Re: evaluate, educate, cultivate
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (BRIAN C JACOBSEN) > You might include another liability free service to mare owners by directions on fotos of the mare, lineage of the mare and then match the mare to what should be the best stallion for her. With AI available I would consider this option. Jean Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Calif dispersal
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) I had been given the name of a woman in Chico Calif. who is selling her fjords to raise tennesee walkers. Theres a problem there! She has three left that she had decided to keep, then changed her mind. One is a drafty gelding whose registration she has never submitted and she does not know the dam or sire. The second is Brigitte a nine year old mare out of Oriel and Anvils Edel. There is a third fjord, a mare, but I quit about then. She said prices are low in Calif. so she is asking beteen 2 and 3 K for these fjords. She already has thirty new Tenn. Walkers. Tele is 530 589 0746 Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Solveig II, Vanya, and Sleipner
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Information Architecture) In response to the posting a couple of "lists" ago concerning Solveig II, her dam, Vanya, is, I believe, owned by Margo Saule back East. Vanya's sire, Sleipner, is our stallion, currently residing in Monmouth, Oregon. Sleipner was owned for over 14 years by the early breeder, Nona Forrester, who sold him to us, Next June, Sleipner will be 20! He is a wonderful stallion, with good bone, straight legs, lovely movement, an extremely refined head, and -- if I were to be boastful -- an unmatched temperament. In any event, he is a very sweet boy, although he does know that he's intact! His father is Dragtind, who's been recently discussed on this list, and his mother is Stina, an imported mare. Sleipner has more than 17 foals on the ground, including two stallions -- one of which is Margaret Strachan's Valbjorn, a CDE champion. If you are interested in knowing more about Sleipner, I will gladly send you a pedigree and a color xerox with some photos. E-mail me privately for this information. For those who might be interested, Sleipner is standing at Jont Creek Acres. Live cover only; we do not ship semen. Two Sleipner foals are expected next spring -- his foals seem to almost universally inherit his exquisite head and his gentle temperament. Becky Vorpagel Jont Creek Acres
RE: Welcome!, Advertising, Y2K, Recipe PETS LINK
This message is from: "Frederick J. (Fred) Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Mike and all, Hallie Sanders web sit is now http://www.fjordhorses.com/ BTW, we are still looking for the registration on our filly Hiejenta we sent in some time ago. Regards to all, Fred Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, WA USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike May Sent: Friday, November 13, 1998 5:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Welcome!, Advertising, Y2K, Recipe PETS LINK This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:23 PM 11/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >In a message dated 11/12/98 14:40:51 Pacific Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ><< Pam, who is Hallie Sanders? And where? >> Her web site is at www.plix.com/~stillmeadows == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Evaluations
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brian & Vivian: As chairman of the Evaluation Committee, I really appreciate your comments and will send them on to anyone on the committee that does not have E-Mail. (Julia Will did this for me all summer). Brian, you have made some excellent suggestions. Education is of primary concern and it is difficult when there are thousands of miles between Evaluations. For those new to the list, the Midwest Fjord Horse Club is sponsoring a clinic with Wayne Hipsley on February 6 and 7th in Galena, Illinois. If anyone is interested, please contact me privately. Gayle Ware, Anne Appleby, Brian Jenson and Wayne Hipsley will be doing another clinic this spring (I think Memorial Day Weekend). For anyone able attend, this is an excellent educational clinic. I believe the more horses evaluated, we would also have more breeders not only looking to breed the best but also get those Fjords out of the pasture and use them! There are many Fjords for sale but when in the market for one that is trained, the numbers drop dramatically. I cannot keep a trained Fjord on our farm - the market is unbelievable! We need to not only breed for conformation but take that horse and do something with it. Fjords definately stand out when competing, riding, driving with other breeds. They are noticed because they are "different", which makes it the perfect advertising to have a well trained, well mannered Fjord. We do very little advertising in magazines, ads, etc. as we have found the best advertising is getting out and showing what these Fjords are capable of. Thanks again for all the input on evaluations. Nancy
Gail Russell - Gunthar's resistance to working
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> First I would have a veterinarian examine your horse - maybe evan an equine veterinarian/chiropractor to rule out soreness, etc. I do find that Fjord's get very bored doing a lot of arena work and sour easily. Try doing your arena work, then go out for a nice trail ride to clear their mind. Even trail riding, you can "work" your horse. A good trail horse will do everything on a trail you expect of your show horse. Nancy Hotovy - from Michigan where it is a beautiful fall day AND 1st day of deer season so my horses are in the barn!
Re Bryan's excellent idea!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia. In my opinion, Bryan's multi-faceted idea to video each horse being evaluated, and make those tapes available for purchase, is a good idea. It's relatively inexpensive and can be started immediately. To sum up - Bryan suggested all horses going through the Evaluation be video taped front, back, side, walking, trotting, and the judges complete comments recorded. The final scoring would be on the tape. The tape would then be available for purchase. Viewing these tapes would educate owners and breeders and encourage quality breeding. It would educate prospective buyers, and would likely save them from serious mistakes. This is a good plan, and I'd like to see it given serious thought. There will be objections, of course, because not all horses will get equal ratings, and the information on the poorly rated horses will be just as available to the public as the good ones. This will be tough on some owners, but the bottom line is that it is a plan which is in the best interest of the breed. And it's in the interest of breeders to breed quality horses, as the time is fast running out when the buying public can be convinced that "All Fjords are alike." They're not! That notion has been bothering me for 18 years. For as long as I can remember, some "breeders" (horse multipliers - to use Wayne's phrase) have been selling mares for such a price - bred mares for another set price - same with geldings, colts, and fillies. I find this ridiculous as oftentimes, even full siblings will be of different quality, and therefore, should sell at different prices. --- Yes, I can foresee objections because Evaluations, and other contingent programs have as their raison d'etre to distinguish between poor, average, good, and excellent Fjords. That's how the system works. People who love their horses so much they can't see the faults get disappointed and hurt. Others, without the knowledge to recognize their horses are not good quality, will be disappointed and perhaps angry. --- There will be objections on these grounds. However, I would hope and pray that the NFHR will have enough backbone to do what's good for the breed, and not cave in to those who want to keep things as they are. I call this sort of thing "People Concerns vs. Fjord Concerns." I know we can't ignore the human factor entirely, but I feel the goal should always be clear - TO ALWAYS DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE BREED. Nothing is perfect, and no plan is going to satisfy everybody. But, this one has merit. As Brian explains, the simple act of videoing the Evaluations and making the tapes available for purchase has far reaching benefits, ie - to mare owners when choosing a breeding stallion. To our general education as to what's good and what's not. And Brian's point about creating an historic video archive of Fjord breeding in North America is important. This plan isn't the be-all and end-all, but I see no reason why it shouldn't be adopted. Evaluations are not private affairs. They are educational affairs. --- All Fjordhorses are not alike. All stallions are not equal. Someone on the Digest recently commented that everyone thinks his stallion is the "best stallion in the world." Well, it isn't so, and it's dangerous for the breed to promote such ideas. There are a whole lot of stallions breeding in North America that shouldn't be. They are doing serious damage to the breed. I have a sign over my desk that reads - "The breeder should always strive for perfection, but in stallions there are no excuses." That's why in 19 years of breeding and over 60 foals, we've gelded all but 4 colts. And that's why in Holland with a Fjord population of over 12,000, they have only 45 Approved Stallions. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: Fjordhorse International
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - This message is to Mike May. Mike, Would you please describe with as much detail as possible just what is - FJORDHORSE INTERNATIONAL. Also, please tell us the reasons the NFHR decided to become a member. I believe the cost was about $1300. Is that right? What is this organization, and what do we get out of it? I've heard about it, but not in detail. Thank you very much for your efforts in this regard. Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
My error
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jean gayle) The photo I am trying to identify that was sent to me is of Eugeneev?? Whose horse is this? Jean Jean Gayle --- A Subscriber at Techline
Re: Horses on TV
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:10 PM 11/7/98 -0600, you wrote: >This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For those of you who might have missed it, the History Channel is > going to run a series of programs next week about the "Warhorse". It Did anybody get the ADDRESS to order the videotape of this series? I don't have cable so wasn't able to watch it. Thanks, Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, -5 degrees this morning, sun comes up about 9:40, sets about 3:30 pm ** Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: NFHR/Dutch Evaluation?
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 04:26 PM 11/14/98 -0500, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >The last NFHR/Dutch evaluation was held in VT in 1993 as far as I know. Bob >van Bon and Joke came and evaluated horses in conformation, and IBOP (Dutch >performance tests in riding, draft and driving. Bob branded American bred >horses and entered them in the Dutch studbook. It was decided at that time by >the NFHR BOD that we would not have any more European evaluations, but would >instead work on the American evaluation program using American judges. >Something which saddened me personally, however I do not know if this still >holds true with the cureent BOD > The last NFHR sponsored one was held in Sept of 93. This end of the Dutch & Norwegian Evaluations was in conjunction with the beginning of the American Evaluation. The first American Evaluation was held in Libby MT in Sept of 1994. The NFHR BOD didn't feel that we needed to have 3 seperate and I am sure sometimes conflicting and confusing systems to have to deal with. So it was decided that the American Evaluation which is a combination of both the Dutch & Norwegian Evaluations would be the official one for the NFHR. We now only record results achieved in the NFHR's Evaluation system. On imported horses we still do record prizes they have earned before being imported. >One thing I would like to address in regards to Evaluations is the fact that >on several occassions when the evaluator (European and American) have told >people that their horses should be gelded or were not of good breed type and >should therefore not be bred, the owners of said horses were not of a similar >opinion and went to "outside experts" to overrule the evaluators judgement. >These animals were probably used for breeding anyway. America land of the >free This is one of the prices we have to pay for our freedom. Mike == Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Webster, NY, USA (Suburb of Rochester) Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
