[Fish-users] default shell for apps
hi, i just stumpled onto the following problem when trying to call an external program from vi: in vi i simply selected arange of lines and did: :','!sort ',' is the lines to be sorted, and sort is the command. the command that vim then actually produces is the following: fish: Command substitutions not allowedIllegal command name #(sort)# Standard input: (sort) /tmp/v744983/1 /tmp/v744983/2 now this is cearly not a bug in fish, it is arguably one in vim. and it is surely a difference of expectations, because vim assumed to have a posix shell here. and this is probably one of the reasons why everyone insists so much on posix compatibility for shells. the question for me is: how can fish handle this situation which could come up in any place where the default shell of the user is used, but is expected to be posix. should a bugreport to vim be sent? might help in the long run, but won't do any good inthe short run. can the user be educated about the problem? this error happened because fish was called from another program which most like assumed to be a posix shell. you need to fix that program and tell it not to call fish but a posix shell for this, can the calling program be detected by name? ie can fish figure out that it was called by vim and respond with the right instructions how to configure vim? at least a set of instructions for all kinds of programs might need to be assembled. should the problem be handled transparently? ie: take the failing commandline and feed it to /bin/sh and return the result more ideas? greetings, martin. -- cooperative communication with sTeam - caudium, pike, roxen and unix offering: programming, training and administration - anywhere in the world -- pike programmer travelling and working in europe open-steam.org unix system- bahai.or.atiaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at administrator (caudium|gotpike).org is.schon.org Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Fish-users mailing list Fish-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
Re: [Fish-users] default shell for apps
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:35:46AM +0200, Martin Bähr wrote: hi, i just stumpled onto the following problem when trying to call an external program from vi: the command that vim then actually produces is the following: fish: Command substitutions not allowedIllegal command name #(sort)# Standard input: (sort) /tmp/v744983/1 /tmp/v744983/2 ok, the problem appears to be that vim looks at the SHELL variable. the following works: env SHELL=/bin/bash vi filename but this works as well: env SHELL= vi filename this suggests that it might be helpful to hide the shell from certain apps. but which ones would that be? i still think that the best way would be to teach app developers that they must not expect that shells are posix compatible but should rather explicitly call a posix shell if they need one. greetings, martin. -- cooperative communication with sTeam - caudium, pike, roxen and unix offering: programming, training and administration - anywhere in the world -- pike programmer travelling and working in europe open-steam.org unix system- bahai.or.atiaeste.(tuwien.ac|or).at administrator (caudium|gotpike).org is.schon.org Martin Bähr http://www.iaeste.or.at/~mbaehr/ - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Fish-users mailing list Fish-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
Re: [Fish-users] default shell for apps
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:35:46AM +0200, Martin Bähr wrote: hi, i just stumpled onto the following problem when trying to call an external program from vi: in vi i simply selected arange of lines and did: :','!sort ',' is the lines to be sorted, and sort is the command. the command that vim then actually produces is the following: fish: Command substitutions not allowedIllegal command name #(sort)# Standard input: (sort) /tmp/v744983/1 /tmp/v744983/2 now this is cearly not a bug in fish, it is arguably one in vim. A quick and dirty solution (which I use) is to add the following to your ~/.vimrc: if $SHELL =~ 'fish' set shell=/bin/sh endif I talked with Axel about this before (I think it was off-list) and I'm pretty sure I ended up emailing Bram about it afterwards. I'll see if I can find those emails and whether or not anything more significant than my above solution came out of them. James -- GPG Key: 1024D/61326D40 2003-09-02 James Vega [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Fish-users mailing list Fish-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fish-users
