Re: [Fink-users] Re: Deciding which X is running...

[Michèle Garoche]

Le samedi, 11 jan 2003, à 08:26 Europe/Paris, Aaron Magill a écrit :


People have asked, though I can't recall who most recently, about 
having one .xinitrc file that runs the correct window manager, 
depending upon how X is started...

I added the following to the end of my .xinitrc file and it seems to 
work.  This relies on the defaults command given earlier to force 
XDarwin to use display :1, instead of the default of :0 (you can also 
edit ~/Library/Preferences/org.xfree86.XDarwin.plist with a text 
editor and change the Display parameter):

if [ X$DISPLAY = "X:0" ]; then
Yes, of course, I should have thought about it. Thanks, thanks, thanks.


#
# Assume Apple X11 and start up accordingly
#


insert here xmodmap= -e 'keycode 6 = Mode_switch' if you use a French 
keyboard

/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 80x20+0+0 &

maybe a nice scrollbar too: -sb

exec /usr/X11R6/bin/quartz-wm
else
#
# Assume XDarwin
#
/sw/bin/autocutsel &

I've been told autocutsel is not needed anymore

exec /sw/bin/gnome-session
fi

Obviously, choose the window manager you wish to use in both.  This 
seems to work for me, though I wonder why the display var is set to :0 
and :1 as opposed to :0.0 and :1.0, as they are once an x application 
is running...
Because if you want to run X11 and XDarwin at the same time you cannot 
use the same server, so one use display 0, the other display 1. By 
default, if no display is specified, display 0 is used. To run both app 
side by side you have to change the default for one application. For 
example for XDarwin with:

sudo defaults write org.xfree86.XDarwin Display 1

Then XDarwin uses display 1, and X11 the default display 0.

Michèle




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[Fink-users] Re: Deciding which X is running...

[Aaron Magill]

People have asked, though I can't recall who most recently, about 
having one .xinitrc file that runs the correct window manager, 
depending upon how X is started...

I added the following to the end of my .xinitrc file and it seems to 
work.  This relies on the defaults command given earlier to force 
XDarwin to use display :1, instead of the default of :0 (you can also 
edit ~/Library/Preferences/org.xfree86.XDarwin.plist with a text editor 
and change the Display parameter):

if [ X$DISPLAY = "X:0" ]; then
#
# Assume Apple X11 and start up accordingly
#
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 80x20+0+0 &
exec /usr/X11R6/bin/quartz-wm
else
#
# Assume XDarwin
#
/sw/bin/autocutsel &
exec /sw/bin/gnome-session
fi

Obviously, choose the window manager you wish to use in both.  This 
seems to work for me, though I wonder why the display var is set to :0 
and :1 as opposed to :0.0 and :1.0, as they are once an x application 
is running... perhaps someone more familiar with X can chime in with 
the answer...



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[Fink-users] Re: Fink-users digest, Vol 1 #1352 - 16 msgs

[Aaron Magill]

I have seen .xinitrc scripts which are supposed to do "cleanup" after a  
session ends... can't say if it works or not, because I never looked  
too closely to see; the basic approach is to end your .xinitrc with the  
following:

/usr/X11R6/bin/twm
rm whatever

(substitute your window manager of choice for twm -- this is just an  
example)

Notice that the window manager is *NOT* preceded by exec and that it is  
*NOT* followed by &.
What should happen is that the shell script which starts up your X apps  
stays running, waiting for the window manager to terminate.  Once it  
does, the next lines are executed in the script.

The downside that I can see is (1) the shell program (most likely  
/bin/sh) stays resident in memory -- not too big of a deal on modern  
machines with lots of memory, and (2) I don't know if the commands get  
executed if the window manager crashes (i.e. doesn't exit cleanly)...

Maybe someone more familiar with shells and scripting can answer the  
second one.


On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 02:04  PM,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Jonas Steverud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization: The Deciples of Albericht Nibelungen
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:18:45 +0100
Subject: [Fink-users] Re: X11 and multiple users

William Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


I think I have found out how to use X-windows with multiple users.

The X11 session creates a file and a directory with another file in
/tmp, i.e.,

[...]

If you delete these manually before logging out, then X11 can be
started with another user's account.

I am afraid I don't know how to tell Apple OS X to do delete these
automatically upon logging out (/etc/csh.logout was wrong).


Silly question: I assume you do not do a "exec bash" in your .cshrc
and you do not use any other shell then (t)csh as your login shell?
I.e. do you really modify the correct logout file? (I assume so, but
it is very easy to overlook the obvious.)

Benjamin Riefenstahl had the following to say in the "Help: ISPELL and
Aqua EMACS (OSX)" thread in gnu.emacs.help:

--8<
The environment for the loginwindow and thus the Finder can be
statically configured in ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist, see 
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/ 
BootingLogin/Customization_Techniques.html>
--8<

If you select "Show frames", and look at the "Customize the login and
logout" section, there is one solution. I really don't think this is
the Right Way, it is a bit of a kludge to solve your problem, but you
asked for "any advice"... ;-)

The only other way I can think of, from the top of my head, is to write
a wrapper script, which is used to start X11.app, and then waits for
it to terminate and then removes the files. How to sit and wait in a
good way, I do not know. Applescript?

--
( http://hem.bredband.net/steverud! Wei Wu Wei  
)
(Meaning of U2 Lyrics, Roleplaying!  To Do Without Do   
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[Fink-users] OpenMotif instead of lesstif

[M. Brooks Clark]

If I want to install openmotif instead of lesstif, how do I convince fink
packages that are dependent on lesstif should be ok with openmotif? For
example, when I try to rebuild nedit with openmotif installed, it insists on
installing lesstif and lesstif-shlibs.

Do I need to edit the individual .info files, or is there an easier way?


Thanks,

Brooks clark



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Re: [Fink-users] Conditional .xinitrc

[Michèle Garoche]

Le vendredi, 10 jan 2003, à 21:48 Europe/Paris, Nicholas Riley a écrit :


On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 06:54:47PM +0100, Michèle Garoche wrote:

Is there a way to have a unique .xinitrc for X11 and XDarwin, 
something
like this:

This is what I do - but it's very sensitive to quirks of X11.

#!/bin/zsh

[...]

# Apple's X11.app uses bash despite the #! line
if [[ -n $BASH_VERSION ]]; then
# grab Fink stuff
. ~/.zprofile
rxvt &
exec quartz-wm
fi

I use tcsh, so I think (I may be completely wrong) that I cannot 
distinguish XDarwin and X11 that way.


Regardless of that, it seems that anything I execute from the launcher
menu does not use the environment set in ~/.xinitrc, which is very
annoying.  I have to launch everything from the rxvt I launch from
.xinitrc.

I got this behaviour launching X11 by double-clicking its icon, so I 
entered into the menu the full path for each app.
/sw/bin/texmacs for example in place of texmacs
and it worked fine. I'll guess X11 does not take the environment into 
account.

But if you launch X11 via Terminal with:

/Applications/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11 --xquartz-be-xinit -keymap 
/System/Library/Keyboards/Francais.keymapping
(or no -keymap if you use an US keyboard)
the shell is fair enough to take the environment into account.
And you can enter command in the menu without specifying the full path.

Michèle




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[Fink-users] karm, korganizer from KDE 3.1-1 crash X server on launch

[Mark Stosberg]

Hello,

I was excited to see that the kdepim package has finally become
available through Fink. I look forward to switching to using KOrganizer,
KAddressbook and KArm in place of closed-sourse alternatives.

I went about compiling these packages from source with fink. That
process went smoothly... and took 2 and half days on a 300 Mhz G3.

I tried launching them first with Apple's X11 server. They all launch
OK, but as soon I was would select the "File" menu, the entire X Server
crashes. I was able to create a task and sub-task in karm, but touching
the file menu was deadly.

Since the X Server and not the application was crashing, I decided to
try a different X server, namely XDarwin. I followed the instructions
for replacing my X Server, and got XDarwin working fine again.

However, I experience the same issue with XDarwin-- soon after the apps
launch, the whole server crashes.

Here's my .xinitrc file:

###
source /sw/bin/init.sh
twm &
exec xterm


The crash creates a log file: " 
/Users/mark/Library/Logs/CrashReporter/XDarwin.crash.log"

I could post the whole thing if it would be useful. This seems to be the
core offense:

###
Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:  KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x2220a714
###

This might also be interesting:


Thread 2 Crashed:
 #0   0x000ad96c in fbFetch_x8r8g8b8
 #1   0x000ab034 in fbCombineOverU
 #2   0x000aec04 in fbCompositeGeneral
 #3   0x00044694 in fbComposite
 #4   0x000ba17c in miSpriteComposite
 #5   0x000b509c in RootlessComposite
 #6   0x0007caa4 in ProcRenderComposite
 #7   0x00028b18 in Dispatch
 #8   0x851c in main
 #9   0x7550 in -[Xserver run]
 #10  0x9081cd38 in forkThreadForFunction
 #11  0x90020d48 in _pthread_body


Any ideas on how I can get these applications working? Thanks!

  Mark


http://mark.stosberg.com/


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Re: [Fink-users] Conditional .xinitrc

[Nicholas Riley]

On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 06:54:47PM +0100, Michèle Garoche wrote:
> Is there a way to have a unique .xinitrc for X11 and XDarwin, something 
> like this:

This is what I do - but it's very sensitive to quirks of X11.

#!/bin/zsh

[...]

# Apple's X11.app uses bash despite the #! line
if [[ -n $BASH_VERSION ]]; then
# grab Fink stuff
. ~/.zprofile
rxvt &
exec quartz-wm
fi

Regardless of that, it seems that anything I execute from the launcher
menu does not use the environment set in ~/.xinitrc, which is very
annoying.  I have to launch everything from the rxvt I launch from
.xinitrc.

-- 
=Nicholas Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | 
Pablo Research Group, Department of Computer Science and
  Medical Scholars Program, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign


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Re: [Fink-users] can't get fink working with 10.2...

[Philip Trauring]

This worked, thanks. Once I did did this I ran 'fink index' and now I 
seem to have everything operating normally. I'm happily back in the 
Fink world...

Philip Trauring

At 2:26 PM -0500 1/10/03, Alexander Hansen wrote:
First check and see whether /sw/fink/dists exists and is a symbolic link
to /sw/fink/10.2 .  If so, then you can clean things up as follows
(courtesy of Ben H):

sudo find /sw/fink -name 'CVS' -type d -exec rm -rf {} \;
fink selfupdate-cvs

If that doesn't do the job, the fink clean uninstall instructions are in
the FAQ at:

http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#removing.





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Re: [Fink-users] exactly what needs to be rebuilt?

[Alexander Hansen]

It looks like those symbols come from libglut.3.7.dylib (on my system),
which is installed by the glut-shlibs package.  Try rebuilding
glut-shlibs

On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 13:23, lenny bruce wrote:
> On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 09:31  AM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
> > 1) You mean this is a runtime error, right?
> 
> it happens when I run xmms, so yes...
> 
> > 2) What changes did you make?
> 
> none
> 
> well, I switched my shell to bash from tcsh
> and I updated more rc files to identify my paths
> and source /sw/bin/init.sh (instead of sourcing /sw/bin/init.csh)
> 
> but these things could only help
> 
> > If you installed the Apple X11, did you also install the SDK package?
> 
> yes... X11SDKForMacOSX.dmg
> 
> 
> lenny bruceI am not a comedian,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]I am Lenny Bruce.
> 
> 
-- 
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Levitated Dipole Experiment
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Re: [Fink-users] can't get fink working with 10.2...

[Alexander Hansen]

First check and see whether /sw/fink/dists exists and is a symbolic link
to /sw/fink/10.2 .  If so, then you can clean things up as follows
(courtesy of Ben H):

sudo find /sw/fink -name 'CVS' -type d -exec rm -rf {} \;
fink selfupdate-cvs

If that doesn't do the job, the fink clean uninstall instructions are in
the FAQ at:

http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#removing.

On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 12:43, Philip Trauring wrote:
> I have never been able to get Fink working properly with 10.2. When I 
> try to update packages, it updates the 10.2 tree, but when it gets to 
> 10.2, it fails. I'm not clear on why it's still updating 10.1 
> anyways. I'm fairly certain I followed the upgrade instructions to 
> the letter. Here's what it looks like:
> 
> ...
> >cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11
> >cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-system
> >cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm
> >cvs server: Updating 10.2
> >cvs update: in directory 10.2/stable:
> >cvs update: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
> >cvs server: Updating 10.2/stable
> >cvs update: cannot write 10.2/stable/.cvsignore: Permission denied
> >cvs update: in directory 10.2/stable/crypto:
> >cvs update: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
> >cvs server: Updating 10.2/stable/crypto
> >cvs update: cannot write 10.2/stable/crypto/.cvsignore: Permission denied
> >cvs [update aborted]: cannot make directory 
> >10.2/stable/crypto/finkinfo: No such file or directory
> >### execution of su failed, exit code 1
> >Failed: Updating using CVS failed. Check the error messages above.
> 
> If someone has a quick fix, that would be great. If not, can someone 
> direct me to instructions for removing Fink so I can do a clean 
> install?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Philip Trauring
> 
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Re: [Fink-users] can't get fink working with 10.2...

[Martin Costabel]

Philip Trauring wrote:
[]

cvs update: in directory 10.2/stable:
cvs update: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory

[]


If someone has a quick fix, that would be great. 

Have you seen http://fink.sourceforge.net/faq/usage-fink.php#cvs-busy ?
The second hint on that page might be what you want to do.

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Re: [Fink-users] can't get fink working with 10.2...

[David R. Morrison]

On Jan 10,2003 12:43:16 -0500, Philip Trauring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>I have never been able to get Fink working properly with 10.2. When I 
>try to update packages, it updates the 10.2 tree, but when it gets to 
>10.2, it fails. I'm not clear on why it's still updating 10.1 
>anyways. I'm fairly certain I followed the upgrade instructions to 
>the letter. Here's what it looks like:
>
>...
>>cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11
>>cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-system
>>cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm
>>cvs server: Updating 10.2
>>cvs update: in directory 10.2/stable:
>>cvs update: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
>>cvs server: Updating 10.2/stable
>>cvs update: cannot write 10.2/stable/.cvsignore: Permission denied
>>cvs update: in directory 10.2/stable/crypto:
>>cvs update: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
>>cvs server: Updating 10.2/stable/crypto
>>cvs update: cannot write 10.2/stable/crypto/.cvsignore: Permission denied
>>cvs [update aborted]: cannot make directory 
>>10.2/stable/crypto/finkinfo: No such file or directory
>>### execution of su failed, exit code 1
>>Failed: Updating using CVS failed. Check the error messages above.
>
>If someone has a quick fix, that would be great. If not, can someone 
>direct me to instructions for removing Fink so I can do a clean 
>install?
>

Try this:

  sudo chmod -R a+rX /sw/fink/10.2

and then try updating again.

  -- Dave






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[Fink-users] Possible enhancement to fink configuration

[Timothy M. Ace]

I was thinking, after going through the tedious process of selecing my
desired mirrors, that it would sure be nice if fink's configuration would
automatically ping each of the mirrors and determine the one with the lowest
ping for me.  Some of the mirror lists are really long - typing ping
 several hundred times gives me hand craps :-P  Anyways, It was just
a thought.

-Timothy M. Ace


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Re: [Fink-users] exactly what needs to be rebuilt?

[lenny bruce]

On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 09:31  AM, Alexander Hansen wrote:

1) You mean this is a runtime error, right?


it happens when I run xmms, so yes...


2) What changes did you make?


none

well, I switched my shell to bash from tcsh
and I updated more rc files to identify my paths
and source /sw/bin/init.sh (instead of sourcing /sw/bin/init.csh)

but these things could only help


If you installed the Apple X11, did you also install the SDK package?


yes... X11SDKForMacOSX.dmg


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[Fink-users] Re: X11 and multiple users

[Jonas Steverud]

William Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I think I have found out how to use X-windows with multiple users.
>
> The X11 session creates a file and a directory with another file in
> /tmp, i.e.,
[...]
> If you delete these manually before logging out, then X11 can be
> started with another user's account.
>
> I am afraid I don't know how to tell Apple OS X to do delete these
> automatically upon logging out (/etc/csh.logout was wrong).

Silly question: I assume you do not do a "exec bash" in your .cshrc
and you do not use any other shell then (t)csh as your login shell?
I.e. do you really modify the correct logout file? (I assume so, but
it is very easy to overlook the obvious.)

Benjamin Riefenstahl had the following to say in the "Help: ISPELL and
Aqua EMACS (OSX)" thread in gnu.emacs.help:

--8<
The environment for the loginwindow and thus the Finder can be
statically configured in ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist, see http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/SystemOverview/BootingLogin/Customization_Techniques.html>
--8<

If you select "Show frames", and look at the "Customize the login and
logout" section, there is one solution. I really don't think this is
the Right Way, it is a bit of a kludge to solve your problem, but you
asked for "any advice"... ;-)

The only other way I can think of, from the top of my head, is to write
a wrapper script, which is used to start X11.app, and then waits for
it to terminate and then removes the files. How to sit and wait in a
good way, I do not know. Applescript?

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[Fink-users] Conditional .xinitrc

[Michèle Garoche]

Is there a way to have a unique .xinitrc for X11 and XDarwin, something 
like this:

if read by X11
xmodmap -e 'keycode 66 = Mode_switch'
fi

exec xterm -geometry 80x20+34+0 -ls -sb -rightbar -si -sl 1 -j &

if read by XDarwin
exec wmaker
fi

if read by X11
exec quartz-wm
fi

Michèle



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[Fink-users] can't get fink working with 10.2...

[Philip Trauring]

I have never been able to get Fink working properly with 10.2. When I 
try to update packages, it updates the 10.2 tree, but when it gets to 
10.2, it fails. I'm not clear on why it's still updating 10.1 
anyways. I'm fairly certain I followed the upgrade instructions to 
the letter. Here's what it looks like:

...
cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11
cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-system
cvs server: Updating 10.1/unstable/main/finkinfo/x11-wm
cvs server: Updating 10.2
cvs update: in directory 10.2/stable:
cvs update: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating 10.2/stable
cvs update: cannot write 10.2/stable/.cvsignore: Permission denied
cvs update: in directory 10.2/stable/crypto:
cvs update: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or directory
cvs server: Updating 10.2/stable/crypto
cvs update: cannot write 10.2/stable/crypto/.cvsignore: Permission denied
cvs [update aborted]: cannot make directory 
10.2/stable/crypto/finkinfo: No such file or directory
### execution of su failed, exit code 1
Failed: Updating using CVS failed. Check the error messages above.

If someone has a quick fix, that would be great. If not, can someone 
direct me to instructions for removing Fink so I can do a clean 
install?

Thanks,

Philip Trauring


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Re: [Fink-users] exactly what needs to be rebuilt?

[Alexander Hansen]

1) You mean this is a runtime error, right?

2) What changes did you make?  If you installed the Apple X11, did you
also install the SDK package?


On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 12:24, lenny bruce wrote:
> My console log complains:
> 
> > dlcompat: dyld: xmms Undefined symbols:
> >
> > _glBegin
> > _glClear
> > _glClearColor
> > _glColor3f
> > _glDepthFunc
> > _glEnable
> > _glEnd
> > _glFrustum
> > _glLoadIdentity
> > _glMatrixMode
> > _glPopMatrix
> > _glPushMatrix
> > _glRotatef
> > _glTranslatef
> > _glVertex3f
> > _glViewport
> 
> I assume that means xmms needs a rebuild in this new environment
> but what else needs to be rebuilt and how do we determine this?
> 
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[Fink-users] exactly what needs to be rebuilt?

[lenny bruce]

My console log complains:


dlcompat: dyld: xmms Undefined symbols:

_glBegin
_glClear
_glClearColor
_glColor3f
_glDepthFunc
_glEnable
_glEnd
_glFrustum
_glLoadIdentity
_glMatrixMode
_glPopMatrix
_glPushMatrix
_glRotatef
_glTranslatef
_glVertex3f
_glViewport


I assume that means xmms needs a rebuild in this new environment
but what else needs to be rebuilt and how do we determine this?


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[Fink-users] apple's X11 and Ximian Evolution

[Steve Wright]

I installed Apple's X11 without a hitch and everything runs fine that 
was previously installed.  I then tried to install Ximian's evolution 
because it seems that we may be one step closer to integrating 
Evolution into OSX Mac.  I have installed it before and it worked fine, 
but it failed with Apple's X11.  Error below...

ld: /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.a bad magic number (not a Mach-O file)
ld: /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.a bad magic number (not a Mach-O file)
ld: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.a bad magic number (not a Mach-O file)
make[3]: *** [test-ename-western] Error 1
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
### execution of make failed, exit code 2
Failed: compiling evolution-1.0.7-2 failed

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[Fink-users] Rép : [Fink-users] Bluefish, Apple X11, and xfree86-threaded?

[Michèle Garoche]

Le jeudi, 9 jan 2003, à 21:54 Europe/Paris, Douglas Theobald a écrit :


 Let us know how X11 does with threaded apps,
since this is really a pretty ghetto hack.

Tell me what you want I try as threaded apps. I use essentially 
Bluefish, but if you want me to try another, just tell me so. I wait 
for your replying me.

Michèle



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[Fink-users] Re: [Fink-users] Rép : [Fink-users] Bluefish, Apple X11, and xfree86-threaded?

[Michèle Garoche]

Le vendredi, 10 jan 2003, à 06:43 Europe/Paris, Peter O'Gorman a écrit :


From the unix-porting list:

For those who have a different keyboard, just lauch X11 from a 
terminal with:
/Applications/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11 --xquartz-be-xinit -keymap 
/System/Library/Keyboards/Francais.keymapping
Many thanks, Peter, by the way is there a place where I can find the 
options to xquartz, or more exactly what does the -be option do?

Michèle




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[Fink-users] X11 for Mac OS X Frequently Asked Questions (fwd)

[Chris Devers]

I just saw this on Apple's x11 list, and for those of you that aren't on
both this list & that one, it seemed worthwhile to forward here:

-- 
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daemon, n. \pronounced day-mon\
One of many puckish processes raising merrie hell in the bowels of UNIX.

The OE spelling, by tradition, distinguishes the relatively benign
daemon from the downright evil demon. The spooler daemon, for example,
delights in sending your high priority reports to a paper-low printer,
whereas the spooler demon prefers to direct all your print requests to
a non-existent DIABLO at a remote site. PC UNIX considers both daemon
and demon to be offensive to many religious groups and mandates the use
of SPIRIT GUIDE or CHANNELER.

-- from _The Computer Contradictionary_, Stan Kelly-Bootle, 1995


- Forwarded Message -
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:34:07 -0800
From: Haroon Sheikh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: X11 for Mac OS X Frequently Asked Questions

F.A.Q. for X11 for Mac OS X Public Beta  v0.1

Q: What is X11 for Mac OS X?
A: Go to http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11 for more info.

Q: How do I file bug reports and request features?
A: Bug reports and feature requests related to X11 for Mac OS X (or
anything else) can and should be filed at
. There is a web interface and
and e-mail one for those who are web-form adverse.  We suggest writing
bugs (and feature requests) there so things do not get lost in the
shuffle (you can be sure that the bug report will get the the team and
someone definitely will look at it). Include as much info as possible
(detailed steps) and a good system config (an Apple System Profiler
report) is always useful.

Q: Is there a mailing list?
A: Yes, you can subscribe to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
from the following url: http://www.lists.apple.com/x11-users. This
list's main purpose is for discussions among the X community. Apple
will monitor the list and help answer questions but doesn't guarantee
that every bug report or feedback sent to the mailing list will be
processed. Use the bugreporter (see above) instead to make sure your
input is processed.

Q: Can you archive the x11-users mailing list?
A: The archives should now be working.

Q: Where are things installed?
A: In /Applications/X11.app and /usr/X11R6. If you have an existing
/etc/X11 it is backed-up during installation and a new one is
installed. A pre-existing ~/.xinitrc is not touched.

Q: Can I run another window manager instead of quartz-wm?
A: Yes, by all means.

Q: Which version of XFree86 does X11 for Mac OS X correspond to?
A: XFree86 4.2.1

Q: Will X11 for Mac OS X update to newer versions of XFree86?
A: Yes, we will continue to work with the XFree86 community to
synchronize changes.

Q: Does X11 work with a previous installed version of XDarwin?
A: We recommend you backup and move aside your previous installation of
X and then install X11 for Mac OS X. A few people have been able to get
X11 for Mac OS X, XDarwin and OroborosX to all co-exist.

Q: Will source for X11 for Mac OS X be released?
A: Yes, the source code for the X11 server will be made available soon
on the Darwin web pages. It will only contain the source for the X11
server, but not the quartz-wm window manager.

Q: Does X11.app process my .xinitrc?
A: Yes, if one exists, it will be used. If not, then it will launch
/usr/X11/bin/quartz-wm and an xterm. You can customize launch your
favorite window manager, customize your launched xterm or launch other
applications from a .xinitrc.

Q: I don't see /Applications/X11.app after installing.
A: Make sure you install the X11UserForMacOSX.mkpg (about 40 megs) from
http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/download/ and not just the
X11SDKForMacOSX.pkg file.

Q: I do not see an xterm startup when launching X11.app.
A: Try backing up your existing .xinitrc if you have one and moving it
aside.

Q: How do I copy and paste using X11 for Mac OS X?
A: X11 for Mac OS X allows cut and past between X11 and native
applications using PRIMARY and PASTEBOARD selections. You can cut text
from X by selecting text and paste in native Mac OS X applications
using CMD-v. CMD-v doesn't work in X apps (this is by design). You
should use the middle mouse button instead for pasting (See X11
Preferences for emulating a middle mouse button). The cmd-v menu option
will be active when non-X windows are active, e.g. when entering text
in the "Customize Applications" menu item. We will be looking at this
issue further to see if it can be improved.
For xchat : If someone posts a url to a channel, i have to drag-select
it, then middle-click it to the text entry buffer, then select it
again, and hit ctrl-x to cut it. then i can cmd-v in a native app. any
other possible variation of this process doesn't work.

Q: I'm having problem with my international keyboard and with key
mappings?
A: X11 for Mac OS X Public Beta was an English only release. We are
looking at this issue. 

Re: [Fink-users] Incompatible libraries for compile vs run?

[Alexander Hansen]

Try removing libpng (and -shlibs?), make sure you have libpng3 (and
-shlibs) installed, then rebuild kdegraphics3.  

On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 21:22, Wolfgang Rumpf wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> I installed the Apple X11 and now my KPOVMODELER gives me this error 
> (numerous times) when I invoke it - and the menubars/icons don't show 
> up, making it somewhat difficult to pick tools :)
> 
> libpng warning: Application was compiled with png.h from libpng-1.2.5
> libpng warning: Application  is  running with png.c from libpng-1.0.12
> libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library
> 
> 
> What do I need to do to get this to work again?
> 
> - -
> R. Wolfgang Rumpf, Ph.D.
> Bioinformaticist & Director of Product Development
> Rescentris, Ltd.
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Re: [Fink-users] Problems compiling: can't install packagelibpoll-1.2-2

[Alexander Hansen]

It's not that bad.  Try rebuilding libpoll, so that libpoll and
libpoll-shlibs are at the samve version.

On Thu, 2003-01-09 at 20:56, Lukas Muehlethaler wrote:
> % fink install wget-ssl kde-i18n-hebrew
> 
> after download starts to compile just fine but after about 15 min. 
> fails with the following problem:
> 
> ...
> Selecting previously deselected package libpoll.
> (Reading database ... 39657 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking libpoll (from .../libpoll_1.2-2_darwin-powerpc.deb) ...
> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libpoll:
>   libpoll depends on libpoll-shlibs (= 1.2-2); however:
>Version of libpoll-shlibs on system is 1.2-3.
> dpkg: error processing libpoll (--install):
>   dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>   libpoll
> ### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1
> Failed: can't install package libpoll-1.2-2
> 
> I just updated to OS 10.2.3; should I have stayed in 10.2.2?
> 
> Any way around the problem?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Lukas
> 
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Re: [Fink-users] QT and Threads, and JPEG-6B

[Benjamin Reed]

On Friday, January 10, 2003, at 07:17 AM, lenny bruce wrote:


checking for libjpeg6b... no
checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg
checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) 
(library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
### execution of /var/tmp/tmp.0.DfBZR4 failed, exit code 1
Failed: compiling kdeartwork3-3.1-1 failed

my KDE updates have been failing barring threads in QT

but, special for Alexander Hansen,
it also demonstrates an example of my builds never being able to find 
JPEG-6B

It almost seems as if, for some reason, your environment is not getting 
set up correctly or something, so it can't find headers and such (I 
couldn't say more without seeing the config.log from 
/sw/src/kdeartwork3-3.1-1/kdeartwork-3.1rc5/).  Have you made any 
changes to init.sh/init.csh by hand or something strange?



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[Fink-users] QT and Threads, and JPEG-6B

[lenny bruce]

checking for libjpeg6b... no
checking for libjpeg... -ljpeg
checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) 
(library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support!
### execution of /var/tmp/tmp.0.DfBZR4 failed, exit code 1
Failed: compiling kdeartwork3-3.1-1 failed

my KDE updates have been failing barring threads in QT

but, special for Alexander Hansen,
it also demonstrates an example of my builds never being able to find 
JPEG-6B


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Re: [Fink-users] Fink on local network

[Sylvain Cuaz]

Le vendredi, 10 jan 2003, à 03:40 Europe/Paris, Linc Davis a écrit :


I tried this both with AFP and NFS, and it doesn't work. The link 
/Volumes/Software/sw/fink/dists resolves to /sw/fink/10.2 in the local 
file system, not to the corresponding directory in the remote file 
system. It seems to be an inherent limitation of Mac OS X that a 
symlink on a network file system always resolves to a path in the 
local file system.

	not at all, it's a just a bug in fink :

[alias:/sw/fink] sylvain% ls -ld dists
lrwxrwxr-x1 sylvain  staff  13 Jan  5 08:45 dists -> 
/sw/fink/10.2/

	dists should link to 10.2 not /sw/fink/10.2. I think it's fixed in CVS.

Does anyone know of a workaround? For example, can you replace the 
symlink 'dists' on the build host with a hard link to 10.2, or just 
rename 10.2 to dists? Please reply to the list. Thanks.

	cd /sw/fink ; ln -sf  10.2 dists



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Re: [Fink-users] tetex & fink wedding

[Martin Costabel]

On vendredi, jan 10, 2003, at 11:59 Europe/Paris, Juan Falgueras wrote:


	I am using Wierda tetex port and it works in a near divine and 
absolute perfection, that is:  no problems at all (except, ehem, the 
ghostscript problems, with for example the ps2pdf bounding box 
conversion giving always a4 size images!), but I am also using Fink. 
How to install fink TeX tools not making a parallell TeX installation?

Install the system-tetex placeholder package.

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[Fink-users] tetex & fink wedding

[Juan Falgueras]

	I am using Wierda tetex port and it works in a near divine and 
absolute perfection, that is:  no problems at all (except, ehem, the 
ghostscript problems, with for example the ps2pdf bounding box 
conversion giving always a4 size images!), but I am also using Fink. 
How to install fink TeX tools not making a parallell TeX installation?

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Re: [Fink-users] Will Apple charge us for the X11 stable release?

[Brendan Lane Larson]

Justin Hallett,

I think you hit on a real key point. Disclaimer: I've been traveling 
and haven't looked at the Apple X11 Public Beta license, but if its not 
at least LGPL'ed, then why is everyone getting so excited about it? 
APSL is not GPL. I thought that the Fink community was and is for true 
open source as in GPL/LGPL?

Any further thoughts?

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 12:25  PM, Justin Hallett wrote:

I don't think they will be able to charge for it, maybe if they make an
extra lib that isn;t GPL/LGPL'd but if and I repeat if they make a
superior one I may concider paying for it, not for the crap they just 
put
out though, although i know it's a beta and has lots of good in it, so 
I'm
waitting for the next beta and will be trying it too.

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Re: [Fink-users] RSS Feeds

[Pedro Massobrio]

Adrian,

How do you use Evolution to read the RSS feeds?

Thanks,

Pedro

Re: [Fink-users] The Lord of the Keys (Italian version)

[Marcello Testi]

At 22:13 +0100 9-01-2003, Alexander Meier wrote:
>i'm aware of the fact, that in the apple x11 one can change the
>usa.keymapping to another one as some peple have posted doing so
>successfully... now where exactly should I do so?

You can do it by starting X11 from the command line (terminal). If you
didn't change the location of the installed app, you can write this in
terminal:
/Applications/X11.app/Contents/MacOS/X11 -keymap
/System/Library/Keyboards/yourmapping.keymapping

Ciao.
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