only a transposed part (i don't know 
where the transposed score is or if there in 
fact is one), and there is a fixed (small) 
budget that is just too small for me to do the 
entire score even if i wanted to.


 thanks!


 In my experience, the singer reads from 
score, with the proviso that the vocal line is 
immediately above the piano line and that the 
other instruments on are reduced-size staves 
above the vocal line. (See, for example, the 
score of Pierrot Lunaire

 .)

 >> The other option would be to provide a 
piano/vocal score with a piano reduction of all 
the instrumental parts. But that may be more 
trouble than you need for this particular 
project.


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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[Raymond Horton]

I don’t know what a transposed score for voices would be, unless they are 
talking about the Tenor part written an octave higher than sounding, but I will 
say that you do not need to Do a piano reduction for choir, really anytime in a 
larger ensemble. Just give them some cues To help them get their pitch, and you 
are good to go!

Raymond Horton
Composer/Arranger 
Minister of Music, 
Edwardsville (IN) United Methodist Church
Retired Bass Trombonist,
Louisville Orchestra, 1970-2016

> On May 5, 2019, at 11:49 AM, SN jef chippewa  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> yeah they explicitly said they don't need the score, only a transposed part 
> (i don't know where the transposed score is or if there in fact is one), and 
> there is a fixed (small) budget that is just too small for me to do the 
> entire score even if i wanted to.
> 
> thanks!
> 
> 
>> In my experience, the singer reads from score, with the proviso that the 
>> vocal line is immediately above the piano line and that the other 
>> instruments on are reduced-size staves above the vocal line. (See, for 
>> example, the score of Pierrot Lunaire
>> .)
>> 
>> The other option would be to provide a piano/vocal score with a piano 
>> reduction of all the instrumental parts. But that may be more trouble than 
>> you need for this particular project.
> 
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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[SN jef chippewa]

yeah they explicitly said they don't need the score, only a 
transposed part (i don't know where the transposed score is or if 
there in fact is one), and there is a fixed (small) budget that is 
just too small for me to do the entire score even if i wanted to.


thanks!


In my experience, the singer reads from score, with the proviso that 
the vocal line is immediately above the piano line and that the 
other instruments on are reduced-size staves above the vocal line. 
(See, for example, the score of Pierrot Lunaire

.)

The other option would be to provide a piano/vocal score with a 
piano reduction of all the instrumental parts. But that may be more 
trouble than you need for this particular project.


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Re: [Finale] [OT] voice part only

[Robert Patterson]

In my experience, the singer reads from score, with the proviso that the
vocal line is immediately above the piano line and that the other
instruments on are reduced-size staves above the vocal line. (See, for
example, the score of Pierrot Lunaire
.)

The other option would be to provide a piano/vocal score with a piano
reduction of all the instrumental parts. But that may be more trouble than
you need for this particular project.

On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 5:00 AM SN jef chippewa <
shirl...@newmusicnotation.com> wrote:

>
> i only rarely encounter voice in the ensemble scores i do, so any
> advice would be appreciated.
>
> i've been asked to create the vocal part (no other parts) for a
> late-18th century french song for voice, violin, cello and piano.
> just wanted to make sure that nothing aside from a couple of cues
> would be needed and the part only requires the vocal line.  or is it
> standard to make voice parts as a piano-vocal part (perhaps for
> rehearsal purposes)?
>
> the job is for a professional ensemble that could probably sightread the
> score.
>
> thanks,
> jef
>
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