[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[blackfalconsoftw...@outlook.com [firebird-support]]

I do not like using Java applications on my workstation, mostly as a result of 
the extra clutter they bring in addition to the enormous number of Microsoft 
files I already have installed.
 

 That being said, I do agree with the commenters in this thread where the 
Firebird Development Group should at this point consider offering a bundled 
Firebird Database Manager with their engine.
 

 "Red Expert", from what I have seen of it so far, looks to be a very competent 
database manager along with DB-Beaver.
 

 However, until the Firebird Development Group enhances the engine's 
compilation error reporting, which in my view is very poor, no such manager 
will be able to provide superior levels of comfort for database developers 
using the Firebird Database Engine.
 

 For now, I will stay with EMS Sql Manager's Firebird Database Administrator 
for my primary manager as I have been using their tools for quite a number of 
years, all of which have limited, free versions available.
 

 Steve Naidamast
 Sr. Software Engineer

 

 

Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

['Ismael L. Donis Garcia' sli...@natio.co.cu [firebird-support]]

I personally do not like it because it depends on Java, I like Flamerobin much 
more which I will try to see if its development is resumed.

Best Regards
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  >
  > Lazarus/Delphi developers are unable to use isql?
  >

  Hello,

  I can use isql; I can use isql. But when there is more than 5, 6 tables, a 
graphical tool becomes useful and saves a lot of time.

  For information, I have pasted a link to "Red Expert" GUI: it is a very 
advanced program (written for Java 8; so, works on Windows and Linux). The 
screenshot is there to show that with a graphical interface, understanding the 
relationships of a database is immediate (not to mention the bookmarks of 
favorite queries, sorting \ filtering by clicking on a column, etc).

  https://www.cjoint.com/c/IJDrlzg3d83

  Best regards



  

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[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[pablo sanchez pab...@adinet.com.uy [firebird-support]]

RedExpert works really well (no v3.0.3.554 is v1.0.6) .

I went back to dbeaver CE  (v6.2.3) and also is running very neat .
I also needs java .

Regards


> Already registered and downloaded from https://reddatabase.ru .
> The version is the Open Edition v3.0.3.554 .
> 
> Running on Debian 10 and Debian Testing both 64bit, using openjdk 11.
> It works fine with openjdk 8 .
> 
> Is working nice, it looks nice. Will be trying much futher .
> 
> Regards,
> Pablo Sanchez
> 
> On 10/21/19 2:29 PM, 'Alexey Kovyazin (ak)' a...@ib-aid.com
> [firebird-support] wrote:
>> Hello Stefan,
>>
>>
>> If Firebird users want to have GUI too, we should consider the options.
>> The situation now is really different than several years ago, so
>> including a free GUI to Firebird umbrella now is really a option. For
>> example, at Firebird Conference there was presentation about RedExpert -
>> GPL license, multi platform, developed by contributor of Firebird and
>> (since last week) Platinum sponsor.
>> I tried its beta on Linux and Windows and it worked far better than
>> thing included into Postgresql and abandoned FlameRobin.
>>
>> Of course, we should discuss all aspects before making the decision.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alexey Kovyazin
>> IBSurgeon
>>
>>
>>
>> пн, 21 окт. 2019 г., 19:24 Stefan Heymann li...@stefanheymann.de
>>  [firebird-support]
>> > >:
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Posted by: pablo sanchez 
> ---

Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[emou...@yahoo.fr [firebird-support]]

 >
> Lazarus/Delphi developers are unable to use isql?
 >
 
Hello,

I can use isql; I can use isql. But when there is more than 5, 6 tables, a 
graphical tool becomes useful and saves a lot of time.

For information, I have pasted a link to "Red Expert" GUI: it is a very 
advanced program (written for Java 8; so, works on Windows and Linux). The 
screenshot is there to show that with a graphical interface, understanding the 
relationships of a database is immediate (not to mention the bookmarks of 
favorite queries, sorting \ filtering by clicking on a column, etc).

https://www.cjoint.com/c/IJDrlzg3d83 https://www.cjoint.com/c/IJDrlzg3d83

Best regards

Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[liviuslivius liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl [firebird-support]]

You are joking, command line tool in this days is only for scripting. Using it 
in everyday work is a bad joke. Gui tool have scrolling, local sorting, 
filtering, exporting...Regards,Karol Bieniaszewski
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Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[emou...@yahoo.fr [firebird-support]]

>
> Take a look in the link below... It is a GUI tool 
> Open Source and free, being developed by RedSoft:
> https://www.firebirdnews.org/redexpert-1-0-6-released/ 
> https://www.firebirdnews.org/redexpert-1-0-6-released/
 >
 
Thank you.

I've tested the installation of another Linux workstation (also Ubuntu 18.04 
LTS): "Red Expert" installs well ==> So, I have a "Java Runtime Environment 
problem" on the first workstation.
 
Best regards,
 
 

Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Dimitry Sibiryakov s...@ibphoenix.com [firebird-support]]

25.10.2019 17:22, emou...@yahoo.fr [firebird-support] wrote:
> The only tool I can use to create a *.fdb, is FlameRobin (an "abandonware"); 
> Firebird 
> being used by the Delphi Lazarus developer community, the fact that it was 
> written in 
> C\C++ instead of Pascal can, perhaps, partly explains this fact.

   Lazarus/Delphi developers are unable to use isql?


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[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Norbert Saint Georges n...@tetrasys.eu [firebird-support]]

> /hom/Me/.software/test_only_one_tbl.fdb; found: 11.2, support 12.0"; so, I'm 
> stuck with FlameRobin: how long will it work?; and I couldn't install Red 
> Expert), with an advantage for those who subscribe (everything is 
> imaginable). 

there is a project written in pascal (turbobird 
http://code-sd.com/products/turbobird/) that runs on several 
environments and only needs to be completed. I even found it in typhoon 
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Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

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[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[emou...@yahoo.fr [firebird-support]]

Hello,
(I hope I'm not posting in duplicate) 


I also think there is a problem. 

Companies that have a chance to make money on the Internet, use database 
servers, and therefore databases under Linux servers.
Microsoft has its Azure Cloud on Linux server. SQL-server is installed on Linux 
servers, such as mySQL, Oracle, etc.
The only tool I can use to create a *.fdb is FlameRobin (an "abandonware"); 
Firebird being used by the Delphi Lazarus developer community, the fact that it 
is written in C\C++ instead of Pascal can, perhaps, partly explain this fact.
As the Firebird organization is constantly creating new combinatorial features, 
and this is to their credit. But without a tool with a graphical interface 
under Linux to understand these features, is it really used...?

For information, under Lazarus, there are "bounties": globally, people who are 
involved in a problem say how much they put in a common pot, for a writing of a 
feature. Inspired by this idea, is it not conceivable that Firebird would 
partner with a specialized Firebird metadata management editor, via a kind of 
crowdfunding, to create or port a completely open-source or semi-open-source 
tool for creating or managing Firebird databases running under Linux too (I 
would point out, that I have done some tests of database creation under Wine: 
for me, the database created cannot be used by a Linux application because when 
I want to open it, I get the message "onsupported on-disk structure for file 
/hom/Me/.software/test_only_one_tbl.fdb; found: 11.2, support 12.0"; so, I'm 
stuck with FlameRobin: how long will it work?; and I couldn't install Red 
Expert), with an advantage for those who subscribe (everything is imaginable). 



my 2 cents. 
Best regards.

[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[emou...@yahoo.fr [firebird-support]]

I also think there is a problem.

Companies that have a chance to make money on the internet, use database 
servers, and therefore databases under Linux servers.
Microsoft has its Azure Cloud on Linux server. SQL-server is installed on Linux 
servers, such as mySQL, Oracle, etc.
The only tool I can use to create a *.fdb, is FlameRobin (an "abandonware"); 
Firebird being used by the Delphi Lazarus developer community, the fact that it 
was written in C\C++ instead of Pascal can, perhaps, partly explains this fact.
Firebird organization is constantly creating new combinatorial features, and 
this is to its credit. But without a tool with a graphical interface under 
Linux to manage\understand these features, is it really used...?

Under Lazarus, there are "bounties": globally, people who are involved in a 
computer problem say how much they put in a common pot for a writing of a 
feature. Based on this idea, is it not conceivable that Firebird would partner 
with a specialized Firebird metadata management editor, via a kind of 
crowdfunding, to create or port an open-source GUI tool for creating or 
managing Firebird databases for Linux too (with an advantage for those who 
subscribe to it). After all, if no database administrator, and no developer 
using Firebird subscribes, the Firebird community will be on the same page for 
the future, which is healthy...

2 cents.

[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[pablo sanchez pab...@adinet.com.uy [firebird-support]]

Already registered and downloaded from https://reddatabase.ru .
The version is the Open Edition v3.0.3.554 .

Running on Debian 10 and Debian Testing both 64bit, using openjdk 11.
It works fine with openjdk 8 .

Is working nice, it looks nice. Will be trying much futher .

Regards,
Pablo Sanchez

On 10/21/19 2:29 PM, 'Alexey Kovyazin (ak)' a...@ib-aid.com 
[firebird-support] wrote:
> Hello Stefan,
> 
> 
> If Firebird users want to have GUI too, we should consider the options.
> The situation now is really different than several years ago, so 
> including a free GUI to Firebird umbrella now is really a option. For 
> example, at Firebird Conference there was presentation about RedExpert - 
> GPL license, multi platform, developed by contributor of Firebird and 
> (since last week) Platinum sponsor.
> I tried its beta on Linux and Windows and it worked far better than 
> thing included into Postgresql and abandoned FlameRobin.
> 
> Of course, we should discuss all aspects before making the decision.
> 
> Regards,
> Alexey Kovyazin
> IBSurgeon
> 
> 
> 
> пн, 21 окт. 2019 г., 19:24 Stefan Heymann li...@stefanheymann.de 
>  [firebird-support] 
>  >:
> 

Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Daniel Miller dmil...@amfes.com [firebird-support]]

On 10/14/2019 11:42 PM, Hamish Moffatt ham...@risingsoftware.com 
[firebird-support] wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/10/19 10:52 am, Daniel Miller dmil...@amfes.com [firebird-support] 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> There are a few (Windows-only) applications that are quite powerful -
>> but honestly the primary tool I've used has been FirebirdWebAdmin
>> (formerly IBWebAdmin). I'm generally working from a remote site and
>>
> 
> Thanks for the tip, I didn't know about this tool. It hasn't had a 
> release in a few years though. Does it work with current PHP (7.x)?
> 

Yes.

--
Daniel

Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Hamish Moffatt ham...@risingsoftware.com [firebird-support]]

On 11/10/19 10:52 am, Daniel Miller dmil...@amfes.com [firebird-support] 
wrote:



There are a few (Windows-only) applications that are quite powerful -
but honestly the primary tool I've used has been FirebirdWebAdmin
(formerly IBWebAdmin). I'm generally working from a remote site and



Thanks for the tip, I didn't know about this tool. It hasn't had a 
release in a few years though. Does it work with current PHP (7.x)?



Hamish

Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Hamish Moffatt ham...@risingsoftware.com [firebird-support]]

On 14/10/19 5:17 am, pablo sanchez pab...@adinet.com.uy 
[firebird-support] wrote:


I prefer to connect over vpn/ssh to remote sites and run Flamerobin
from my pc. I have all customer connections together, which is very
convenient for me .



It's convenient, but Firebird (2.5 at least) is *very* slow over links 
with even modest latency. If I have something simple to do it's quicker 
to use ssh + isql than to connect with IBExpert or FlameRobin over the 
internet.



Hamish

[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[pablo sanchez pab...@adinet.com.uy [firebird-support]]

I prefer to connect over vpn/ssh to remote sites and run Flamerobin
from my pc. I have all customer connections together, which is very
convenient for me .

Pablo


> On 10/9/2019 9:08 AM, pablo sanchez pab...@adinet.com.uy
> [firebird-support] wrote:
>> I use Firebird since 0.x version (open interbase?) .
>>
>> It's the most versatile db I've found so far : embedded and full server,
>> linux(99%) and windows, odbc or jaybird.
>>
>> Installs in 5 minutes with db configuration.
>>
>> I never had a performance issue that was not my fault and biggest db's
>> are 80GB+ with ~300 concurrent sessions .
>>
>> The "tooling" is becoming a problem for me as I use less and less
>> ms-windows. There are no linux tools I can bare to use daily as
>> Flamerobin is, and I must start migrating to v3 ASAP. I'm starting to
>> evaluate windows tools within WINE and java based tools .
>>
> 
> There are a few (Windows-only) applications that are quite powerful -
> but honestly the primary tool I've used has been FirebirdWebAdmin
> (formerly IBWebAdmin). I'm generally working from a remote site and
> connecting via SSH or HTTP to the server - so having a web-based GUI
> running on the database server is a natural fit for me.
> 
> What specific features are you looking for that aren't available in this
> manner?
> 
> --
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Posted by: Daniel Miller 
> 
> 
> ++
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> 
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> http://www.ibphoenix.com/resources/documents/
> 
> ++
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[Daniel Miller dmil...@amfes.com [firebird-support]]

On 10/9/2019 9:08 AM, pablo sanchez pab...@adinet.com.uy 
[firebird-support] wrote:
> I use Firebird since 0.x version (open interbase?) .
> 
> It's the most versatile db I've found so far : embedded and full server,
> linux(99%) and windows, odbc or jaybird.
> 
> Installs in 5 minutes with db configuration.
> 
> I never had a performance issue that was not my fault and biggest db's
> are 80GB+ with ~300 concurrent sessions .
> 
> The "tooling" is becoming a problem for me as I use less and less
> ms-windows. There are no linux tools I can bare to use daily as
> Flamerobin is, and I must start migrating to v3 ASAP. I'm starting to
> evaluate windows tools within WINE and java based tools .
> 

There are a few (Windows-only) applications that are quite powerful - 
but honestly the primary tool I've used has been FirebirdWebAdmin 
(formerly IBWebAdmin). I'm generally working from a remote site and 
connecting via SSH or HTTP to the server - so having a web-based GUI 
running on the database server is a natural fit for me.

What specific features are you looking for that aren't available in this 
manner?

--
Daniel

[firebird-support] Re: Off-Topic: Firebird future

[pablo sanchez pab...@adinet.com.uy [firebird-support]]

I use Firebird since 0.x version (open interbase?) .

It's the most versatile db I've found so far : embedded and full server,
linux(99%) and windows, odbc or jaybird.

Installs in 5 minutes with db configuration.

I never had a performance issue that was not my fault and biggest db's
are 80GB+ with ~300 concurrent sessions .

The "tooling" is becoming a problem for me as I use less and less
ms-windows. There are no linux tools I can bare to use daily as 
Flamerobin is, and I must start migrating to v3 ASAP. I'm starting to 
evaluate windows tools within WINE and java based tools .

Regards

Pablo Sánchez

> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> 
> I've been using FB since version 1 and I have only good comments about 
> the database quality and performance. However, It's true that the 
> development has evolved too slow and we had to wait almost 10 years 
> since the first release to get a real SMP support (I know that's tricky 
> since for Linux and classic was not a problem) and we were far behind 
> the competitors MySQL and PgSQL.
> 
> In the meantime the great team was improving the database, MySQL and 
> PgSQL have won a lot of user base because they evolved faster adding new 
> features like XML support, JSON, NoSQL engines, etc. into their database 
> core. Some of those features look far away from the Firebird next versions.
> 
> Also, today I was looking for a Flamerobin updated version but the 
> project seens abandoned. I mean, flamerobin is a really cool tool but 
> nobody is helping its developers to keep it updated. Some of you can 
> blame that everyone should be able to create code for the project, but 
> that's not true, a project needs engagement to develop, knowledge of the 
> language, etc. So it's not e asy to add developers (and more difficult 
> if they don't see cool features out of the box). Basically, if you want 
> a management tool updated you need to go to commercial.
> 
> So, my point is, the current Firebird develepment model is not 
> delivering features as the market requires, there is not a gui 
> management tool once you install the software, all the cool features are 
> commercial. If you install MySQL, after the installation you will get a 
> DBMS with GUI for management, encryption,  replication out of the box 
> since many years ago, all drivers for developers if desired, extensive 
> support from Cloud providers, and a lot of features that make it a very 
> functional tool out of the box. Also PgSQL offers many of these features 
> out of the box fo r free.
> 
> I know the Firebird model offers to many Companies to sell those missing 
> tools, but to be honest, if your competitors offer the same for free you 
> will go for them. In my last project I used MySQL because it has wide 
> support in the cloud providers, offering Database as a Service, 
> replication, encryption, an integrated GUI out of the box and other 
> features. In the next project I will be using PgSQL for similar reasons. 
> I'm asking myself how much time I'll still be using Firebird if the 
> project evolves slow, there is not GUI officially maintened and the cool 
> features are for the commercial companies.
> 
> I don't want to start a flame, thos e are only my personal thoughs 
> regarding the Firebird future. If nothing changes, we could see some 
> users and developers moving to other DBMS for sure... and we have not 
> talked about NoSQL competitors yet...
> 
> You are the genius, I hope you will figure out how to keep this great 
> project alive.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
>