Re: [Fink-users] Query: Yosemite upgrade path

[Alexander Hansen]

On 10/23/14, 6:23 PM, Mark Johnson wrote:
> Don’t get me wrong - I appreciate the hard work on fink, but I had a few
> minor comments below.
>
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> Mark Johnson
> mailto:mhjohn...@mac.com
> home: (303) 304-0510
>



>>> (6) Tried to do “selfupdate” - got a message I needed to do fink
>>> reinstall fink to switch to 10.10.
>>
>> Good.  This is by design, to make sure your distribution changes
>> before you self update
> But no mention in the announcement on the mailing list or web page that
> it is necessary.
>

Yeah, I was on a bit of a tear there trying to keep people from using 
fink versions that wouldn't work at all on Yosemite, and I knew from my 
own testing on a 10.9->10.10 upgrade that fink would say to do a "fink 
reinstall fink".  The 10.10 upgrade document will be more explicit about 
that.

>>
>>> (7) In terminal - ran fink reinstall fink - seemed to run OK (though
>>> I noted the “beta” message only at that point).
>>
>> Managing expectations :-)
> Ditto. Just saying that if someone added code to indicate this is beta
> code, the announcement should say it is still beta too.
>

It's not the code so much as the 10.10 distribution which was beta 
quality--dependency holes, packages not having been tested, and the 
like.  By the time the next fin is out we'll move that.
>>
>>> (8) Back to FinkCommander - did the Update Table command - it said
>>> fink was “out of date”.
>>> (9) Did “selfupdate” - this time it ran OK (apparently updating me to
>>> 0.39.1).
>>
>> 0.38.1, unless you installed from the future. :-)
> That was a typo - FinkCommander says my version is now 0.38.1-91 (yet
> fink -V only says 0.38.1). I think the version while under Mavericks was
> something like 0.38.1-81 or similar (sorry - I don’t recall the exact
> number). I just thought it odd to see another version update the day
> after I had upgraded fink (under Mavericks).
>

You might have done the operation just around the time I released the 
new version.  That's my guess.



>> Somebody on one of the lists (maybe this one) mentioned that he was
>> able to fix Fink Commander by installing a Fink perl and using that
>> via the Preferences—that’s for a stuck table.  Failure to update but
>> not being stuck can be remedied by running the appropriate update.
>>
> I saw that message a few days ago though it was short on details -
> perhaps installing perl5162?
>
>

Yup, that's what they ultimately tried.  There might be something wacky 
in newer Apple Perls that Fink Commander doesn't get along with--but 
since it hasn't been developed actively in a decade tracking that down 
is going to be tricky.



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Re: [Fink-users] Query: Yosemite upgrade path

[Mark Johnson]

Don’t get me wrong - I appreciate the hard work on fink, but I had a few minor 
comments below.

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> On Oct 23, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Alexander Hansen  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Mark Johnson  > wrote:
> 
>> I just upgraded to Yosemite last night and noted the following when making 
>> sure fink worked:
>> (1) Just before upgrading - I got a message in AppStore indicating that the 
>> Xcode tools had been updated automatically with the SDK for Yosemite, 
>> Mavericks, and iOS 8.1. I thought that was a good sign
>> (2) I did the upgrade - took longer than the time estimate (what else is 
>> new…)
>> (3) After rebooting and after entering my iCloud password about a dozen 
>> times, I ran Xcode and said OK to the new license.
>> (4) Xcode then worked for a while installing components, etc. Then quit 
>> Xcode.
>> [at this point - it was late in the evening - I resumed getting back to fink 
>> today]
>> (5) I fired up FinkCommander - it seemed to start OK.
>> (6) Tried to do “selfupdate” - got a message I needed to do fink reinstall 
>> fink to switch to 10.10.
> 
> Good.  This is by design, to make sure your distribution changes before you 
> self update
But no mention in the announcement on the mailing list or web page that it is 
necessary.

> 
>> (7) In terminal - ran fink reinstall fink - seemed to run OK (though I noted 
>> the “beta” message only at that point).
> 
> Managing expectations :-)
Ditto. Just saying that if someone added code to indicate this is beta code, 
the announcement should say it is still beta too.

> 
>> (8) Back to FinkCommander - did the Update Table command - it said fink was 
>> “out of date”.
>> (9) Did “selfupdate” - this time it ran OK (apparently updating me to 
>> 0.39.1).
> 
> 0.38.1, unless you installed from the future. :-)
That was a typo - FinkCommander says my version is now 0.38.1-91 (yet fink -V 
only says 0.38.1). I think the version while under Mavericks was something like 
0.38.1-81 or similar (sorry - I don’t recall the exact number). I just thought 
it odd to see another version update the day after I had upgraded fink (under 
Mavericks).

> 
>> (10) Did “update all” - no change.
>> (11) I picked a small package (an) to build to make sure I could build 
>> something from source, it worked OK.
>> Side note - FinkCommander didn’t update the table properly after installing 
>> “an”. I’ve seen that symptom before but don’t recall how I fixed it.
>> 
> 
> Somebody on one of the lists (maybe this one) mentioned that he was able to 
> fix Fink Commander by installing a Fink perl and using that via the 
> Preferences—that’s for a stuck table.  Failure to update but not being stuck 
> can be remedied by running the appropriate update.
> 
I saw that message a few days ago though it was short on details - perhaps 
installing perl5162?


>> We should have a short “upgrade to 10.10” page similar to the 10.8 one.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark Johnson
>> mailto:mhjohn...@mac.com 
>> home: (303) 304-0510
>> 
> 
> 
> A 10.10 upgrade page merely requires time and personnel.  Which is hard. :-)  
> Plus manually editing website stuff.
> 
> 
> Alex
> 

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Re: [Fink-users] Query: Yosemite upgrade path

[Alexander Hansen]

On Oct 23, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Mark Johnson  wrote:

> I just upgraded to Yosemite last night and noted the following when making 
> sure fink worked:
> (1) Just before upgrading - I got a message in AppStore indicating that the 
> Xcode tools had been updated automatically with the SDK for Yosemite, 
> Mavericks, and iOS 8.1. I thought that was a good sign
> (2) I did the upgrade - took longer than the time estimate (what else is new…)
> (3) After rebooting and after entering my iCloud password about a dozen 
> times, I ran Xcode and said OK to the new license.
> (4) Xcode then worked for a while installing components, etc. Then quit Xcode.
> [at this point - it was late in the evening - I resumed getting back to fink 
> today]
> (5) I fired up FinkCommander - it seemed to start OK.
> (6) Tried to do “selfupdate” - got a message I needed to do fink reinstall 
> fink to switch to 10.10.

Good.  This is by design, to make sure your distribution changes before you 
selfupdate

> (7) In terminal - ran fink reinstall fink - seemed to run OK (though I noted 
> the “beta” message only at that point).

Managing expectations :-)

> (8) Back to FinkCommander - did the Update Table command - it said fink was 
> “out of date”.
> (9) Did “selfupdate” - this time it ran OK (apparently updating me to 0.39.1).

0.38.1, unless you installed from the future. :-)

> (10) Did “update all” - no change.
> (11) I picked a small package (an) to build to make sure I could build 
> something from source, it worked OK.
> Side note - FinkCommander didn’t update the table properly after installing 
> “an”. I’ve seen that symptom before but don’t recall how I fixed it.
> 

Somebody on one of the lists (maybe this one) mentioned that he was able to fix 
Fink Commander by installing a Fink perl and using that via the 
Preferences—that’s for a stuck table.  Failure to update but not being stuck 
can be remedied by running the appropriate update.

> We should have a short “upgrade to 10.10” page similar to the 10.8 one.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Johnson
> mailto:mhjohn...@mac.com
> home: (303) 304-0510
> 


A 10.10 upgrade page merely requires time and personnel.  Which is hard. :-)  
Plus manually editing website stuff.


Alex

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Re: [Fink-users] Query: Yosemite upgrade path

[Mark Johnson]

I just upgraded to Yosemite last night and noted the following when making sure 
fink worked:
(1) Just before upgrading - I got a message in AppStore indicating that the 
Xcode tools had been updated automatically with the SDK for Yosemite, 
Mavericks, and iOS 8.1. I thought that was a good sign
(2) I did the upgrade - took longer than the time estimate (what else is new…)
(3) After rebooting and after entering my iCloud password about a dozen times, 
I ran Xcode and said OK to the new license.
(4) Xcode then worked for a while installing components, etc. Then quit Xcode.
[at this point - it was late in the evening - I resumed getting back to fink 
today]
(5) I fired up FinkCommander - it seemed to start OK.
(6) Tried to do “selfupdate” - got a message I needed to do fink reinstall fink 
to switch to 10.10.
(7) In terminal - ran fink reinstall fink - seemed to run OK (though I noted 
the “beta” message only at that point).
(8) Back to FinkCommander - did the Update Table command - it said fink was 
“out of date”.
(9) Did “selfupdate” - this time it ran OK (apparently updating me to 0.39.1).
(10) Did “update all” - no change.
(11) I picked a small package (an) to build to make sure I could build 
something from source, it worked OK.
Side note - FinkCommander didn’t update the table properly after installing 
“an”. I’ve seen that symptom before but don’t recall how I fixed it.

We should have a short “upgrade to 10.10” page similar to the 10.8 one.

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mailto:mhjohn...@mac.com
home: (303) 304-0510

> On Oct 20, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Alexander Hansen  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Mark Johnson  > wrote:
> 
>> OK. I waited for Mavericks and I am willing to wait for Yosemite. I’ve read 
>> the messages the last few days, but am unsure what the upgrade path will be 
>> for Yosemite.
>> (1) Will there be a version of Fink I can install on my current 10.9.5 
>> system - and THEN upgrade to Yosemite or 
>> (2) will it be a clean Fink install again (like moving to Mavericks) or
>> (3) will it be something else?
>> Plus - how will I know when (1) is available - if that is the path….
>> 
>> I really appreciate all that all you do with Fink - and thanks in advance.
>> -- 
>> Mark Johnson
>> mailto:mhjohn...@mac.com
>> home: (303) 304-0510
>> 
>> 
> 
> (1) as per the lead news item on finkproject.org .

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Re: [Fink-users] Query: Yosemite upgrade path

[Alexander Hansen]

On Oct 20, 2014, at 4:32 PM, Mark Johnson  wrote:

> OK. I waited for Mavericks and I am willing to wait for Yosemite. I’ve read 
> the messages the last few days, but am unsure what the upgrade path will be 
> for Yosemite.
> (1) Will there be a version of Fink I can install on my current 10.9.5 system 
> - and THEN upgrade to Yosemite or 
> (2) will it be a clean Fink install again (like moving to Mavericks) or
> (3) will it be something else?
> Plus - how will I know when (1) is available - if that is the path….
> 
> I really appreciate all that all you do with Fink - and thanks in advance.
> -- 
> Mark Johnson
> mailto:mhjohn...@mac.com
> home: (303) 304-0510
> 
> 

(1) as per the lead news item on finkproject.org.




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[Fink-users] Query: Yosemite upgrade path

[Mark Johnson]

OK. I waited for Mavericks and I am willing to wait for Yosemite. I’ve read the 
messages the last few days, but am unsure what the upgrade path will be for 
Yosemite.
(1) Will there be a version of Fink I can install on my current 10.9.5 system - 
and THEN upgrade to Yosemite or 
(2) will it be a clean Fink install again (like moving to Mavericks) or
(3) will it be something else?
Plus - how will I know when (1) is available - if that is the path….

I really appreciate all that all you do with Fink - and thanks in advance.
-- 
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mailto:mhjohn...@mac.com
home: (303) 304-0510


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