changes

[Dave McWethy]

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>we can see changes
>even in the last 40 years, so how would they be the same for the last
4,000?
A few years ago I saw a Pryswalski  horse.  The resemblance to the Fjord is
astonishing.  They are like a crude prototype.  Most astonishing of all is
to realize that they probably have a common ancestor 20,000 years ago
(someone told me that, correct me if someone can pull up a more accurate
number), which would mean they are separated by 40,000 years.  Even if the
right numbers were 2,000 and 4,000 I would be amazed to see such remarkable
resemblance.

Re: Pinto Fjords

[Jen Timm]

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I don't have any more photos of this color - I sure wish I did!  I would love 
to find
reference photos of odd variations of color and/or markings on fjords for my 
model
painting
Jen

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> Hi Jen!
> 
> Are there more pictures of real fjords with this pattern? I'm also
> intrested in the history of the pattern...do you know where information are
> to be found?
> 
> Regards
> 
> Anneli in Sweden

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Re: Cold weather update

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 2/5/99 16:40:28 Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< There is a definite difference between -35 and -50 degrees..At -35F the
 horses will run around and play several times a day, at --50 to -55 that
 we've had they seem to save their energy and don't run as much. >>

My brain cannot even begin to fathom the cold snap you're living in.  Spring
is just around the corner, really... I'm sure it is. and in no time I'll
be jealous of your midnite sun and long lazy hours to be with your fjords!

Stay warm...somehow
Pamela

Captain Janeway

[Ingrid Ivic]

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> BTW my mother is living in Garfield Hts.  She has seen fjords in her travels
> and always reports to me how beautiful they are.  Wonder if they're yours.
>
> Pamela
>
  Hi Pamela...mine? A, how sweet of you to say!   :o)
I DO have them out in front of the house during the spring and
summer months. They love being out front, on grass, soaking up the sun
and admirers! Can't tell you how many people stop to pet them or ask
questions. Great  free advertising too, being on a well traveled road.
I'm hoping our (retiring) County Commissioner, Tim Hagan (a local
politician) will stop in one day too and possibly purchase a fjord or
two for his daughters. Mr. Hagan, who lives a block over from our farm,
has mentioned to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, that he will be shopping
for horses for his daughters.  They just recently built a barn and put
up paddocks.
He will also soon be marrying "Captain Janeway" of the star ship
Enterprise...aka... the actress, Kate Mulgrew.  I'd love an autograph
from her...being a die-hard trekkie! Guess I'll have to ride or drive
back and forth in front of their house...very slowly!  Tee-hee-hee.
Think that'll go over big? ...No...didn't think so! Oh well, so much for
celebrity!
Ingrid...in mudfilled Ohio

Cold weather update

[Jean Ernest]

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Flooding in Southern California, mud, rain and wind in Washington State,
High winds in Colorado, Ice in Minnesota!  And all I have is a little bit
of cold weather to complain about!

I'm hoping that we're headed out of the worst of it..was -55F below here
this morning, -60 some places around town,but supposed to warm up to a
balmy -30 tonight!
 My Fjords are doing fine.  Not running around and playing much, tho,
maining eating and dozing.  I fed Hay last night at 11 PM (After watching
ER) , then got up and fed another big pile at 4:00AM.  At 7 AM they were
looking for more, so put a bunch more out.  Forget about how many bales,
just keep them eating!  I normally give them a little grain (Oats and Calf
Manna and vitamins) in the evening, but this morning Bjorken was looking
for something besides hay so I brought out a bucket of the local oats
(which have a lot of empty husks, etc.) and fed them all little piles of
oats. Probably less than a lb a piece, but it seemed to satisfy their need
for something extra.  Meanwhile they get apples and carrots cut into pieces
later in the day.

I was surprized to look out last night before I went to bed to see Bjarne
laying down on the snow.  I was worried but he got up after about 20
minutes, stretched and shook the frost out of his fur and went back to
eating.  Later I noticed all four have been laying down, regardless of the
cold. Their fur is soo thick it insulates them from the cold on the ground.
I feel guilty for not providing them a thick bed of shavings under their
roof, but that quickly turned into ice/shavings pavement when the mares
peed in it, so have been saving the shavings in case one has to be put in
the stall.

There is a definite difference between -35 and -50 degrees..At -35F the
horses will run around and play several times a day, at --50 to -55 that
we've had they seem to save their energy and don't run as much.

My friend's Fjord that had the impaction colic is doing OK last I heard,
the vet was keeping him for a few day.  Turns out that he DID have a
history in his vet records provided by Jerry Friz, of colic, perhaps
connected with the fact he'd been rescued from a starving abuse situation.
Mary, you were right on.

Regarding the story about the blood worms and the worm infested horse farm,
I would think it might be wise to put them on the Daiy Strongid wormer
after worming with Ivermectin and keep them on the daiy wormer to avoid
them picking up a heavy infestation.  What do you think Brian? 

I have not gone to town in this cold weather since Monday, as every time I
check out the conditions downtown via the "Artic Cam" the ice fog looks
thicker than ever.  It was nice and sunny out here yesterday, even at -45F.
 I spent a lot of time learning to use my Adobe Photoshop software and
scanning pictures.  Thank goodness for this computer!  And for the e-mail
and all
you people on the list! 

Jean and Four Fuzzy Frosty Fat Fjords in Frigid Fairbanks, Alaska, -45
degrees, up from -55F this morning.  

Jean Ernest
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Blood worms

[Mary Thurman]

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Hi All,

While we are on the subject of icky things - bots, etc. - let's not
forget those sneaky little buggers the bloodworms.  Just received a
post from a friend who has a Fjordhorse she bought from us.  They use
him to help run their market farm, so he is rather idle this time of
year.  Their farm is a former horse farm, if you could have called it
that - 48 starving horses housed in mounds of manure and weedy
"pastures" on 4 acres of ground!!  After all the court proceedings
were handled, the land was put up for sale - so my friend bought it. 
Must say it grows beautiful produce - all that nice black soil (well
fertilized for years).  However, none of us thought of the danger to
the Fjord from parasites - not even her vet (who is kicking himself). 
They have followed a regular quarterly worming program for the past
two years.  That should be adequate since there is only one horse. 
None of us thought about bloodworm larvae/eggs (whichever) living in
the soil for years, which I now understand they do - at least in our
area.  Last November Finn, the Fjordhorse, went off his feed rather
suddenly - really strange for him.  It took two weeks (and a stool
sample) to figure out the problem.  He was VERY positive for
bloodworms.  He has been treated correctly for them and is back to his
old self.  However, this could have been a tragedy for a horse that
was not "visited with" daily by his owner.  How many of us just throw
out the hay and go about our business not paying attention to who is
really eating and who is not?  Probably fewer Fjord owners do this
than owners in the general horse population, but there is still the
potential out there.  If the history of your farm includes
overpopulation with horses in the past, watch out for those pesty
parasites!!


Mary, in wet windy Washington.

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Re: 2 pr. list

[Mary Thurman]

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Thank you, Mike, for printing the list of 1pr and 2pr horses here in
the US.  I have kept it in my Fjord file.  Looks like an impressive
list, so far.

Mary



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Re: Auction results, Lurker with us ! and Chat reminder

[Pedfjords]

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Hello everyone from rainy and cool So. Calif. !  Our auction last week did
not have the type of vehicle that we were looking for.so, we are still on
the hunt.  :  (  

   We are being sent pics. of a Bird-In-Hand Flyer, that is for sale in
Northern Calif. and looks exactly like what we want, so keep your fingers
crossed. We have water in our streets, as So. Calif. is not set up for its 10
days or so of rain it gets every year, so you can consider us flooded out !
Makes for some fun training for water obsticals though, although my pens are
ankle deep in muck. I have nothing to really complain about, when I hear about
some of you with the deep freeze, and do thank my lucky stars for our mild,
normally warm winters. 

   We have a " Lurker " here.her name is Ann, and she is from BC Canada. I
" met " her through a Draft List that Ive been lurking on, and she has Fjords.
She is training to use them to show in pulling contests, with the Drafts, and
wanting to drive also !  She has been forwarded some copies of our Digest ,
and I thought that if we could give her a nice welcome, she may subscribe  !!
 Sooo,  HI  ANN !!!

  It was nice to see Shirley Anderson post on this list, as I met her at Libby
show in '97, and ended up buying a beautiful filly from her.  " Oscar's Sweet
Korina " is everything we had hoped for, and has blossemed into a tall elegant
filly, now just 2. I have high hopes for Korina, for a driving horse, and we
are just letting her grow up !  Shirley has a beautiful place up in Idaho, and
if you get a chance, do stop by for that cup of coffee she offered, and take a
look at her gorgious Stallion and herd of Fjords ! 

   I want to thank everyone who stopped by the Fjord Chat last Sun. Wasnt sure
how many " Super Bowl " partys would end in time , and was surprised to have a
rather full house, with some new faces to boot !  Welcome Julie Will to the
Fjord Chat !  Hope you make it a regular visit !   Showing up for chat were, 

Jiminy
PAV Aussie ( Jackie ) 
Julie Will
Betsy ( Bauer )
BKFjords ( Bernadine ) 
DBLDAYFARM ( Lou )
Fred Pack ( and Lois )
and mePAV FJORDS ( Lisa )

Hope to see some of you and new faces this and every Sun. at PetsandVets,
Horse room # 1, 9:00 Eastern Time. Here is a link for you all to get
there'puter has to be Java Compatable to access. 







 http://www.petsandvets.com/";>PETS AND VETS  
http://volano1.suresite.com/petsvets/vcclient/horsechat.html";>HORSE
CHAT ROOM   These rooms are open 24 hours for you to use for
conversation.sure has saved me on phone bills to pre-arrange talking times
!   PetsandVets is involved in some exciting things, including LIVE coverage
of the Westminister Dog Show !  Check it out, dog lovers !   

   Take Care everyone, have fun at the Midwest Fjord Club meeting.and see
you on Sun. !   Lisa Pedersen  PAV FJORDS  PSdont forget to Welcome
Ann ! 

hi Ceacy

[Ursula Jensen]

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Have been waiting for you to surface Ceacy so I could give you an update on
the Freya/Konggard daughter Rayetta (grandaughter of  Brusvein) and
Velsigne/Konggard son Raynor (grandson of Myrstein). Both are thriving and
going well. They are both three years old now and will start their breeding
season this year. Rayetta is beautiful and extremely feminine, has a very
independent but fiendly nature. She will be bred to our Samstein this
spring.We have not put alot of time into her training but hope to get her
driving this summer.

 Raynor scored well(red)at the Oregon evaluation as a two year oldcan't
really expect too much more at that age.He scored 9 on his movement at a
walk and trot. He truly floats and once his gaits are developed a bit more
we will try a trotting test, Carol...he'd prefer to do a full out trotting
test each time he gets harnessed but I'm too 'frigile' for those tricks. He
is a bit 'thick' at times (wants to do things 'his' way)but very loving and
forgiving. Loves to work and have lots of attention. He already has a
booking for a breeding to Kathy Rollins'  Gjest daughter Agneta this spring
and will also breed our mare Heia (Gromar/Hazel. 

The history behind how those two babies (Raynor & Rayetta)came to us is
quite interesting because I was literally 'out to lunch on drugs' when we
bought them. Let me explain. I had been run over by Brian's Duel Truck just
1 week before the Libby show 3yrs ago. I was badly bruised , very lucky to
be alive & in a lot of pain ...hence the drugs. Brian and I were due to do a
little driving clinic there and all our plans were set so we hired a
groom/driver and I made a bed in the back of my Jimmy and off we drove the
11 hrs to Libby. Ann Appleby was there also to do a demo with Wez and drive
Misha in some of the classes. The Giargiari's were there with Hilmar and
they had brought these two cute little babies from Penfrydd FarmThey
were so bonded and had travelled so well & so very far that everyone was
drawn to them. Before the weekend was over Brian and Anne had decided to buy
Rayetta which left Raynor to make the long trip back by himself. Well, the
ole heartstrings started to pull and my poor drug-induced mind went all
mushy..also my mother instincts kicked in and I just could not see that poor
baby going all the way back to Mass. without his sister. A few calls were
made and I had myself a young stallion out of Konggard whom I've always
liked. Of course we needed another stallion on the place like a whole in the
head (our herd is very small) but I justified it by thinking we could always
geld him. It's been a fun road to get this young man to where he is today
and has certainly been a challenge for me to handle a stallion thru the
terrible two'sHow often did he hear me say'Hand me the knife...' but to
this day he's intact and doing very well. He seems a bit slow to mature but
have been told that Konggard took his time too and to wait it out. I'm going
to CDE with him as my Millenium project and take him to my first Novice
Event in 2000. This summer he will get a lot of driving under his belt.
Brian gave me a harness for Christmas and it will be a well-used harness
before too longthat boy is going to drive his little behind all over
this valley come spring.

Just wanted to re-assure you, Ceacy that your babies are doing fine and
maturing  into very nice Fjords. 

Ursula 
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RE: motherly love

[Poirier, Jeanne L]

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GREAT story, Gene !  Teal is very lucky to have an owner like you.  Good
luck with her new foal in the spring.

Jeanne
-Berthoud, CO


> This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> A story for all:
> 
> 

Re: Bearbells

[Jean Gayle]

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Hi Misha, I too met a bear one dark night sitting on my bank about 10 feet
from me.  I screamed bloody murder and it just looked at me.  I knew it had
my future in its hands, excuse, paws.  I slowly backed up and then ran about
twenty feet to my house, got my mauser rifle and fired it.  No noise of a
bear running into the brush.  By morning the critter was gone and I have not
seen him since.  Same thing happened to my neighbor and all the screaming
didnot do a thing.

Black bears are more dangerous than grizzly as they eat freash meat, us.
Only a few are interested in eating man, but with our luck  Directions
from the forestry dept are, make yourself look bigger ie flap your coat or
jacket, do notdo not..look into a bears eyes that is an aggressive act
to them,  last resort is hit their nose with a heavy stick or object.  and
of course never come between any wild animal and their young.
Jean Gayle Aberdeen, Wa.
-Original Message-
From: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 7:00 PM
Subject: Bearbells


>This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Loved the 'joke' about the bear dung. Could always use a little humor. We
>have a resident black bear here that terrorizes me and the horses. I
>sometimes take in raptors for Fish and Game and so asked them to look into
>our little bear problem. They said, "Misha, just go on up there in the
>trees tonight with a flashlight and yell at him--he'll run off." I said,
>"Are we talking about the same animal because the one I mean has big nasty
>teeth and claws and weighs about 300 pounds." Lots of scat but no
>flashlights in it. Misha
>

motherly love

[Bushnell's]

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A story for all:

Each day begins the same. I walk up to the barn after breakfast, wade
through 13 sleepy-faced horses. All but three of them are Fjords. I break
the bales and scatter the hay so they can all eat in peace. Later on all
but two of them wander off to forage frozen pasture and anything else they
can sink their teeth into. (like my son's windshield wiper blades :o)

One of the two who remain by the barn is our favorite Fjord, Quad-L's Teal,
(daughter of Dustin). Teal doesn't wander around a lot because of an
accident early in her life that crippled her; a pulled stifle muscle. This
hasn't prevented her from being an excellent brood mare. She has had
several foals, her last being Bushwhacker's Honi and she truly is "A
Honey!" (sired by Quad-L's Rusten). Teal is carrying another foal by him
now to be born in the late spring.

She is a wonderful mother! Her nurturing instincts know no boundaries; for
the other horse who remains by her side throughout the day is a weanling
foal that is not her own. They are inseparable. While the foals' real
mother is busy wandering around with the other fillies and geldings, Teal
is being a foster mother to her charge. I suppose this is not so unusual
but we find it amusing. We call them the "odd couple" because it looks odd
to see Teal mothering our Arabian mare's dark brown colt.

Thanks to Chip Lamb, of Quad-L Fjords, for not listening to those who
recommended that Teal be put down when her accident first occurred. She is
not only a great looking animal, she is also a great horse.

Gene Bushnell, Bushwhacker Fjords
Northwestern Montana

Re: 2 pr. stallion list

[Mike May, Registrar NFHR]

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At 07:40 AM 2/5/99 -0800, you wrote:
>This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>
>Mike,
>
>Thanks for the list.  Although we do not own a stallion, we did use
>one of the 2pr. stallions, Rusten, to breed to our 2pr. imported mare,
>Line.  The results were beautiful.  I'm curious.  I assume that there
>are many more 2pr. mares in the registry than there are stallions,
>since there are more mares than stallions.  Can you get us a number on
>how many?  Is there any way to know which of these acquired their 2pr.
>in Norway before being imported or received their 2pr. from a
>Norwegian judging here in the US?  While we're on the subject - how
>many 1pr. stallions do we have this side of the Atlantic?  How about
>mares?  I've always been curious about this.

Ok here are all of the 1.pr & 2.pr horses we have and where they got the
premium if we knew when the entry was made.

PremName NorwegianDutch

1.pr ASHILD  N-140891.pr VT 90
   
1.pr 1.avkGRABB  N-1651
  
1.premie  MVF FREDELIG1st
premie MA 92   
1.premie  ENHJORD  H-E31
1st premie NH 91   
1.premie  VELSIGNE
  1st premie MA 92   
1.premie  CINDY  H-C33
  1st premie NH 91   
1.premie  DEBORA  H-D135
  
1.premie II kl.   GEMMA  H-G262
 1st premie II kl. MA 92
1.premie ModelSONORA  N-14912  H-I1962   1st
premie/model NH 91 
1.premie modelTECHLA  2085-B  H-I19642.pr VT 91 1st
premie/model NH 91 
2.pr  CZAR 2.pr
  
2.pr  EDE2.pr NY 91

2.pr  AASA  N-13821
  
2.pr  VESLA I  N-142443.pr Norway, 2.pr NY 
91

2.pr  QUAD-L'S TRIXIE  C-92 2.pr MT 91
   
2.pr  LIN  N-14521
  
2.pr  SILJA  N-14519  C-368  2.pr Norway
   
2.pr  BETINA  N-13928  C-111
  
2.pr  HEIDI  N-14150
  
2.pr  MIRA  N-14149
  
2.pr  SIRI I  N-14151
  
2.pr  VILJA  N-13924
  
2.pr  SIGNE MAI  2.pr VT 90

2.pr  LINE  N-13475  C-108  2.pr Norway, 2.pr MT 91
   
2.pr  DIANA  H-D214 2.pr VT 90

2.pr  FROYA  N-14003
  
2.pr  FREYA I  H-F290   2.pr VT 912nd
premie NH 91   
2.pr  VESLE BLAKKA  N-14923 2.pr NY 91
 
2.pr  HELLA  2117-B 2.pr VT 90

2.pr  MVF PRINCESSA  2.pr NY 91
   
2.pr  PERLE  C-382  2.pr MT 91

2.pr  MVF NESHILD  N-14922   2.pr NY 91
   
2.pr  MVF MYRA  N-14916  2.pr VT 91
   
2.pr  MVF SARA  N-14929  2.pr NY 91
   
2.pr  MVF VIOLA  N-149362.pr NY 91
   
2.pr  BRAGDA2.pr

2.pr  EGGEPRINS  N-1894  C-303   2.pr VT 90
  
2.p

Re: clearing trails...

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 2/5/99 6:48:42 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

<>

Oh I don't blame them.  I remember summers when I visited Ohio, and my one
full year there sleeping on a linoleum floor, with fans blowing and doors
open.  Just so darned hot.  Then those thunderstorms!!!

BTW my mother is living in Garfield Hts.  She has seen fjords in her travels
and always reports to me how beautiful they are.  Wonder if they're yours.

Pamela

2 pr. stallion list

[Mary Thurman]

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---"Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Yes I am still here.  Here are the 2.pr holding Stallions here in
the US.
> 
> EGGEPRINS  N-1894  C-303  N-T-028-S   2.pr
>
> ANVIL'S TORBJORN  C-98AA-V-030-S  2.pr, G3
>
> RUSTEN  C-61  MCD-O-047-S 2.pr, G4
>
> SOLAR  N-1849  H-I40  N-Q-103-S   2.pr,  
> prestatie, V
> 
> MONTANO  N-1958  H-I59N-W-122-S   2.pr
>
> RAMS LINDEMANN  N-912799   N-E-868-S  2.pr
 
Mike,

Thanks for the list.  Although we do not own a stallion, we did use
one of the 2pr. stallions, Rusten, to breed to our 2pr. imported mare,
Line.  The results were beautiful.  I'm curious.  I assume that there
are many more 2pr. mares in the registry than there are stallions,
since there are more mares than stallions.  Can you get us a number on
how many?  Is there any way to know which of these acquired their 2pr.
in Norway before being imported or received their 2pr. from a
Norwegian judging here in the US?  While we're on the subject - how
many 1pr. stallions do we have this side of the Atlantic?  How about
mares?  I've always been curious about this.

Thanks.

Mary
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Re: Freya

[Mike May]

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At 09:25 AM 2/5/99 -0500, you wrote:
>This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>In a message dated 2/5/99 5:14:26 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>writes:
>
><< Well how about this?   Not sure how easy it is going to be to read but here
>is
> a cut-n-paste from the data I have. >>
>
>Thanks Mike. It was easy to read.  But hard to believe.  Out of all the fjords
>in the States, there are only 6 offspring of this stallion who looks to me to
>be perfection??   They don't give much information on Brusvein in the van Bon
>book.  Well, they do mention his accomplishments, but don't give details as to
>his age, where he currently is, etc.  Any way to track this down?
>

Well some of the people that have been to Holland may know more about him.
Hopefully someone else will have that info for you.   Maybe Carol R. knows
more about him.

clearing trails...

[Ingrid Ivic]

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> So you take your fjord on these work parties?  I can imagine that winter in
> the greater Cleveland area is just what these horses would love.
>
Hi Pamela,No, unfortunately the work groups don't bring their
horses to clear trails...it's all shovels and backhoes then! Quite a few
of these trails are just overgrown or have erroded...sometimes it's a
matter of picking up trash and old tires.
Yes, the fjordies do love the winters here! It's the summers they
dose away.
Bye for now...   :o)   Ingrid

Re: Freya

[Northhorse]

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In a message dated 2/5/99 5:14:26 Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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<< Well how about this?   Not sure how easy it is going to be to read but here
is
 a cut-n-paste from the data I have. >>

Thanks Mike. It was easy to read.  But hard to believe.  Out of all the fjords
in the States, there are only 6 offspring of this stallion who looks to me to
be perfection??   They don't give much information on Brusvein in the van Bon
book.  Well, they do mention his accomplishments, but don't give details as to
his age, where he currently is, etc.  Any way to track this down?

Pamela

Re: Freya

[Lori Albrough]

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> Hi Lori, I am quite sure Freya got her wonderful personality, her excellent
> mothering skills, and her calm and willing work ethic, not to mention her
> good looks from her mother Cindy, which as I recall you own! Correct?  

I do, and couldn't resist waving her flag a bit! We think she's
wonderful, my husband rides her everywhere, she's been teaching me to
drive, she gave us a beautiful filly this spring (by Gjest) who is the
apple of my eye, oh and she's to be bred to Solar this spring if anyone
is interested :-) 

Lori

Re: Norwegian trot test

[Mike May, Registrar NFHR]

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At 08:03 AM 2/5/99 +, you wrote:
>This message is from: Lindsay&Jim Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Dave are you there?  but of course I do know Solar's time for the kilometer
>was 2:26 with "Good Trot" in the comment box, this portion of the test
>along with the driving/draft test and further inspection in hand for
>conformation and movement lead Solar to an upgraded prize making Solar one
>of the very few Norwegian 2nd Prize rated stallions in North America. (Are
>there others and who are they, Mike?)  

Yes I am still here.  Here are the 2.pr holding Stallions here in the US.

EGGEPRINS  N-1894  C-303N-T-028-S   2.pr
   
ANVIL'S TORBJORN  C-98  AA-V-030-S  2.pr, G3
   
RUSTEN  C-61MCD-O-047-S 2.pr, G4
   
SOLAR  N-1849  H-I40N-Q-103-S   2.pr,  
prestatie, V

MONTANO  N-1958  H-I59  N-W-122-S   2.pr
   
RAMS LINDEMANN  N-912799 N-E-868-S  2.pr
   


Mike


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Re: Freya

[Mike May]

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At 12:01 AM 2/5/99 -0400, you wrote:
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>I would be interested to know if there are other Brusvein offspring in the
>US.
>I suspect Carol Rivoire might know some. Does anyone know of any and where
>they might be?
>
Well how about this?   Not sure how easy it is going to be to read but here is
a cut-n-paste from the data I have.



ELDA H-E157, H-X-166-M   MARTHA QUINLAN, LUDLOW VT
FREYA I H-F290, H-Y-279-M   THOM & CEACY GRIFFIN, COLRAIN MA
MRF FENSALIR, H-Y-066-SG  ROBIN WENGER, MYERSTOWN PA
ISVANPHILIN H-I61, H-B-388-G   MARILYN M. ROCKEFELLER, CAMDEN ME
HOSTAR H-H16, H-A-231-S   LAURA & CRAIG WICH, THETFORD CENTER VT
RAISSA H-960601, H-J-1175-M  ANTON & CAROL VOORHOEVE, 
SALT SPRING ISLAND, BC

Re: FW: THE NORTH AMERICAN GJEST CHALLENGE -

[Lindsay&Jim Sweeney]

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At 06:35 PM 2/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
>This message is from: "Poirier, Jeanne L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Carol,
>> 

>> How is Toril?  I've got to tell you, she is the only mare which has won my
>> eye, ONLY FROM PICTURES !!!  If she is ever for sale, I would very much
>> like to know.  
>> 
>> Hope all is well with you.  
>> 
>> Jeanne
>> -Berthoud, CO - where the wind was AWFUL last night :-(
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Jeanne, 
Well you certainly have superb taste in Fjord Horse mares!  I also have
admired Toril ever since Carol imported her from Holland.  Toril is a
daughter of Solar and a very typical one at that, you know the type beauty,
brains and just enough brawn thrown in to make for some serious fun!
Carol's book has some nice pictures of Toril and her half brothers and
sisters also sired by Solar.  Checkout pictures of Toril, Maggitul,
Heather, Villrose, Holly's offspring, BDF Magnum and BDF Liv, check out
Donar jumping! Like father like son. There is a picture of Solar winning
the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Get of Sire Class for the seventh
time!!, that was 1997 Solar also earned this honor in 1998 making it an
unprecedented eight Get of Sire titles, the pretty mare who Carol did not
think that she knew is in fact a mare from BDF breeding. (You know a good
one when you see one Carol and I thought you'd be pleased to know that that
mare is SF Rahnhilde by none other than Torolf out of Yvonda!  The colt by
her side is by Solar and stood in second place of the record breaking
weanling class at last year's Woodstock Fjord Horse Show, 17 entries!
Hilde's owners were thrilled to be included and now you know who they are!)
I would have given page #s but the photo sections aren't numbered.
P.S. Jeanne, I just happen to know where there may be some related
offspring that are like Toril, so if Carol never gives in to selling Toril,
(and you are not the first, nor do I suspect the last, to inquire about
purchasing this mare!) then contact me and I'll clue you in!

Do you live in Louisville Kentucky by any chance?  If so, have you
experienced Equitana USA.  Soon I will post about Equitana USA 1999.  Check
out their web site for information and a picture of the mare and foal that
pulled the stoneboat in our versatility drill team and in last year's Mane
Event.  There is a link on the NFHR Home Page.  More to come about this
exciting promotional project.

Thanks for posting and I look forward to getting to know you all better,
bye for now, Lindsay Sweeney
Vestlandgard
Tunbridge, VT o5o77
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   
(802)889-3735
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Norwegian trot test

[Lindsay&Jim Sweeney]

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Dear List, wow!  I never would have guessed how much fun this virtual fjord
stuff could be especially when you live in Vermont with conditions such as
to make riding, driving, or even skiing trecherous, not enough snow and too
much mixed precipitation.  Yuck!! Good weather for surfing the web we've
discovered.

I wanted to get in on the recent topic of the Norwegian Trotting test.  I
have seen this test first hand on two occasions while in Norway.  And I
have been fortunate enough to actually participate in the Norwegian
Certification that took place in North America in September of 1990.  I
drove Solar and Lindemann for their testsing and each had "working trots
that passed the test"!  I can't remember what Lindemann's time was, Pam and
Dave are you there?  but of course I do know Solar's time for the kilometer
was 2:26 with "Good Trot" in the comment box, this portion of the test
along with the driving/draft test and further inspection in hand for
conformation and movement lead Solar to an upgraded prize making Solar one
of the very few Norwegian 2nd Prize rated stallions in North America. (Are
there others and who are they, Mike?)  Since I was driving in an absolute
downpour I knew if conditions were right, safe, Solar and Lindemann could
have cut quite a few seconds off their times.  Of course Carol R. is
absolutely right when she points out that the purpose of this section of
the test for stallions in Norway provides them with a great way for the
panel to assess the QUALITY of the trot, and while it is amazing that Gjest
could show such a "fast" time and with such style, grace and ease (I have
always been told by the experts from Europe, that one of Gjest's strong
points is his length of stride, and power, at the trot! sounds like holding
the speed record in Norway is just more icing on the cake)  I witnessed the
Marnix "miracle Km" and have many times been on the back of Jim's marathon
vehicle headed up yet another mountain in Vermont during a Combined Driving
Event, in August even!, and recording similar times with our pair of mares,
a single mare and a stallion single, consistently no problem!  So all you
very proud owners out there are probably right!  Your Fjord, if it is of
quality, will be capable of similar feats of athleticism if they are
trained in the classical priciples.  Part of this magic is that when these
Fjords are fit, properly trained and are correct of type, conformation,
movement, and have that all important ingredient...Fjord Horse character!
they are a complete and utter joy to compete.  

Anyone on the list who would like the information that the NFHR gathered on
the 1996 Judges Training Seminar in Norway may contact me for copies of the
educational handouts that were supplied by the Norwegian Registry.  Also
there were articles in the Fjord Herald detailing the testing structure.
(check out the Summer '96 and Fall '96 issues) Definitely anyone lucky
enough to be going to Norway will learn an unbelievable amount about the
goals of the current breeding plan in Norway.  I have info that would
interest most of you and maybe someone will come up with a good way that I
can share it with you all on this list. Also Carol hit on a great topic of
the trotting classes in Holland, any video of these available?  I also
noticed in the latest issue of the Dutch Registry magazine there were some
incredible movers in the top rated group of mares and to my delight these
mares were uncomparably typey!!  Large chests and bone and hooves and
hindends that don't quit and not too tall or too leggy or too long and thin
in the neck, no siree! these mares are the ultimate, any way can we get
some of those pictures scanned onto this list or the NFHR web site or do
they post them on the Dutch Web site?  In any case all of you who want to
understand what a good fjord Horse is and would like to develope your eye
for type will get a jump on the learning curve by signing up to receive the
Dutch and Norwegian Magazines, Bob Van Bon's books and Arve Baakens newest
edition of Fjordhesten, this is the one that will by printed in English
with extra photos of Fjords from North America.  There is ordering info on
each respective web site or contact Julie Will or Catherine Lassessen as
they can help you get the books.

Also I was thinking that we could all work together to create a list of
the most asked questions and that list could be presented by the NFHR
representative at this year's Norwegian Fjord Horse Seminar for official
response!. Last year the BOD of NFHR did this as wellas the breed Standard
Committee and it proved a very effective way to get accurate answers. Julie
Will acts as the List contact with the BOD of NFHR so we could organize
with her...What do you think?

I better sign off before you all start looking for the trash can button!
Thanks for sharing and listening, Lindsay Sweeney
Vestlandgard
  

Re: Freya

[Reinbowend]

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Yes Pam I have two wonderful Konggard/Freya daughters. Nykka was CH mare at
Woodstock this year also Res Jr. Champion and Res Ch Ridden Dressage. My 13
year old daughter rode her. This year she's planning on eventing her as Nykka
is a lovely jumper as well. Oksana will start her ridden dressage career this
summer at a few local shows. Both are blonde bomb shells favouring their sire
in looks. Eventually they will be my next pair. I guess I'll have to buy
another Konggard/Freya daughter as a spare. Ha Ha!   
Ceacy you never answered my private post. I'd be interested in hearing what
you think.
 Vivian

Re: roaching manes

[Anneli Sundkvist]

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Marsha Jo Hannah  wrote:

>>I recall reading somewhere that Fjords were not "war horses".  The
vikings rode them to the vicinity of where they'd have to fight, then
dismounted, left the horses safely off to the side (grazing, no doubt!),
and fought on foot.  Fjords were used for transportation to the battle, and
(probably) for packing loot home.>>

So far, we don't know if different types/breeds of horses were used for
different purposes in prehistoric Scandinavia. And, as Becky pointed out,
we don't know if the breeds we have today existed in prehistoric societies
as we recognize these breeds. What is interesting is that we now have a
chance to find this out, since it is now possible to gain DNA from ancient
bones. But to make a study on the horse breeds/types in Iron Age
Scandinavia in comparison with modern breeds, would be a lot of work and a
lot of money would be needed. But it is possible.

I worked with people who are making DNA-tests on Iron Age horses from
Sweden, and so far they have found several different types. One of them
show relations to several modern breeds from north western Europe - Fjord,
Icelandic horse, Exmoor pony, Shetland pony, ArdennesMabye this type of
horse was spread all over north-west Europe c. 1500-1000 years ago and have
then been 'made' into the present breeds by man and the environment. 

I'm dying to let somebody do DNA-tests on the horse bone materials from the
famous Oseberg ship burial (9th century), but so far I haven't figured out
how to fit in this material in my own work, but I guess I'll think of
something:o)

I belive that all talk about 'war horses' have two reasons:

- Many depicted horses from the Viking Period is ridden by a warrior with
sword etc.

- Many graves with horses in them are also rich in weapons, which has led
scholars to interpret these graves as warrior's graves and the horses as
war horses. 

Regards from Anneli in Sweden

RE: The North American Gjest Challenge

[Werner, Kristine]

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Yeah, that sounds right, kid.

> -Original Message-
> From: saskia schoofs [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 1999 16:32
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
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> This message is from: "saskia schoofs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> following my dictionary, a mile is 1.609 KM
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> Saskia
>
> --
> >From: "Werner, Kristine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Re:  Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
> >Date: don, 4 feb 1999 14:41
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> > This message is from: "Werner, Kristine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Check that - I am sure that the mile is even greater than 1.2 KM.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Donnerstag, 4. Februar 1999 14:22
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Subject: RE: Re:  Re: The North American Gjest Challenge
> >>
> >> This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> At 08:15 AM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >This message is from: "Werner, Kristine"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >> >A mile is a greater distance than a kilometer. 1 Mile equals roughly 2
> >> >Kilometers.
> >> >If the pacer trots the mile in 1.41, then he/she trots approximately 2
> KM
> >> at
> >> >that speed as well -
> >> >the Standardbred needs about 1.48. At least that is how I understood
> it
> >> :o)
> >> >
> >>
> >> Well that is a close approximation.  There are actually 1.2 km per
> mile.
> >> When they are measuring in hundredths of a minute I think the .2 is
> pretty
> >> important.
> >>
> >>
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> >> Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry
> >> Mike May, Registrar
> >> Voice 716-872-4114
> >> FAX 716-787-0497
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