Re: [Finale] New systems get reduced in linked parts when any other part has been reduced before.
Michael, You nailed it. This is exactly the setting that causes the problems, and it is checked by default. It is exactly the same behaviour if you use the Resize Tool or if you reduce system size in Page Layout>Resize Staff System. I sent it in. In Finale 2009, the same problem is there, but when you UNcheck the item, then not only do new systems inherit their own settings as expected, but even new systems in the PIANO part are now UNreduced! Wouldn't one expect that once you had reduced the system size in a piano part that new systems in that part would also be reduced? Christopher On Sep 24, 2008, at 2:36 PM, Michael Cook wrote: I can reproduce this. There is a setting which governs this behaviour: When you use the percentage tool to resize the system in the piano part, there is an option "Update Page Format". If this option is checked, the page format for all parts is changed, meaning that any new systems in any other part will be reduced to the same percentage as in the piano part. If you uncheck this option, new systems the violin part will not be reduced. Michael On 24 Sep 2008, at 18:04, Christopher Smith wrote: Hi all, This is a bug report I sent to Tech Support. They were unable to reproduce the problem and suggest I trash my prefs, which has no effect. It happens in 2008b r.1 for Mac, and always happens, regardless. Here are the steps: *begin quote* I had reported this before and was assured it had been fixed. It most assuredly hadn't. Here is the procedure. Start a new document, say with a piano and an violin (I do this to illustrate a further problem). Add music in the piano part (I added eighth note C to fill all 30 available measures and left the last measure empty). Check the linked piano part. It runs seven systems. Check the violin part. It runs four systems of empty measures. Then go to the piano part, use the Percent tool to reduce the SYSTEM size to 60% by clicking after the time signature between staves. Check the violin part. All is well so far, in all four systems of empty measures. Back to the score. Add in notes to fill the violin part. I added eighth note C again. Now go to the violin linked part. I have to update layout to see it properly, but now the new systems starting from system 5 are the wrong size, reduced to 60% like the piano part was. If I added more music to the violin part, ALL the new systems would be reduced like this. Furthermore, I can't use the percent tool to resize the system. I can only go to the Page Layout menu and Resize Staff Systems there. Good thing I am an expert user! *end quote* Can anyone tell me if my steps cause the reported behaviour? I just finished 4 long works for theatre orchestra where I had to produce a slightly-reduced-in-size piano-vocal part before the orchestrations were finished, and ALL my linked parts exhibited this problem. I could fix it well enough, but it was a huge pain. I need some ammo before I go back and say, "Well, everyone ELSE can see the problem!" Thanks Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New systems get reduced in linked parts when any other part has been reduced before.
I can reproduce this. There is a setting which governs this behaviour: When you use the percentage tool to resize the system in the piano part, there is an option "Update Page Format". If this option is checked, the page format for all parts is changed, meaning that any new systems in any other part will be reduced to the same percentage as in the piano part. If you uncheck this option, new systems the violin part will not be reduced. Michael On 24 Sep 2008, at 18:04, Christopher Smith wrote: Hi all, This is a bug report I sent to Tech Support. They were unable to reproduce the problem and suggest I trash my prefs, which has no effect. It happens in 2008b r.1 for Mac, and always happens, regardless. Here are the steps: *begin quote* I had reported this before and was assured it had been fixed. It most assuredly hadn't. Here is the procedure. Start a new document, say with a piano and an violin (I do this to illustrate a further problem). Add music in the piano part (I added eighth note C to fill all 30 available measures and left the last measure empty). Check the linked piano part. It runs seven systems. Check the violin part. It runs four systems of empty measures. Then go to the piano part, use the Percent tool to reduce the SYSTEM size to 60% by clicking after the time signature between staves. Check the violin part. All is well so far, in all four systems of empty measures. Back to the score. Add in notes to fill the violin part. I added eighth note C again. Now go to the violin linked part. I have to update layout to see it properly, but now the new systems starting from system 5 are the wrong size, reduced to 60% like the piano part was. If I added more music to the violin part, ALL the new systems would be reduced like this. Furthermore, I can't use the percent tool to resize the system. I can only go to the Page Layout menu and Resize Staff Systems there. Good thing I am an expert user! *end quote* Can anyone tell me if my steps cause the reported behaviour? I just finished 4 long works for theatre orchestra where I had to produce a slightly-reduced-in-size piano-vocal part before the orchestrations were finished, and ALL my linked parts exhibited this problem. I could fix it well enough, but it was a huge pain. I need some ammo before I go back and say, "Well, everyone ELSE can see the problem!" Thanks Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New systems get reduced in linked parts when any other part has been reduced before.
I just followed your outline exactly, WinFin2008a, and the problem isn't there for me. the violin part remains at full size while the piano part is reduced. And in the score, both piano and violin remain full size. David H. Bailey Christopher Smith wrote: Hi all, This is a bug report I sent to Tech Support. They were unable to reproduce the problem and suggest I trash my prefs, which has no effect. It happens in 2008b r.1 for Mac, and always happens, regardless. Here are the steps: *begin quote* I had reported this before and was assured it had been fixed. It most assuredly hadn't. Here is the procedure. Start a new document, say with a piano and an violin (I do this to illustrate a further problem). Add music in the piano part (I added eighth note C to fill all 30 available measures and left the last measure empty). Check the linked piano part. It runs seven systems. Check the violin part. It runs four systems of empty measures. Then go to the piano part, use the Percent tool to reduce the SYSTEM size to 60% by clicking after the time signature between staves. Check the violin part. All is well so far, in all four systems of empty measures. Back to the score. Add in notes to fill the violin part. I added eighth note C again. Now go to the violin linked part. I have to update layout to see it properly, but now the new systems starting from system 5 are the wrong size, reduced to 60% like the piano part was. If I added more music to the violin part, ALL the new systems would be reduced like this. Furthermore, I can't use the percent tool to resize the system. I can only go to the Page Layout menu and Resize Staff Systems there. Good thing I am an expert user! *end quote* Can anyone tell me if my steps cause the reported behaviour? I just finished 4 long works for theatre orchestra where I had to produce a slightly-reduced-in-size piano-vocal part before the orchestrations were finished, and ALL my linked parts exhibited this problem. I could fix it well enough, but it was a huge pain. I need some ammo before I go back and say, "Well, everyone ELSE can see the problem!" Thanks Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New systems get reduced in linked parts when any other part has been reduced before.
Hello Christopher, I am not able to reproduce your problem either. Steve 9/24/08 11:04 AM, "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a bug report I sent to Tech Support. They were unable to > reproduce the problem and suggest I trash my prefs, which has no effect. > > It happens in 2008b r.1 for Mac, and always happens, regardless. > > Here are the steps: > > *begin quote* > > I had reported this before and was assured it had been fixed. It most > assuredly hadn't. > > Here is the procedure. Start a new document, say with a piano and an > violin (I do this to illustrate a further problem). Add music in the > piano part (I added eighth note C to fill all 30 available measures > and left the last measure empty). > > Check the linked piano part. It runs seven systems. Check the violin > part. It runs four systems of empty measures. > > Then go to the piano part, use the Percent tool to reduce the SYSTEM > size to 60% by clicking after the time signature between staves. > Check the violin part. All is well so far, in all four systems of > empty measures. > > Back to the score. Add in notes to fill the violin part. I added > eighth note C again. Now go to the violin linked part. I have to > update layout to see it properly, but now the new systems starting > from system 5 are the wrong size, reduced to 60% like the piano part > was. > > If I added more music to the violin part, ALL the new systems would > be reduced like this. Furthermore, I can't use the percent tool to > resize the system. I can only go to the Page Layout menu and Resize > Staff Systems there. Good thing I am an expert user! > > *end quote* > > Can anyone tell me if my steps cause the reported behaviour? I just > finished 4 long works for theatre orchestra where I had to produce a > slightly-reduced-in-size piano-vocal part before the orchestrations > were finished, and ALL my linked parts exhibited this problem. I > could fix it well enough, but it was a huge pain. > > I need some ammo before I go back and say, "Well, everyone ELSE can > see the problem!" > > Thanks > > Christopher > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
