Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Thank you very much. I will get a chance to try the -o switch this weekend when everyone goes home. Jack On 6/12/2015 2:25 PM, Ann Harrison aharri...@ibphoenix.com [firebird-support] wrote: On 6/12/2015 2:11 PM, Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support] wrote: Thank you very much. I will try the -o switch and the gfix suggestion as well. Don't bother with gfix. It does a physical database check - pointers point to what they should, pages are the right type, etc. Your problem is with the logic of the database, specifically with one of the grants. From a very historical point of view, InterBase was created with a security model that everything was allowed unless prohibited. SQL's model is that nothing is allowed unless permitted. Some odd things were done to convert from the InterBase model to the SQL model and not all of them were done well. You seem to have tripped over one of those issues, probably something that worked OK with earlier versions of Firebird, but which contemporary Firebird rejects. Good luck, Ann -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 "Where there is no vision, the people perish.." Prov 29:18
Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
On 6/12/2015 2:11 PM, Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support] wrote: Thank you very much. I will try the -o switch and the gfix suggestion as well. Don't bother with gfix. It does a physical database check - pointers point to what they should, pages are the right type, etc. Your problem is with the logic of the database, specifically with one of the grants. From a very historical point of view, InterBase was created with a security model that everything was allowed unless prohibited. SQL's model is that nothing is allowed unless permitted. Some odd things were done to convert from the InterBase model to the SQL model and not all of them were done well. You seem to have tripped over one of those issues, probably something that worked OK with earlier versions of Firebird, but which contemporary Firebird rejects. Good luck, Ann
Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Thank you very much. I will try the -o switch and the gfix suggestion as well. Jack On 6/12/2015 2:08 PM, Ann Harrison aharri...@ibphoenix.com [firebird-support] wrote: On 6/11/2015 11:05 AM, Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support] wrote: However, that won't help us. Our concern is that we have been backing up our databases for years and it has been a fruitless exercise. We cannot restore them. We did not have that problem with Interbase 6 but switched to Firebird because it was touted as being "modern, safer" etc. Now we find it is virtually worthless unless we can restore a database it has backed up. OK. First, there's a -o switch that you should use on the restore if the normal restore gets an error. That switch tells gbak to commit after creating the metadata and after loading data for each table. That will get you through most problems in backup files. In this case, it will get you all of your data, indexes, and constraints. Second, the problem is somewhere in the privileges you've defined ... I can't tell which from the error message. Third, IBSurgeon has tools that will allow you to fix most broken gbak backups. Fourth, in the future, restore one out of ten backups to be sure that the backup procedure is actually working. That's a good precaution on any kind of backup. Once in ancient history, we realized after a crash that we'd been backing up to /dev/null - great optimization, not so good for recovery. Nbak has its strengths and weaknesses as well. Good luck, Ann -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 "Where there is no vision, the people perish.." Prov 29:18
Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
On 6/11/2015 11:05 AM, Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support] wrote: However, that won't help us. Our concern is that we have been backing up our databases for years and it has been a fruitless exercise. We cannot restore them. We did not have that problem with Interbase 6 but switched to Firebird because it was touted as being "modern, safer" etc. Now we find it is virtually worthless unless we can restore a database it has backed up. OK. First, there's a -o switch that you should use on the restore if the normal restore gets an error. That switch tells gbak to commit after creating the metadata and after loading data for each table. That will get you through most problems in backup files. In this case, it will get you all of your data, indexes, and constraints. Second, the problem is somewhere in the privileges you've defined ... I can't tell which from the error message. Third, IBSurgeon has tools that will allow you to fix most broken gbak backups. Fourth, in the future, restore one out of ten backups to be sure that the backup procedure is actually working. That's a good precaution on any kind of backup. Once in ancient history, we realized after a crash that we'd been backing up to /dev/null - great optimization, not so good for recovery. Nbak has its strengths and weaknesses as well. Good luck, Ann
Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Got it. Here is what I got when I tried to execute it: C:\backups\Buford>gbak -b -v -user SYSDBA -pas masterkey 192.168.1.252:/bfl/smtb db/customer customer.bak The application has failed to start because its side-by-side configuration is in correct. Please see the application event log or use the command-line sxstrace.e xe tool for more detail. What am I missing? I tried for 3.0, but it would not even run... likely because it needs the 3.0 server running. Jack On 6/11/2015 12:09 PM, liviuslivius liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl [firebird-support] wrote: Hi, no i mean go to http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/snapshot-builds/ download e.g. Windows build Firebird-2.5.5.26887 unzip it and get gbak.exe and do backup and restore with it regards, Karol Bieniaszewski Could not find gback file, but attached is a snapshot of the bin directory for our download. Is that what you needed? Jack On 6/11/2015 11:35 AM, 'liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl' liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl [firebird-support] wrote: > > Hi, > > Maybe another wrong direction, > But download snapshot build of FB2.5 > And extract from there gback file. Do backup with them and try to restore > > Regards, > Karol Bieniaszewski -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 "Where there is no vision, the people perish.." Prov 29:18
Re: Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Hi, no i mean go to http://www.firebirdsql.org/en/snapshot-builds/ download e.g. Windows build Firebird-2.5.5.26887 unzip it and get gbak.exe and do backup and restore with it regards, Karol Bieniaszewski Could not find gback file, but attached is a snapshot of the bin directory for our download. Is that what you needed? Jack On 6/11/2015 11:35 AM, 'liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl' liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl [firebird-support] wrote: > > Hi, > > Maybe another wrong direction, > But download snapshot build of FB2.5 > And extract from there gback file. Do backup with them and try to restore > > Regards, > Karol Bieniaszewski
Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Could not find gback file, but attached is a snapshot of the bin directory for our download. Is that what you needed? Jack On 6/11/2015 11:35 AM, 'liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl' liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl [firebird-support] wrote: > > Hi, > > Maybe another wrong direction, > But download snapshot build of FB2.5 > And extract from there gback file. Do backup with them and try to restore > > Regards, > Karol Bieniaszewski > > Wysłane z mojego HTC > > - Reply message - > Od: "Tim Ward t...@telensa.com [firebird-support]" > > Do: > Temat: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a > restore - error trigger (3) > Data: czw., cze 11, 2015 17:11 > > > On 11/06/2015 16:05, Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com > [firebird-support] wrote: >> >> Thanks, >> However, that won't help us. Our concern is that we have been >> backing up our databases for years and it has been a fruitless >> exercise. We cannot restore them. >> > > *Any* backup procedure for *any* system using *any* tools is pointless > if you don't do regular test restores. > > -- > Tim Ward > -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 "Where there is no vision, the people perish.." Prov 29:18 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Hi, Maybe another wrong direction, But download snapshot build of FB2.5 And extract from there gback file. Do backup with them and try to restore Regards, Karol Bieniaszewski Wysłane z mojego HTC - Reply message - Od: "Tim Ward t...@telensa.com [firebird-support]" Do: Temat: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3) Data: czw., cze 11, 2015 17:11 On 11/06/2015 16:05, Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support] wrote: Thanks, However, that won't help us. Our concern is that we have been backing up our databases for years and it has been a fruitless exercise. We cannot restore them. *Any* backup procedure for *any* system using *any* tools is pointless if you don't do regular test restores. -- Tim Ward
Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Very true, Captain Obvious. We fell prey to the "Firebird is great!" myth. On 6/11/2015 11:11 AM, Tim Ward t...@telensa.com [firebird-support] wrote: On 11/06/2015 16:05, Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support] wrote: Thanks, However, that won't help us. Our concern is that we have been backing up our databases for years and it has been a fruitless exercise. We cannot restore them. *Any* backup procedure for *any* system using *any* tools is pointless if you don't do regular test restores. -- Tim Ward -- "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, Oct. 11, 1798 "Where there is no vision, the people perish.." Prov 29:18
Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
On 11/06/2015 16:05, Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support] wrote: Thanks, However, that won't help us. Our concern is that we have been backing up our databases for years and it has been a fruitless exercise. We cannot restore them. *Any* backup procedure for *any* system using *any* tools is pointless if you don't do regular test restores. -- Tim Ward
Re: Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Thanks, However, that won't help us. Our concern is that we have been backing up our databases for years and it has been a fruitless exercise. We cannot restore them. We did not have that problem with Interbase 6 but switched to Firebird because it was touted as being "modern, safer" etc. Now we find it is virtually worthless unless we can restore a database it has backed up. Unless we can get this problem whipped such that the backups are usable, or find another way to back them up, there is no reason we should be using Firebird. That is our concern. There is apparently another backup program, nbackup, that we will try but at this point we are leery of anything other than a "professional" backup/restore capability for Firebird. Hopefully, someone will come up with either a "fix" for this problem or a different way we should be doing backups. Thanks again for your suggestion, Jack On 6/11/2015 10:46 AM, 'liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl' liviusliv...@poczta.onet.pl [firebird-support] wrote: Hi, Maybe wrong direction But set this restored with error database to be a readonly and try to connect to it Regards, Karol Bieniaszewski - Reply message - Od: "Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support]" Do: Temat: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3) Data: czw., cze 11, 2015 16:26 Here is the gstat - h: Database "customer" Database header page information: Flags0 Checksum12345 Generation1175184 Page size4096 ODS version11.2 Oldest transaction119622 Oldest active1072065 Oldest snapshot1072058 Next transaction1072195 Bumped transaction1 Sequence number0 Next attachment ID275823 Implementation ID24 Shadow count0 Page buffers0 Next header page0 Database dialect3 Creation dateFeb 19, 2013 0:09:08 Attributesforce write Variable header data: Sweep interval:2 *END* and here is the gstat everything else: gstat version LI-V2.5.2.26508 Firebird 2.5 Database "customer" Database header page information: Flags0 Checksum12345 Generation1175182 Page size4096 ODS version11.2 Oldest transaction119622 Oldest active1072065 Oldest snapshot1072058 Next transaction1072193 Bumped transaction1 Sequence number0 Next attachment ID275822 Implementation ID24 Shadow count0 Page buffers0 Next header page0 Database dialect3 Creation dateFeb 19, 2013 0:09:08 Attributesforce write Variable header data: Sweep interval:2 *END* Database file sequence: File customer is the only file Firebird/linux AMD64 (access method), version "LI-V2.5.2.26508 Firebird 2.5" Firebird/linux AMD64 (remote server), version "LI-V2.5.2.26508 Firebird 2.5/tcp (lserver)/P12" Firebird/linux AMD64 (remote interface), version "LI-V2.5.2.26508 Firebird 2.5/tcp (lserver)/P12" on disk structure version 11.2 Analyzing database pages ... CUSTOMERS (128) Primary pointer page: 183, Index root page: 184 Average record length: 340.17, total records: 70105 Average version length: 26.60, total versions: 5, max versions: 2 Data pages: 6626, data page slots: 6646, average fill: 94% Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 1 20 - 39% = 8 40 - 59% = 14 60 - 79% = 16 80 - 99% = 6587 Index FNAME (2) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 135, nodes: 70109 Average data length: 0.51, total dup: 57228, max dup: 584 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 1 40 - 59% = 54 60 - 79% = 40 80 - 99% = 40 Index FULLNAME (6) Depth: 3, leaf buckets: 330, nodes: 70105 Average data length: 4.83, total dup: 20467, max dup: 18169 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 133 40 - 59% = 21 60 - 79% = 173 80 - 99% = 3 Index HOME (3) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 226, nodes: 70108 Average data length: 2.61, total dup: 9196, max dup: 2392 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 2 40 - 59% = 101 60 - 79% = 86 80 - 99% = 37 Index LNAME (0) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 154, nodes: 70117 Average data length: 1.08, total dup: 46986, max dup: 758 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 1 20 - 39% = 1 40 - 59% = 74 60 - 79% = 15 80 - 99% = 63 Index NEWID (4) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 121, nodes: 70105 Average data length: 1.04, total dup: 2, max dup: 1 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 0 40 - 59% = 30 60 - 79% = 13 80 - 99% = 78 Index OFFICEPHONE (5) Depth: 2,
Odp: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3)
Hi, Maybe wrong direction But set this restored with error database to be a readonly and try to connect to it Regards, Karol Bieniaszewski - Reply message - Od: "Jack Mason jackma...@mindspring.com [firebird-support]" Do: Temat: [firebird-support] Firebird 2.52 gbak fails to do a restore - error trigger (3) Data: czw., cze 11, 2015 16:26 Here is the gstat - h: Database "customer" Database header page information: Flags0 Checksum12345 Generation1175184 Page size4096 ODS version11.2 Oldest transaction119622 Oldest active1072065 Oldest snapshot1072058 Next transaction1072195 Bumped transaction1 Sequence number0 Next attachment ID275823 Implementation ID24 Shadow count0 Page buffers0 Next header page0 Database dialect3 Creation dateFeb 19, 2013 0:09:08 Attributesforce write Variable header data: Sweep interval:2 *END* and here is the gstat everything else: gstat version LI-V2.5.2.26508 Firebird 2.5 Database "customer" Database header page information: Flags0 Checksum12345 Generation1175182 Page size4096 ODS version11.2 Oldest transaction119622 Oldest active1072065 Oldest snapshot1072058 Next transaction1072193 Bumped transaction1 Sequence number0 Next attachment ID275822 Implementation ID24 Shadow count0 Page buffers0 Next header page0 Database dialect3 Creation dateFeb 19, 2013 0:09:08 Attributesforce write Variable header data: Sweep interval:2 *END* Database file sequence: File customer is the only file Firebird/linux AMD64 (access method), version "LI-V2.5.2.26508 Firebird 2.5" Firebird/linux AMD64 (remote server), version "LI-V2.5.2.26508 Firebird 2.5/tcp (lserver)/P12" Firebird/linux AMD64 (remote interface), version "LI-V2.5.2.26508 Firebird 2.5/tcp (lserver)/P12" on disk structure version 11.2 Analyzing database pages ... CUSTOMERS (128) Primary pointer page: 183, Index root page: 184 Average record length: 340.17, total records: 70105 Average version length: 26.60, total versions: 5, max versions: 2 Data pages: 6626, data page slots: 6646, average fill: 94% Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 1 20 - 39% = 8 40 - 59% = 14 60 - 79% = 16 80 - 99% = 6587 Index FNAME (2) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 135, nodes: 70109 Average data length: 0.51, total dup: 57228, max dup: 584 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 1 40 - 59% = 54 60 - 79% = 40 80 - 99% = 40 Index FULLNAME (6) Depth: 3, leaf buckets: 330, nodes: 70105 Average data length: 4.83, total dup: 20467, max dup: 18169 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 133 40 - 59% = 21 60 - 79% = 173 80 - 99% = 3 Index HOME (3) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 226, nodes: 70108 Average data length: 2.61, total dup: 9196, max dup: 2392 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 2 40 - 59% = 101 60 - 79% = 86 80 - 99% = 37 Index LNAME (0) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 154, nodes: 70117 Average data length: 1.08, total dup: 46986, max dup: 758 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 1 20 - 39% = 1 40 - 59% = 74 60 - 79% = 15 80 - 99% = 63 Index NEWID (4) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 121, nodes: 70105 Average data length: 1.04, total dup: 2, max dup: 1 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 0 40 - 59% = 30 60 - 79% = 13 80 - 99% = 78 Index OFFICEPHONE (5) Depth: 2, leaf buckets: 102, nodes: 70105 Average data length: 0.20, total dup: 67213, max dup: 38383 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 1 40 - 59% = 32 60 - 79% = 17 80 - 99% = 52 Index RDB$PRIMARY7 (1) Depth: 3, leaf buckets: 346, nodes: 70117 Average data length: 7.64, total dup: 11, max dup: 3 Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 0 20 - 39% = 9 40 - 59% = 171 60 - 79% = 16 80 - 99% = 150 INVOICES (132) Primary pointer page: 191, Index root page: 192 Average record length: 27.41, total records: 27 Average version length: 0.00, total versions: 0, max versions: 0 Data pages: 2, data page slots: 19, average fill: 16% Fill distribution: 0 - 19% = 1 20 - 39% = 1 40 - 59% = 0 60 - 79% = 0 80 - 99% = 0 Index RDB$PRIMARY11 (0) Depth: 2, leaf bu
