Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
Hi Eric, Basically, the same as any other part, though you obviously need to indicate (at least in a general way) what manner of sounds you are looking for (square wave, bright analog organ, dark digital piano, etc). What, exactly, is the issue you're concerned about? Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Apr 2011, at 11:53 AM, Eric Dentremont wrote: This is one topic I can't seem to find on the internet (without revealing a million sites about either notation software or hindi music). How does one write a part for synthesizer in a score with more traditional instruments? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
On Mon, April 4, 2011 11:53 am, Eric Dentremont wrote: This is one topic I can't seem to find on the internet (without revealing a million sites about either notation software or hindi music). How does one write a part for synthesizer in a score with more traditional instruments? Finale works well with graphical notation, if that's what you mean. jef chippewa can help out. Here's a quick example from my own stuff (this piece is FX rather than synth, but you'll get the idea): http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/waam/return-to-nineveh.pdf Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
It seems to have inherited organ and accordion notation. Two staves like a piano, with expressions above the staff explaining the registration (to borrow an accordion term) or the stop (patchname, from organ writing.) You write the note(s) they have to press down with a dynamic, and any other controllers that are necessary are notated with the most convenient tool (like pedals, pitch bend with articulations, vibrato, opening filters and the like.) Graphic notation is common, too, along with X heads for non-pitched rhythmic sounds. There is some discussion as to whether you should notate octave-transposing sounds in the played octave or the sounding octave, but as long as you are clear as to which is needed and stay consistent, it should work out either way. I bet Dennis B-K here on the list has some great suggestions, and examples that are available on his website. Christopher On Mon Apr 4, at MondayApr 4 11:53 AM, Eric Dentremont wrote: This is one topic I can't seem to find on the internet (without revealing a million sites about either notation software or hindi music). How does one write a part for synthesizer in a score with more traditional instruments? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
In my view, a part is a part. What does it matter that it's a synth part. I'd give it a stave and go, The other musicians join in from their scores and off you go. Is there a more specific concern you had in mind? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Eric Dentremont tariswerewolf@east link.ca wrote: This is one topic I can't seem to find on the internet (without revealing a million sites about either notation software or hindi music). How does one write a part for synthesizer in a score with more traditional instruments? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
On 4 Apr 2011, at 18:04, Christopher Smith wrote: here is some discussion as to whether you should notate octave- transposing sounds in the played octave or the sounding octave, but as long as you are clear as to which is needed and stay consistent, it should work out either way. Just a small opinion, held lightly: Synth sounds often include multiple octaves so notating in the played octave may be more sensible. The other thing I could add is that it is fine to use just a single stave if that is all that is needed rather than being stuck in piano thinking. Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
Where the synth is not used extensively, I have placed it near the percussion staves, (similar to the piano part) but expecting a percussionist would be able to play the part. The score indicates the patch number, the note and duration, an indication of what the patch represent, and the volume which you want the sound to be heard: eg, bird calls, a babbling brook, wind, bells, explosion, whatever it is that you want the synth to do. The player watches his score, sets the patch, plays the note accurately, and all is well. tim On Apr 4, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Eric Dentremont wrote: This is one topic I can't seem to find on the internet (without revealing a million sites about either notation software or hindi music). How does one write a part for synthesizer in a score with more traditional instruments? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale timothy.price timothy.pr...@valley.net ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
It's of course fine to use a singe staff for piano parts as well, or to switch between single staff and grand staff on a system-by-system basis as needed. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Apr 2011, at 3:27 PM, Steve Parker wrote: On 4 Apr 2011, at 18:04, Christopher Smith wrote: here is some discussion as to whether you should notate octave-transposing sounds in the played octave or the sounding octave, but as long as you are clear as to which is needed and stay consistent, it should work out either way. Just a small opinion, held lightly: Synth sounds often include multiple octaves so notating in the played octave may be more sensible. The other thing I could add is that it is fine to use just a single stave if that is all that is needed rather than being stuck in piano thinking. Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
in jazz maybe... not a widespread practice in new music (but it is encountered from time to time, is generally frowned upon by pianists) and certainly unacceptable in classical music It's of course fine to use a singe staff for piano parts as well, or to switch between single staff and grand staff on a system-by-system basis as needed. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
Hi Jef, In NYC new music circles it *is* in fact widespread practice, and I have in fact been chastised by ensembles for NOT removing unused piano staves. I wouldn't do it for orchestral piano parts, but in chamber music situations it's the new norm. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Apr 2011, at 6:35 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: in jazz maybe... not a widespread practice in new music (but it is encountered from time to time, is generally frowned upon by pianists) and certainly unacceptable in classical music It's of course fine to use a singe staff for piano parts as well, or to switch between single staff and grand staff on a system-by-system basis as needed. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
On 4 Apr 2011, at 21:11, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's of course fine to use a singe staff for piano parts as well Of course... but it is surprising how many piano (and synth) parts I play that have pages and pages with one stave of two empty! Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
goddamn radikals... In NYC new music circles it *is* in fact widespread practice, and I have in fact been chastised by ensembles for NOT removing unused piano staves. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
I don't think it's at all unacceptable. I've played classical repertoire employing this. Steve P. On 4 Apr 2011, at 23:35, SN jef chippewa wrote: certainly unacceptable in classical music ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] notation for synthesizer
Hi Steve, Yeah, there is basically no good reason not to remove empty staves on piano parts, other than mindless fidelity to tradition. And believe me, I understand that in certain contexts, mindless fidelity to tradition is exactly what's required! (As I said in my previous email, I would always make the piano parts in orchestral music grand staves, because orchestral pianists are *exactly* the kind of musicians to raise a snit about any deviation from the norm.) But the tide is definitely turning on this one. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 4 Apr 2011, at 6:12 PM, Steve Parker wrote: On 4 Apr 2011, at 21:11, Darcy James Argue wrote: It's of course fine to use a singe staff for piano parts as well Of course... but it is surprising how many piano (and synth) parts I play that have pages and pages with one stave of two empty! Steve P. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
