[Fink-devel] GNOME2 is coming - test needed.

2003-01-30 Thread Masanori Sekino
Hi fink developers,

I think GNOME2 packages are almost ready for release. Upgrading from 
GNOME1
to GNOME2 is an irreversible process, so I'm planning that request 
developers
test them first, then if no critical problem found, put them into 
unstable
tree (hopefully in next week).

What kind of problem I think *critical* is,

 1. Cannot install bundle-gnome-2.x at all.
 2. Core applications like gnome-session and gnome-panel does not work.
Especially for gnome-session, it contains configuration conversion
programs from debian and not tested well.

If you interested in testing, please follow instructions below:

 1. Backup your GNOME configurations (~/.gnome* ~/.gconf*)
 2. Add packages in experimental/msek/gnome2 in Fink's CVS
 3. Install GNOME2 packages (installing bundle-gnome is convenient)
 4. If you'd like to test configuration conversion, remove ~/.gnome2*.
 5. Launch gnome-session. First time you launch gnome-session,
you will be asked whether to convert GNOME1's configuration to
GNOME2's.

Any suggestions are welcomed.

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Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-17 Thread Masanori Sekino
Sorry for long long absence. I'm still alive. Both of my work and 
privacy was extra busy for last month. It is not busier than last month 
now and I'll maintain my packages this weekend.

For GNOME2, if new docbook-dtd with calling update-xml-catalog is out, 
I can release GNOME2 packages.

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Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-17 Thread Max Horn
At 21:21 Uhr +0900 17.01.2003, Masanori Sekino wrote:

Sorry for long long absence. I'm still alive. Both of my work and 
privacy was extra busy for last month. It is not busier than last 
month now and I'll maintain my packages this weekend.

Phew! It is very very good to hear you are well, Masanori, you got us 
a bit worried there :-) I don't mind so much about gnome2 packages, 
to be honest, more about the health of my fellows.


For GNOME2, if new docbook-dtd with calling update-xml-catalog is 
out, I can release GNOME2 packages.

I'll look into it ASAP.



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[Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Ben Hines
msek has vanished, anyone want to take the partial gnome2 packages in 
his experimental directory? We continue to get requests for them. 
People are even bashing fink because it doesn't have gnome 2. I agree, 
it is kinda silly.

For that matter, anyone want to take over all of msek's packages?

Do we have a policy on maintainer non-response? We should establish 
one, i think.

-Ben



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Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Max Horn
At 19:13 Uhr -0800 16.01.2003, Ben Hines wrote:

msek has vanished, anyone want to take the partial gnome2 packages 
in his experimental directory? We continue to get requests for them. 
People are even bashing fink because it doesn't have gnome 2. I 
agree, it is kinda silly.

For that matter, anyone want to take over all of msek's packages?

Ho ho ho, wait a moment, not so fast. msek has vanished for one 
month (to be precise, his last CVS commit was on Dec 12th), ok, but 
then I was absent for almost a month, too. Maybe he's just sick or on 
a longer vacation or whatever.

So, before we do such a drastic step as taking away all his packages 
(msek is one of our main package maintainers after all), I think we 
should first undertake everything in our power to contact him. That 
includes emailing him on alter email address (his main email mailbox 
seems to be full?), trying to find people who know him directly and 
email them (like relatives), and maybe trying to get hold of a phone 
number and calling him. And even then, let's wait at least another 
week.

That said, if we encounter serious bugs or problems in one of his 
packages, we can just fix them now - but gnome2 is hardly *that* 
important that it can't wait  yet another week.


Do we have a policy on maintainer non-response? We should establish 
one, i think.

Indeed. Including a time limit before we start taking action. Next 
step should be specifiying what all will be done to try and reach the 
mainainer (like, if email fails, trying to get a phone number if need 
be, and call him).



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Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Kow K

On Thursday, January 16, 2003, at 07:53 PM, Ben Hines wrote:


Ho ho ho, wait a moment, not so fast. msek has vanished for one 
month (to be precise, his last CVS commit was on Dec 12th), ok, but 
then I was absent for almost a month, too. Maybe he's just sick or on 
a longer vacation or whatever.


You are right, i just got mad when someone came into the IRC channel 
and started to moan about how behind fink was because we didnt have 
gnome2. And combined with msek who doesnt respond to emails at all, 
indeed,  why don't we have gnome2? Well, its cause our gnome 
packages have no maintainer.


On his diary 10/20/02 with title Fink and friends, Masanori Sekino 
wrote that he had updated Gnome 2.0.2 libraries. He noted he finally 
reduced the number of unread mails to a multiple of 100!!, adding an 
apology for being unable to respond very soon.

He seems to be EXTREMELY busy for whatever reason, I suspect.


Kow



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Re: [Fink-devel] gnome2

2003-01-16 Thread Jeremy Higgs
Well... as a precaution, it might be worthwhile compiling a database of 
alternate email addresses and phone numbers for the Fink developers 
(keeping it all private, of course), as long as they're OK with that.

That way, if a developer does 'vanish', other developers (Max, David 
Morrison, etc etc) will be able to contact the person after a certain 
time without fishing around google and the web, saving a lot of hassle 
and time.

It's only a suggestion, though.

On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 02:34 PM, Max Horn wrote:

Indeed. Including a time limit before we start taking action. Next 
step should be specifiying what all will be done to try and reach the 
mainainer (like, if email fails, trying to get a phone number if need 
be, and call him).



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