[Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
1) XFree86 is more coherent withFink sub-system; 2) It's free from proprietary elements; 3) It let you use pure Darwin enviroment. Francesco On Mon, 31 May 2004 20:58:22 + (UTC), Perry Wagle wrote: > (1) Why does Fink insist on installing its own version of XFree86 instead of using the native X11? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149&alloc_id=8166&op=click ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
Hi Perry: I've never encountered an instability with Applex X11.app, so I can't comment on that, but there also exist some advantages (apart from convenience), depending upon your needs. In my case the most important advantage is the quartz acceleration of the (proprietary) window manager. For complicated molecular graphics displays (pymol, molmol, etc), the non-quartz versions are so slow on my G4s that they are essentially unusable, whereas the X11.app quartz acceleration makes them almost indistinguishable from true native OS X graphics display programs. I think there are two disadvantages. The first is that it is proprietary, so free software purists will object. But free software purists most likely run GNU-Linux or freeBSD or similar rather than OS X. The other is the fact that the user has to know to install separately the ~4MB SDK package, which doesn't install by default. I think most of the problems people have with fink trying to install its own X11 derives from the perverse separation of X11 into a 50MB package and a 4 MB package, as if installing a 54 MB package would somehow inconvenience some users. If fink could be made to detect the presence of /Applications/Utilities/X11.app and the absence of header files and somehow warn the user to install manually the SDK, or better yet, somehow offer to install it from the on-line download, it might go smoother. Bill Scott --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
I uninstalled Apple SDK without problems: it seems useless with Xfree86. Francesco On Tue, 1 Jun 2004 21:33:18 -0700, William Scott wrote: > the fact that the user has to know to install separately the ~4MB SDK >package, which doesn't install by default. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
I would like to have the choice of using either MacOS X11 or Fink X11 or both, depending on my experience with them. And you should be likewise able to make your own choices based on your experience. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
[Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
Anyone know why the paths can't be changed? I've installed X11 (pre XFree86) on many machines (though not recently), and never had problems not using the default paths. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
And, best of all, the Fink X11 is MUCH more stable. Tony On May 31, 2004, at 9:39 PM, Franco Quaranta wrote: 1) XFree86 is more coherent withFink sub-system; 2) It's free from proprietary elements; 3) It let you use pure Darwin enviroment. Francesco On Mon, 31 May 2004 20:58:22 + (UTC), Perry Wagle wrote: (1) Why does Fink insist on installing its own version of XFree86 instead of using the native X11? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149&alloc_id=8166&op=click ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149&alloc_id=8166&op=click ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
There seems to be some confusion here. Apple's X11 for Panther works just fine and is quite stable. Most users will be quite happy with this option and won't need to install Fink's xfree86 package. The instructions about removing Fink probably need to be updated, to point out that you would only remove /usr/X11R6 if you were using Fink's xfree86 package. (Note that prior to Apple's release of X11 beta for Jaguar, installing Fink's xfree86 was the most common option for users, which is what led to the instructions you saw.) If you have inadvertantly removed /usr/X11R6 when using Apple's X11, you can either reinstall Apple's X11 (from the 10.3 and XCode install disks: you need the X11SDK package from XCode if you are going to install any Fink packages from source), or you can install Fink's xfree86. -- Dave --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149&alloc_id=8166&op=click ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
On Jun 1, 2004, at 6:01 AM, David R. Morrison wrote: Apple's X11 for Panther works just fine and is quite stable. I respectfully disagree. The Apple X server seems to core dump in my environment and usage patterns with great regularity. The Fink X11 does not. YMMV Tony --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Oracle 10g Get certified on the hottest thing ever to hit the market... Oracle 10g. Take an Oracle 10g class now, and we'll give you the exam FREE. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=3149&alloc_id=8166&op=click ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
Tony Li writes: > > > And, best of all, the Fink X11 is MUCH more stable. And slower, and less interoperable with OSX itself. Or has Fink's X11 made strides in those areas? I switched to Apple's X11 because it was MUCH more responsive and had MUCH better support for OSX's clipboard. I also didn't notice any big drop in stability. However, it's entirely possible that Fink's X11 has improved since then... -- Viktor Haag : Software & Information Design : Research In Motion +--+ Disclaimer mandated by employer: "This transmission may contain confidential or privileged material. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful." --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. >From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
4.4 seems to be of comparable speed to Apple's X11, and can use the quartz window manager, too. On Jun 1, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Viktor Haag wrote: Tony Li writes: And, best of all, the Fink X11 is MUCH more stable. And slower, and less interoperable with OSX itself. Or has Fink's X11 made strides in those areas? I switched to Apple's X11 because it was MUCH more responsive and had MUCH better support for OSX's clipboard. I also didn't notice any big drop in stability. However, it's entirely possible that Fink's X11 has improved since then... --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
Re: [Fink-users] Re: MacOS X11 vs Fink X11
On Jun 1, 2004, at 3:56 PM, Perry Wagle wrote: Anyone know why the paths can't be changed? I've installed X11 (pre XFree86) on many machines (though not recently), and never had problems not using the default paths. Do you mean the installation paths? -- Alexander Hansen Fink Documentarian [Day Job] Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 ___ Fink-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-users
