Re: [firebird-support] Mailing list change?
On 10-8-2018 18:15, blackfalconsoftw...@outlook.com [firebird-support] wrote: > Do you know how the data is stored in the Yahoo mailing list? If not, > could you contact the administrator to find out? In my experience, it is pretty hard to contact Yahoo for simple problems, let alone for questions like that. IIRC, Yahoo does offer a REST API for the archive, but right now, I can't even find its documentation. Mark -- Mark Rotteveel
Re: [firebird-support] Mailing list change?
Mark... Do you know how the data is stored in the Yahoo mailing list? If not, could you contact the administrator to find out? There may be a way to convert it to another platform in case the project leaders decide to move it to another platform... Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer
Re: [firebird-support] Mailing list change?
Well, let's not throw strawmen into the mix. Let's not assume moving the list means going to a web-based service OR going to a fee-based service. If we could find a reliable non-cost, non-web forum, is there any big reason not to move away from Yahoo's neglected service? Has anyone really looked for viable alternatives over the past few years? Doug C.
Re: [firebird-support] Mailing list change?
On 10-8-2018 18:32, blackfalconsoftw...@outlook.com [firebird-support] wrote: > Out of curiosity, I found the following two links that may help in your > future decisions about changing from Yahoo Groups to another platform... > > 1... > This link demonstrates that others have been having a lot of problems > with their Yahoo Groups' access. The posts are relatively recent from > this years > > https://forums.yahoo.net/t5/Groups/Cannot-access-Yahoo-Groups-Database/td-p/468617 That seems to be about the Databases feature of Yahoo Groups that is not used by the Firebird project. But it is certainly possible that I don't see some of those issues because I'm using our Yahoo Groups as a mailing list and don't normally use the Yahoo Groups web interface except for moderating firebird-java or for searching the archive if I can't find things locally. To be honest, if I'd be using Yahoo Groups through its web interface, I'd probably have advocated for migrating to Google Groups or another solution years ago, as I think it offers sub-par user experience. > 2... > This next link demonstrates a possible way to extract the Firebird Group > data into a Mongo database for backup purposes... > > https://github.com/csaftoiu/yahoo-groups-backup > > This process would require some knowledge of Python to perform the > extract process. That is interesting, thanks for that link. I'm going to put that on my 'things to investigate' list :) Mark -- Mark Rotteveel
Re: [firebird-support] Mailing list change?
On 9-8-2018 17:42, DougC d...@moosemail.net [firebird-support] wrote: > > > In light of the current problem of duplicate messages being sent out, > I'd like to bring up the idea of changing platforms from the Yahoo > Groups platform. Many other mailing lists I receive used to use Yahoo > Groups but have moved elsewhere over the past few years due to recurring > issues with Yahoo. I think the Firebird lists are the only ones I > subscribe to that have not done this. > > How should we explore this? I this idea of interest to other subscribers > or admins? Some of the sub-projects have moved from the sourceforge mailing lists to Google Groups (which can also be used as a mailing list). However we (as project admins) have - at the moment - no plans to move firebird-support away from Yahoo Groups. Also, what looks to be temporary hick ups in a service that has worked relatively well for the past 18 years (since November 2000) is not a good enough reason to move a mailing list with 7500+ subscribers, especially given the fact that 1) because of the GDPR we can't simply resubscribe everyone on a new list, 2) we'd lose the archive, and 3) it'd cause a lot of confusion + other issues. If the service continues to be degraded, we'll start a discussion if and how to address that. Mark -- Mark Rotteveel
Re: [firebird-support] Mailing list change?
I agree with the suggestion NOT to move anywhere with a price list. Other than that I am equally content to stay or to follow you elsewhere R~~ In response to G8HFL: I will add G8YWO formerly VP8AEH ;) On Fri, 10 Aug 2018, 10:54 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk [firebird-support], wrote: > > > On 09/08/18 16:42, DougC d...@moosemail.net [firebird-support] wrote: > > In light of the current problem of duplicate messages being sent out, > > I'd like to bring up the idea of changing platforms from the Yahoo > > Groups platform. Many other mailing lists I receive used to use Yahoo > > Groups but have moved elsewhere over the past few years due to recurring > > issues with Yahoo. I think the Firebird lists are the only ones I > > subscribe to that have not done this. > > > > How should we explore this? I this idea of interest to other subscribers > > or admins? > > While yahoo has it's problems, it's use 'email only' works for many of > us and I for one have dropped lists which have moved to other more web > based services. I like the way I can come down in the morning and see > what needs to be dealt with. Even duplicate messages are easy to spot > and remove leaving me with a tidy archive that goes back to late 90's on > some lists. > > While groups.io have a price list it's not something I will be looking > to transfer to. All to easy for them to start charging for every list at > some point ... I've simply dropped the lists that have moved ... > > -- > Lester Caine - G8HFL > - > Contact - https://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact > L.S.Caine Electronic Services - https://lsces.co.uk > EnquirySolve - https://enquirysolve.com/ > Model Engineers Digital Workshop - https://medw.co.uk > Rainbow Digital Media - https://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk > >
Re: [firebird-support] Mailing list change?
On 09/08/18 16:42, DougC d...@moosemail.net [firebird-support] wrote: > In light of the current problem of duplicate messages being sent out, > I'd like to bring up the idea of changing platforms from the Yahoo > Groups platform. Many other mailing lists I receive used to use Yahoo > Groups but have moved elsewhere over the past few years due to recurring > issues with Yahoo. I think the Firebird lists are the only ones I > subscribe to that have not done this. > > How should we explore this? I this idea of interest to other subscribers > or admins? While yahoo has it's problems, it's use 'email only' works for many of us and I for one have dropped lists which have moved to other more web based services. I like the way I can come down in the morning and see what needs to be dealt with. Even duplicate messages are easy to spot and remove leaving me with a tidy archive that goes back to late 90's on some lists. While groups.io have a price list it's not something I will be looking to transfer to. All to easy for them to start charging for every list at some point ... I've simply dropped the lists that have moved ... -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - https://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - https://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - https://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - https://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - https://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk
[firebird-support] Mailing list change?
In light of the current problem of duplicate messages being sent out, I'd like to bring up the idea of changing platforms from the Yahoo Groups platform. Many other mailing lists I receive used to use Yahoo Groups but have moved elsewhere over the past few years due to recurring issues with Yahoo. I think the Firebird lists are the only ones I subscribe to that have not done this. How should we explore this? I this idea of interest to other subscribers or admins? Doug C.
