Re: [Fink-devel] pyqt-py* for Intel, from Re: Package Request - Treeline

[Jim White]

Alexander K. Hansen wrote:

> Jonah Naylor wrote:
> 
>>oh no really, so i still won't be able to use this... i'm so
>>dissapointed after trying so hard for so long to get someone to get this
>>to mac. is there any way i can request pyqt-py24 or anyone that can
>>build it, or anything else to do?
>>
>>thanks
>>
>>  
> 
> The version of pyqt that we have doesn't work on Intel boxes because it 
> apparently couldn't be made to build with gcc4.  If a newer version will 
> build using gcc4, then we can add that--since the package isn't 
> maintained this won't be done automatically.
> 
> I'll cc fink-devel, in case somebody happens to have been playing around 
> with pyqt for any reason.
> 

Don't be discouraged Jonah.  There are more recent PyQt versions (3.17 
and 4.2) upstream and they support builds for Mac, so the fink package 
may get updated before too long (although I'm not in position to do it 
myself).

http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/pyqt/download.php

Jim


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Re: [Fink-devel] Wine package

[Jim White]

Trevor Harmon wrote:

> ...
> So, I created a "first draft" of a Wine package and posted it here:
> 
> http://vocaro.com/trevor/files/wine.info

Excellent!  I've been planning to try building Wine myself
 and was thinking that Fink would be the best
way to go.  I will probably start with CodeWeavers version
 and let you know how it
goes.

Jim


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Re: [Fink-devel] fink gcc?

[Jim White]

Martin Costabel wrote:
David R. Morrison wrote:
[]
(3) The problems with octave, singular-libfac and others that cannot 
be built with Apple's latest g++-3.3 are too fresh in the discussion 
to have to be recalled, but they are real and urgent problems that 
have to be solved. Telling people "Don't install Xcode-1.5 if you 
haven't yet done so" can only be a very temporary measure. We have to 
provide some working solution.
I am still hopeful that Apple will solve this soon, but if we can find 
our own solution in the meantime, that would be great.

Making some noise helped, it seems:
http://lists.apple.com/mhonarc/darwin-development/msg21415.html
At least they take it seriously and are working on it.
If you would like an ADC Technical Support Incident to use for this, 
I've got a couple to spare the expire on August 31st.  I suspect that is 
overkill at this point, it can't hurt if you want to try and get more 
information from them.

Also note that the August 2003 gcc Updater has been restored to ADC 
downloads.

Jim White
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Re: [Fink-devel] fatback in fink

[Jim White]

David R. Morrison wrote:
Remi,
The case as you state it seems clear to me.  I'm removing the package.
(As you have undoubtedly discovered yourself, the maintainer's email
does not function.)
While it is correct to remove the package (DMCA and PATRIOT acts being
what they are), I think that the meaning of all this is that the
restriction stated in the fatback manual is a violation of GPL.
Jim


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[Fink-devel] Your Windows XP Logo Only Policy

[Jim White]

Mr. Dietrich.

I have just received word of your new policy of only carrying Personal 
Computer products which carry Microsoft Corporation's "Designed for Windows 
XP" logo.  Thought I would let you know that as a consequence I will no 
longer patronize your stores, which is a shame since I have always 
preferred Office Depot over Staples.

Even though I purchase few computer specific items at Office Depot, I will 
not support companies which engage in (anti-)competitive warfare against 
the platforms which I and my clients use (Apple Mac OS X and Red Hat Linux).

I will also inform my clients and friends of your policy and recommend that 
they also avoid shopping at Office Depot.

I'm no lawyer of course, but for the sake of your stockholders, I do hope 
you'll be able to make a strong case for your position with US and EU 
antitrust enforcement agencies.

Sincerely,

Jim White
Laguna Hills, CA
Ref: http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8472


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[Fink-devel] Apple Design Awards (was O'Reilly Mac OS X Innovators Contest)

[Jim White]

Alexander Strange wrote:
 > http://www.macdevcenter.com/mac/developer/
 >
 > Unfortunately, this seems more targeted towards projects with one main
 > author. I suppose FinkCommander or some other related applications (are
 > there any?) could always try to enter.
Well, also just announced is Apple's Design Awards:

http://developer.apple.com/designawards/

It has a "Best Mac OS X Use of Open Source" category.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Xemacs on Fink (?)

[Jim White]

Rick Taube wrote:

Hello, I installed the latest Fink yesterday, the Apple X11 Server, the developer toolkit and the free86 package.  I want to insall Xemacs, which is listed on the Fink site in the package list under Editors. However, now that I have everything set up andready to go,! when I do 'fink list'  the package doesnt show up!!  Can someone tell me please what I need to do to get Xemacs installed via fink? I also tried to use the cvs method thinking maybe I coudld download the sources that way, but 'fink selfudpate-cvs' always breaks when it tries to make an anonymous cvs connection to sourceforge (the error is "connect to sourceforge failed: connection refused")
any help would be greatly appreciatd, i looked through the faq but cant find anything.


Your question is FAQ 3.8:

http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#bindist

Notice the version information on the xemacs package:

http://fink.sourceforge.net/pdb/package.php/xemacs

Then read the section on using unstable packages (FAQ 3.9).

Jim



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Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least

[Jim White]

Justin Hallett wrote:

I personally don't like it, ppl won't remember it, and if that is the
case there is no point to move from fink.sf.net, but that is my
opinion.


I pretty much agree.  That's why I was asking what the purpose of the 
domain is (although there is a certain aesthetic to mac.fink.org or 
get.fink.org, but then macfink.org is available too).

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[Fink-devel] How about web.fink.org?

[Jim White]

I got in touch with my friend Andeas Fink, long time owner of the 
fink.org domain.  He is an even longer time Mac user and is willing to 
provide DNS for a host in the fink.org domain with we like (except www 
of course!).

Some suggestions:

web.fink.org
home.fink.org
project.fink.org
sw.fink.org

I like sw.fink.org because it is the shortest and has a certain 
resonance because Fink installs software in /sw by default.

But perhaps web.fink.org is the most sensible.

Jim



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Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least

[Jim White]

David R. Morrison wrote:

On Jan 10,2003 12:19:30 -0600, Kris Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

http://www.fink.org/ seems to be the property of a Mr. A. Fink.

Kris


It's kind of cool, actually... He has done Mac OS 9 development, and he has a
link to our project at the bottom of his page.



Yeah Andreas is a very cool guy.  We're long time friends since the days 
when I was a devloper at Spider Island Software and he was an uber sysop 
running a commerical TeleFinder BBS (developed for Mac and the first 
graphical BBS s/w, when Steve Case needed to describe AOL without a 
demo, he'ld say "Have you seen TeleFinder? It's like that.") which 
morphed into an ISP.

As cool as he is, I don't think he'ld give over the www.fink.org host, 
but I'll ask him if he'ld provide DNS for project.fink.org (or 
sw.fink.org or whatever).

Jim



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Re: [Fink-devel] domain, need reply from key team at very least

[Jim White]

Justin Hallett wrote:

I suggested hq because I found xinehq.de and mplayerhq.de, so I thought it
was a de thing :)


And there's winehq.com + winehq.org too.

I think finkhq.* is not a bad choice and doesn't suffer the problem of 
compound word names where when you say it you also have to clarify what 
if any punctuation is used (finkproject.* vs fink-project.com).

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[Fink-devel] Documentation quibble on Apple X11 instructions

[Jim White]

Hi Gang.

Is the Apple X11 server beta cool or what!?  And Safari is nifty too, I 
just wish it had been the Gecko engine that they supercharged...

I just did a clean 10.2.3 install to load up all the new stuff (I have 
been running 10.1 almost exclusively with a dual boot to just check out 
10.2).

But here's my small documentation issue:

When I followed the Apple X11 instructions, it says to do 'fink 
selfupdate-cvs'.  But since I had not yet installed the Developer Tools, 
there was no cvs installed.

So I think the docs should have some comment pointing out that you need 
the Developer Tools installed (or at least cvs).

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Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

[Jim White]

David wrote:

Please review them carefully and add your comments/answers.
...
How useful is Fink to you?
(presents a scale from 1 to 8)
-> a bit # # # # # # # # a lot


I think it would be informative to ask how often fink and (more 
importantly) fink-installed packages are used.

How often do you use Fink?
 More than once a day
 Once a day
 More than once a week
 Once a week
 More than once a month
 Once a month
 Infrequently

How often do you use packages installed by Fink?
 More than once a day
 ...

Jim




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Re: [Fink-devel] Problems with X11 and Motif libs

[Jim White]

Karim-Pierre Maalej wrote:
> Le mercredi 3 juillet 2002, à 02:24 , David R. Morrison a écrit :
 macosx kpm (30): a.out
 Warning: XmManager ClassInitialize: XmeTraitSet failed
 Error: attempt to add non-widget child "DropSiteManager" to parent
 "a.out" which supports only widgets
>>> Has anybody got an idea about what's wrong?
>> You need to link your program with the linker flag "-force_flat_namespace"
>> whenever you are using the lesstif libraries.
> it works fine now, thanks a lot !

And in cases where that won't work (as when creating a dynamic library 
used by an application you don't control), there is an environment 
variable which will do the job:

  setenv DYLD_FORCE_FLAT_NAMESPACE

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Re: [Fink-devel] cleaner Fink environment?

[Jim White]

Max Horn wrote:
 > Yes yes, I do fully agree it would be a nice thing to have (and it was
 > discussed a bit in the past).
 >
 > I am now more wondering, how would it be done exactly.

I checked out the make manual and it has a --warn-undefined-variables 
switch.  I tried that out on openjade and it reported:

Makefile:76: warning: undefined variable `XLIBDIRS'
Makefile:33: warning: undefined variable `libdir'
Makefile:76: warning: undefined variable `XLIBDIRS'
./../Makefile.comm:40: warning: undefined variable `DEBUG'

When building properly (naturally it doesn't help until *after* I know 
what the problem is :-/).

It would be nice if there were a way for it to report exactly which 
environment variables it is dependent on, but at least this can be used 
by package maintainers to verify that they are not depending on unset 
variables in their environment.

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Re: [Fink-devel] cleaner Fink environment?

[Jim White]

David R. Morrison wrote:
 >>From time to time, we've debugged problems from users which involved the
 > user having an unexpected environment variable or alias set at 
compile time,
 > which caused the configure script or makefiles to alter their behavior.
 >...

I just spent a fair chunk of time to figure out the reason openjade was 
failing for me because I had DEBUG set in my environment (it was in my 
.cshrc because of working on OpenOffice).  That sort of thing is really 
annoying.  I know it would be hard to make sure the scripts don't have 
any such dependencies, but reliable source distribution pretty much 
depends on it.

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[Fink-devel] Comment on FAQ 3.8

[Jim White]

Unless I missed something, it's pretty hard to offer feedback on the web 
site (joining this list was the only thing I could figure out - which 
isn't all bad since I do plan to port some packages to fink).

Anyhow, I just wanted to suggest one small addition:

In FAQ 3.8 (accessing unstable packages), after recommending copying the 
.info/.patch files to /sw/fink/dists/local, it should also say that 
"fink index" needs to be done in order to see the package.

So it might read something like this:

If you only want one or two specific packages, it is safer to copy those 
.info files (and their associated .patch files, if there are any) from 
/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo to 
/sw/fink/dists/local/main/finkinfo, then run "fink index". If you want 
Fink to use all of unstable, edit /sw/etc/fink.conf and add 
unstable/main to the Trees: line.

jim


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