Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa effect"
We can integrate the foreground and the background into one common concept of "universe",e.g. - like forest and trees, like Bohr's sets A B of the first kind. The background is different to the foreground by the difference in truth values. Some sentences are true before a specific background, like light is a particle under some measurement setups, and a wave under some different ones. Like one says a displacement is a topographic distance, to be measured in cm from a given position, while others say a displacement is a deviation in the extent of substance of matter present in a given environment, to be measured in kg. Of course the two definitions are mutually exclusive, like Bohr's sets A B in the 2nd sense. The good news is that some strikingly simple arithmetic tools have been developed to be able to sort out the underlying exact meanings of the terms. Karl PS : Does Sunday belong to the week ending with it? Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> schrieb am So., 6. Mai 2018 12:12: > Hi Karl, > > > Thanks for your comment. > > > According to N. Bohr, there are two kinds of opposites, A and B -- (i) > supplementarity wherein A and B adds up to make the whole (e.g., > the forest-tree pair), and (ii) complementarity wherein A or B is the > whole, depending on how the whole is observed (e.g., light as either wave > or particle depending on how it is measured). I can send you the reference > if needed. > > > Sung > -- > *From:* karl javorszky <umok.vede...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, May 4, 2018 2:50:50 PM > *To:* Sungchul Ji > *Cc:* Stanley N. Salthe; fis > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa > effect" > > Dear Sung, > > Very encouraging the discussion of the difficulties human perception poses > while trying to consolidate opposites. > > The existence of the mental image is built on contrasts, so no wonder we > find it hard to get a good grip on the mechanisms at work consolidating > contradictions. > > To the opposites we work on : > > tree vs. forest, > top vs. bottom, > little vs. big, > > could we also add: > > background vs. foreground, > across the flow vs. along the flow of time, > commutative vs. sequenced? > > If so, there appear some encouraging hints, that a rational methodology > has been found to consolidate opposites. > > Karl > > Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> schrieb am Do., 3. Mai 2018 18:01: > > Hi Stan, > > > True. Our brain seems to have many limitations, one of which is our > inability to see the forest and the trees simultaneously. > > > It is interesting to note that we cannot measure (or at least not easy to > measure) particles and waves of quons (or quantum objects) simultaneously > either, although there are occasional claims asserting otherwise. Here we > have two entities, A and B, that are not compositionally related (i.e., A > is not a part of B) as are trees and the forest, but "complementarily" > related (i.e., A^B, read A or B, depending on measurement) and hence does > not involve any hierarchy. > > > All the best. > > > Sung > > -- > *From:* Fis <fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Stanley N Salthe < > ssal...@binghamton.edu> > *Sent:* Sunday, April 29, 2018 9:49 AM > *To:* fis > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa > effect" > > Sung -- regarding: > > The reason epigenetics (defined here as the process of inheritance without > imlplicating any changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not > mentioned in my previous post is because I was mainly interested in the > bottom-up (from micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down > (from macro to micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain > seems unable to handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms > simultaneously, perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that we > have two brain hemispheres (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the > Dao). > > It is interesting that I early realized the difficulty many folks have > with visualizing at one time both the top-down AND bottom-up aspects of the > compositional hierarchy: > [large scale constraints -> [activity in focus <- [small > scale affordances]]] > > Perhaps your suggestion is involved here as well! > > STAN > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> > wrote: > > Hi Arthur and FISers, > > Thank you for asking an important question. The reason epigenetics > (defined here as the process of inheritance without imlplicating any > changes
Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa effect"
Hi Karl, Thanks for your comment. According to N. Bohr, there are two kinds of opposites, A and B -- (i) supplementarity wherein A and B adds up to make the whole (e.g., the forest-tree pair), and (ii) complementarity wherein A or B is the whole, depending on how the whole is observed (e.g., light as either wave or particle depending on how it is measured). I can send you the reference if needed. Sung From: karl javorszky <umok.vede...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 2:50:50 PM To: Sungchul Ji Cc: Stanley N. Salthe; fis Subject: Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa effect" Dear Sung, Very encouraging the discussion of the difficulties human perception poses while trying to consolidate opposites. The existence of the mental image is built on contrasts, so no wonder we find it hard to get a good grip on the mechanisms at work consolidating contradictions. To the opposites we work on : tree vs. forest, top vs. bottom, little vs. big, could we also add: background vs. foreground, across the flow vs. along the flow of time, commutative vs. sequenced? If so, there appear some encouraging hints, that a rational methodology has been found to consolidate opposites. Karl Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu<mailto:s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu>> schrieb am Do., 3. Mai 2018 18:01: Hi Stan, True. Our brain seems to have many limitations, one of which is our inability to see the forest and the trees simultaneously. It is interesting to note that we cannot measure (or at least not easy to measure) particles and waves of quons (or quantum objects) simultaneously either, although there are occasional claims asserting otherwise. Here we have two entities, A and B, that are not compositionally related (i.e., A is not a part of B) as are trees and the forest, but "complementarily" related (i.e., A^B, read A or B, depending on measurement) and hence does not involve any hierarchy. All the best. Sung From: Fis <fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es<mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es>> on behalf of Stanley N Salthe <ssal...@binghamton.edu<mailto:ssal...@binghamton.edu>> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 9:49 AM To: fis Subject: Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa effect" Sung -- regarding: The reason epigenetics (defined here as the process of inheritance without imlplicating any changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not mentioned in my previous post is because I was mainly interested in the bottom-up (from micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down (from macro to micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain seems unable to handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms simultaneously, perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that we have two brain hemispheres (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the Dao). It is interesting that I early realized the difficulty many folks have with visualizing at one time both the top-down AND bottom-up aspects of the compositional hierarchy: [large scale constraints -> [activity in focus <- [small scale affordances]]] Perhaps your suggestion is involved here as well! STAN On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu<mailto:s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu>> wrote: Hi Arthur and FISers, Thank you for asking an important question. The reason epigenetics (defined here as the process of inheritance without imlplicating any changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not mentioned in my previous post is because I was mainly interested in the bottom-up (from micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down (from macro to micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain seems unable to handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms simultaneously, perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that we have two brain hemispheres (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the Dao). One way to integrate the bottom-up and top-down mechanisms underlying genetic phenomenon may be to invoke the principle of vibrational resonance -- to view both the micro-scale DNA and the macro-scale environment of organisms as vibrational systems or systems of oscillators that can exchange information and energy through the well-known mechanisms of resonance (e.g., the resonance between the oscillatory motions of the swing and the arms of the mother; both motions must have same frequencies. otherwise the child will not swing). According to the Fourier theorem, any oscillatory motions of DNA including very low frequencies can be generated by linear combinations of very fast covalent bond vibrations in DNA and hence can be coupled to slow oscillatory motions of the environment, e.g., musical sounds. If this view is correct, music can affect,
Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa effect"
Dear Sung, Very encouraging the discussion of the difficulties human perception poses while trying to consolidate opposites. The existence of the mental image is built on contrasts, so no wonder we find it hard to get a good grip on the mechanisms at work consolidating contradictions. To the opposites we work on : tree vs. forest, top vs. bottom, little vs. big, could we also add: background vs. foreground, across the flow vs. along the flow of time, commutative vs. sequenced? If so, there appear some encouraging hints, that a rational methodology has been found to consolidate opposites. Karl Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> schrieb am Do., 3. Mai 2018 18:01: > Hi Stan, > > > True. Our brain seems to have many limitations, one of which is our > inability to see the forest and the trees simultaneously. > > > It is interesting to note that we cannot measure (or at least not easy to > measure) particles and waves of quons (or quantum objects) simultaneously > either, although there are occasional claims asserting otherwise. Here we > have two entities, A and B, that are not compositionally related (i.e., A > is not a part of B) as are trees and the forest, but "complementarily" > related (i.e., A^B, read A or B, depending on measurement) and hence does > not involve any hierarchy. > > > All the best. > > > Sung > > -- > *From:* Fis <fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Stanley N Salthe < > ssal...@binghamton.edu> > *Sent:* Sunday, April 29, 2018 9:49 AM > *To:* fis > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa > effect" > > Sung -- regarding: > > The reason epigenetics (defined here as the process of inheritance without > imlplicating any changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not > mentioned in my previous post is because I was mainly interested in the > bottom-up (from micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down > (from macro to micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain > seems unable to handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms > simultaneously, perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that we > have two brain hemispheres (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the > Dao). > > It is interesting that I early realized the difficulty many folks have > with visualizing at one time both the top-down AND bottom-up aspects of the > compositional hierarchy: > [large scale constraints -> [activity in focus <- [small > scale affordances]]] > > Perhaps your suggestion is involved here as well! > > STAN > > On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> > wrote: > > Hi Arthur and FISers, > > Thank you for asking an important question. The reason epigenetics > (defined here as the process of inheritance without imlplicating any > changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not mentioned in my > previous post is because I was mainly interested in the bottom-up (from > micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down (from macro to > micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain seems unable to > handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms simultaneously, perhaps it > may have something to do with the fact that we have two brain hemispheres > (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the Dao). > > One way to integrate the bottom-up and top-down mechanisms underlying > genetic phenomenon may be to invoke the principle of vibrational resonance > -- to view both the micro-scale DNA and the macro-scale environment of > organisms as vibrational systems or systems of oscillators that can > exchange information and energy through the well-known mechanisms of > resonance (e.g., the resonance between the oscillatory motions of the swing > and the arms of the mother; both motions must have same > frequencies. otherwise the child will not swing). According to the > Fourier theorem, any oscillatory motions of DNA including very low > frequencies can be generated by linear combinations of very fast > covalent bond vibrations in DNA and hence can be coupled to slow > oscillatory motions of the environment, e.g., musical sounds. If this view > is correct, music can affect, DIRECTLY (i.e., unmediated by the auditory > system of the brain), the molecular motions of DNA in every cell in our > body. In other words, we can hear music not only through our ears but also > through our whole body including blood. Because of the patent issue, I > cannot reveal the experimental evidence supporting this claim, but, indue > course, I hope to share with you the scientific evidence we obtained > recently. > > In conclusion, it may be
Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa effect"
Hi Stan, True. Our brain seems to have many limitations, one of which is our inability to see the forest and the trees simultaneously. It is interesting to note that we cannot measure (or at least not easy to measure) particles and waves of quons (or quantum objects) simultaneously either, although there are occasional claims asserting otherwise. Here we have two entities, A and B, that are not compositionally related (i.e., A is not a part of B) as are trees and the forest, but "complementarily" related (i.e., A^B, read A or B, depending on measurement) and hence does not involve any hierarchy. All the best. Sung From: Fis <fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es> on behalf of Stanley N Salthe <ssal...@binghamton.edu> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2018 9:49 AM To: fis Subject: Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa effect" Sung -- regarding: The reason epigenetics (defined here as the process of inheritance without imlplicating any changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not mentioned in my previous post is because I was mainly interested in the bottom-up (from micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down (from macro to micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain seems unable to handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms simultaneously, perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that we have two brain hemispheres (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the Dao). It is interesting that I early realized the difficulty many folks have with visualizing at one time both the top-down AND bottom-up aspects of the compositional hierarchy: [large scale constraints -> [activity in focus <- [small scale affordances]]] Perhaps your suggestion is involved here as well! STAN On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu<mailto:s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu>> wrote: Hi Arthur and FISers, Thank you for asking an important question. The reason epigenetics (defined here as the process of inheritance without imlplicating any changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not mentioned in my previous post is because I was mainly interested in the bottom-up (from micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down (from macro to micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain seems unable to handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms simultaneously, perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that we have two brain hemispheres (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the Dao). One way to integrate the bottom-up and top-down mechanisms underlying genetic phenomenon may be to invoke the principle of vibrational resonance -- to view both the micro-scale DNA and the macro-scale environment of organisms as vibrational systems or systems of oscillators that can exchange information and energy through the well-known mechanisms of resonance (e.g., the resonance between the oscillatory motions of the swing and the arms of the mother; both motions must have same frequencies. otherwise the child will not swing). According to the Fourier theorem, any oscillatory motions of DNA including very low frequencies can be generated by linear combinations of very fast covalent bond vibrations in DNA and hence can be coupled to slow oscillatory motions of the environment, e.g., musical sounds. If this view is correct, music can affect, DIRECTLY (i.e., unmediated by the auditory system of the brain), the molecular motions of DNA in every cell in our body. In other words, we can hear music not only through our ears but also through our whole body including blood. Because of the patent issue, I cannot reveal the experimental evidence supporting this claim, but, indue course, I hope to share with you the scientific evidence we obtained recently. In conclusion, it may be that the yin-yang doctrine of the Daoist philosophy (or any other equivalent principles) applies here, since molecular genetics and epigenetics may constitute the irreconcilable opposites: "Genetics has two complementary aspects -- molecular genetics and epigenetics." "Molecular genetics and epigenetics are the complementary aspects of genetics." "Genetic phenomena can be accounted for in two irreconcilably opposite manner with equal validity -- through the bottom-up (or reductionistic) or the top-down (or holistic) approaches." The last statement would help avoid many wasteful debates in the field of genetics. If you have any questions or corrections, please let me know. Sung From: Arthur Wist <arthur.w...@gmail.com<mailto:arthur.w...@gmail.com>> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 6:48 PM To: Sungchul Ji; FIS FIS Cc: sbur...@proteomics.rutgers.edu<mailto:sbur...@proteomics.rutgers.edu>; Sergey Petoukhov; ole20
Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa effect"
Sung -- regarding: The reason epigenetics (defined here as the process of inheritance without imlplicating any changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not mentioned in my previous post is because I was mainly interested in the bottom-up (from micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down (from macro to micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain seems unable to handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms simultaneously, perhaps it may have something to do with the fact that we have two brain hemispheres (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the Dao). It is interesting that I early realized the difficulty many folks have with visualizing at one time both the top-down AND bottom-up aspects of the compositional hierarchy: [large scale constraints -> [activity in focus <- [small scale affordances]]] Perhaps your suggestion is involved here as well! STAN On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> wrote: > Hi Arthur and FISers, > > Thank you for asking an important question. The reason epigenetics > (defined here as the process of inheritance without imlplicating any > changes in the nucleotide sequences of DNA) was not mentioned in my > previous post is because I was mainly interested in the bottom-up (from > micro to macro) mechanism of genetics, not the top-down (from macro to > micro) mechanism. It is interesting to note that our brain seems unable to > handle both bottom-up and top-down mechanisms simultaneously, perhaps it > may have something to do with the fact that we have two brain hemispheres > (Yin and Yang) but only one vocal cord (the Dao). > > One way to integrate the bottom-up and top-down mechanisms underlying > genetic phenomenon may be to invoke the principle of vibrational resonance > -- to view both the micro-scale DNA and the macro-scale environment of > organisms as vibrational systems or systems of oscillators that can > exchange information and energy through the well-known mechanisms of > resonance (e.g., the resonance between the oscillatory motions of the swing > and the arms of the mother; both motions must have same > frequencies. otherwise the child will not swing). According to the > Fourier theorem, any oscillatory motions of DNA including very low > frequencies can be generated by linear combinations of very fast > covalent bond vibrations in DNA and hence can be coupled to slow > oscillatory motions of the environment, e.g., musical sounds. If this view > is correct, music can affect, DIRECTLY (i.e., unmediated by the auditory > system of the brain), the molecular motions of DNA in every cell in our > body. In other words, we can hear music not only through our ears but also > through our whole body including blood. Because of the patent issue, I > cannot reveal the experimental evidence supporting this claim, but, indue > course, I hope to share with you the scientific evidence we obtained > recently. > > In conclusion, it may be that the yin-yang doctrine of the Daoist > philosophy (or any other equivalent principles) applies here, since > molecular genetics and epigenetics may constitute the > irreconcilable opposites: > > "Genetics has two complementary aspects -- molecular genetics and > epigenetics." > > "Molecular genetics and epigenetics are the complementary > aspects of genetics." > > "Genetic phenomena can be accounted for in two irreconcilably opposite > manner with equal validity -- through the bottom-up (or reductionistic) or > the top-down (or holistic) approaches." > > The last statement would help avoid many wasteful debates in the field of > genetics. > > If you have any questions or corrections, please let me know. > > Sung > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > *From:* Arthur Wist <arthur.w...@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Friday, April 27, 2018 6:48 PM > *To:* Sungchul Ji; FIS FIS > *Cc:* sbur...@proteomics.rutgers.edu; Sergey Petoukhov; > ole2001@med.cornell; dani...@shirasawa-acl.net; Sungchul Ji; > x...@chemistry.harvard.edu; n...@princeton.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Fw: The 'Shirasawa phenomenon' or the 'Shirasawa > effect" > > Hi, > > Just a short note to first of all say thank you, I've find this very > helpful to know albeit I can't point to a direct application. Secondly > however, I do wonder: Why & how come you neglected to - in either an > inclusionary or exclusionary manner - address any potential epigenetic > mechanisms? > > Kind regards, > > > Arthur > > On 20 April 2018 at 19:32, Sungchul Ji <s...@pharmacy.rutgers.edu> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > I am forwarding a
