Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink
Am 11.09.2009 um 00:56 schrieb Jack Howarth: Hi Jack, all Jack, good luck for you, and I hope for both you and the MacPorts folks that you'll get along better with them. Cheers, Max Max, Nice back biting slap on the way out. You just can't help yourself can you? Jack ps Other than yourself, Benjamin Reed and Daniel Macks, I would love to hear from this mythical legion of fink developers who detest me. Nobody from us detests you, at least I for sure don't. We just never were able to get along, because certain things that were important to some (many?) of us (like, talking to people instead of just modifying their stuff, or asking whether to do something, then just do it without waiting for a reply or decision) just never showed up your radar as being an issue, and despite being repeatedly asked to not do them, you kept doing that. That I view it that way doesn't mean I detest you; it just means that I feel we don't get along in a team, and hence it's better to not work in one. Bye, Max -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink
2009/9/10 Jack Howarth howa...@bromo.med.uc.edu: Daniel and Benjamin, I've been pondering switching my efforts over to MacPorts for awhile now since it is obvious that the X11 Xquartz situation is going to be very problematic for fink in the absence of manpower to maintain a proper set of X11 packages in fink. It has also become clear I am wondering for some time already if cooperation between fink and macports could be improved. I eventually end up installing both because neither has all the packages I want. sections of the fink developers are more interested in the form of the development than the results of the Form and purpose should be balanced. development. Note on MacPorts a package becomes unmaintained if the developer doesn't respond too emails within three weeks. I suspect you will find the current model less tenable as time goes on without major some adjustments to cope with less active maintainers being a drag on the process. Good luck with your project in the future. Jack Thanks Michal -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:55:04AM +0200, Max Horn wrote: Am 11.09.2009 um 00:56 schrieb Jack Howarth: Hi Jack, all Jack, good luck for you, and I hope for both you and the MacPorts folks that you'll get along better with them. Cheers, Max Max, Nice back biting slap on the way out. You just can't help yourself can you? Jack ps Other than yourself, Benjamin Reed and Daniel Macks, I would love to hear from this mythical legion of fink developers who detest me. Nobody from us detests you, at least I for sure don't. We just never were able to get along, because certain things that were important to some (many?) of us (like, talking to people instead of just modifying their stuff, or asking whether to do something, then just do it without waiting for a reply or decision) just never showed up your radar as being an issue, and despite being repeatedly asked to not do them, you kept doing that. That I view it that way doesn't mean I detest you; it just means that I feel we don't get along in a team, and hence it's better to not work in one. Bye, Max Max, My main objection is the appearance of one of the least attractive features of the Debian development model. The abusive gang attack of a small subset of developers, invoking the authority of the group, on another when in actually they speak for no one but themselves. This often is accompanied by the rest of the developer community remaining silent because oh, well those guys are just like that. It is a very destructive force. Jack ps And yes it is often accompanied by statements about how the offender is unable to work as part of a team when only the subgroup is making that judgement for the whole group. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink
Jack Howarth wrote: Daniel and Benjamin, I've been pondering switching my efforts over to MacPorts for awhile now since it is obvious that the X11 Xquartz situation is going to be very problematic for fink in the absence of manpower to maintain a proper set of X11 packages in fink. I shall not comment on the personal animosity part of this discussion (I actually understand both sides, with slightly more sympathy for Jack's points). But as to X11 on Snow Leopard: Once the transition is really over (and this is far from done yet!), I think we can safely forget about xquartz and possible Fink X11 packages, at least until Apple starts doing crazy things again. I won't bet on how long this will take, but we should be safe at least for a couple of months. Xquartz had two purposes that for a while went hand in hand: First it was simply a bug fix release for Apple's rather botched X11 release on Leopard. Second, it was interesting for people who wanted the bleeding edge Xorg X11 on their Mac. As of the latest declarations about the role and structure of X11 on SL, the second role is the only one that will remain. On the other hand, for the large majority of people, it was the first role that was interesting. And the same thing holds for Fink users. On SL, most of the bugs of Leopard X11 are fixed, thanks to the xquartz project. So we should concentrate on a future with Apple's SL X11. Let Macports spend their energy on bleeding edge X11 packages. -- Martin -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink
Dear Jack, We are grateful for your many contributions to fink, and sorry to see you go. Best wishes for the future. Yours, Dave On Sep 10, 2009, at 2:14 PM, Jack Howarth wrote: Daniel and Benjamin, I've been pondering switching my efforts over to MacPorts for awhile now since it is obvious that the X11 Xquartz situation is going to be very problematic for fink in the absence of manpower to maintain a proper set of X11 packages in fink. It has also become clear sections of the fink developers are more interested in the form of the development than the results of the development. Note on MacPorts a package becomes unmaintained if the developer doesn't respond too emails within three weeks. I suspect you will find the current model less tenable as time goes on without major some adjustments to cope with less active maintainers being a drag on the process. Good luck with your project in the future. Jack -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink
Hi Jack, all Jack, good luck for you, and I hope for both you and the MacPorts folks that you'll get along better with them. Cheers, Max -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
Re: [Fink-devel] leaving fink
Hi Jack, all Jack, good luck for you, and I hope for both you and the MacPorts folks that you'll get along better with them. Cheers, Max Max, Nice back biting slap on the way out. You just can't help yourself can you? Jack ps Other than yourself, Benjamin Reed and Daniel Macks, I would love to hear from this mythical legion of fink developers who detest me. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Fink-devel mailing list Fink-devel@lists.sourceforge.net http://news.gmane.org/gmane.os.apple.fink.devel Subscription management: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-devel
