Re: Re: Fw: Canola Oil Please Read
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Bill for an informed educational slant to this Canola Oil controversy. Just goes to show the power of the internet. Can be a good thing and then as we have both experienced can be not so..I'm glad I did not rush to purge the pantry of Canola, but I cook with Olive Oil generally speaking. Just a matter of time before that too is linked with some horrific malady "Greek Party Distress" which is when the mere sight of Feta cheese or calamari leads to an uncontrollable urge to drink Uzo leading to dancing on tables and smashing glasses. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. Oh No! Could this be the first warning sign. All the Best Vivian
Re: A New Colt!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Many congratulations on your new boy! I do wish you had been closer, so you could see him right away - please let us know his name, when he gets one. Jan
first time
This message is from: Grace Deboodt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello! My name is Grace Deboodt, (pronounced D-boot :) ). My husband, Tim and I have three Fjord mares and we live in Prineville, Oregon. (Almost the center of Oregon on the map.) This is my first mailing to this list, but by far not my first reading of it. We have enjoyed it since it began. When Tim and I were dating (100 years ago) we discussed the fact of "someday" raising draft horses. Tim's grandfather had worked with them in Nebraska. We were married in 1982 and discovered Fjords in 1983 when Tim was at the Wyoming State Fair. ( I was home, VERY pregnant with our first child!) There were some Fjords on displayI think from Nancy's Fjords, if I'm not mistaken. Tim brought home pictures of a funny looking horse! A Fjord of course and we were hooked! However, all we could afford at that time was a subscription to the Fjord Herald. Well, twelve years and three children later, Tim and I bought our first filly, Sonja Mai, as a sixth month old weanling. (Tim was beaming...I was crying.twelve years is a long time! :) Sonja is now four years old. We love her dearly. Tim and I thought how lucky we were to have one Fjord and never thought we'd be able to get another one. However, we would visit annually with the breeders we bought her from, and low and behold, they contacted us last summer and had decided to sell their mares and their stallion. We couldn't pass them up! We did not keep the stallion, but sold him to some wonderful folks, the Evers, in the nearby town of Redmond, Or. We did not have a place or the experience to keep a stallion, even though Bjorn is about as mellow as they come. Our two new girls, Kiana and Anja, (originally from the Weavers at Two Rivers Fjordhest, ID) are visiting Bjorn as we speak for hopeful Spring 2000 babies! Hold on to your dreamsthey do come true! Hello to all the breeders we visited in the last 14 years. You may not remember us, but we remember you! : Steven Spengler, Hood River, OR; Anne Appleby, Olympia, WA; Nona Forester, OR; the Raum's, Placerville, CA; and the Bishops in Ennis, MT. Thank you all for letting us learn from you over the years. If you are ever in central Oregon please stop by! :)
A New Colt!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone! Just received a call from the people watching two of our Fjords and our new farm until we get up to MI, and the mare (who was due the end of May) foaled very early today!! She had a beautiful little colt. They have told us both Renate and her new babe are doing great. The vet just called to let me know what was going on, and said the colt was doing very well, but had a slight gap in his abdominal wall, which the vet said was pretty normal. He also said Renate was being very passive, and not too concerned with who approached her new baby, which I thought was kind of odd. He is going back out to the farm tomorrow to recheck the colt's stomach and to do the colsustrum test. We have not even thought of a name for the little guy yet, so we will be busily scouring the choices tonight. :) This is quite exciting.our first foal, although we were really looking forward to being there ourselves for this wonderful event. I am very happy he and mom are doing well, and cannot wait to see them. Lynda, 10 days left to the move!
Re: Fw: Canola Oil Please Read
This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi: I'm glad that you passed that post on to your nutritionist friend. As to references, as you can see, the post didn't come with any ... I do think it is worth investigating rather than throwing it away. What oils one may ingest in natural foods is quite different from ingesting refined quantities of those same elements, and it at least bears looking into. Personally, I don't know one way or the other. I do know that fats and refined oils have shortened the lives of a lot of people both in this country and in others that have taken to the American diet. There are also people living high in the mountains in some places of the world who eat no refined foods of any kind, and live to be well over one-hundred years, so the whole matter is worth some consideration. I too have added oil to horse's feed to help them gain weight and strength, but one has to admit, in nature the horse would never find the opportunity to ingest fats in that degree. I just passed it along for you to all consider and am glad there is someone who can give some feedback on it. And even then, one person's opinion wouldn't be good enough for me. I am a living example of what can happen even under the direction of an MD - perhaps permanently crippled from damage done to nerves in my feet and legs (and liver and pancreas) by a high blood pressure medication that literally millions can take with no problems. It will be interesting to see what the nutritionist has to say. Best regards, Bonnie Hendricks Gallery Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html http://www.hendricksgallery.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 7:39 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Canola Oil Please Read This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I am not a nutritionist, I have taken the liberty of forwarding the message about canola oil to a colleague who is, for her response. However, there are a few things about this post (including the lack of cited references supporting statements made) that raise accuracy questions in my mind, so I'll add my two cents to the mix (drawn from various references I can provide upon request). For (snipped)
Re: Fw: Canola Oil Please Read
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Because I am not a nutritionist, I have taken the liberty of forwarding the message about canola oil to a colleague who is, for her response. However, there are a few things about this post (including the lack of cited references supporting statements made) that raise accuracy questions in my mind, so I'll add my two cents to the mix (drawn from various references I can provide upon request). For example, the writer states that "canola oil is high in glycosides which cause health problems by inhibiting enzyme function". I'd personally like to see this reference, because, while SOME glycosides are toxic (e.g., the "milk" in milkweed for example), others (e.g., red, blue and yellow plant pigments called anthocyanins) protect humans from cancer (so have another glass of red wine with dinner tonight). I'd also like to see the reference for the statement that "rape is the most toxic of all food plantseven insects won't eat it". The truth of it is that, while some "generalist" herbivores (those that eat whatever they find, pretty much without preference) will avoid Brassicas due to the defensive compounds they contain, "specialist" herbivores not only do not avoid them, but are able to detoxify the plant's defenses, and use these as attractants as feeding and egglaying stimulants. On the main focus of the post, fatty oils are produced by many species of plants, often in large amounts. They are typically extracted either by pressing (e.g., extra virgin olive oil) or by solvent extraction (e.g, non-virgin olive oil). Higher grades are edible, and lower ones normally have industrial uses. Fatty oils also have a medicinal value. The four classes of vegetable fatty oils are 1. drying oils (absorb oxygen and dry to thin elastic films), 2. semi-drying oils (absorb oxygen slowly and in limited amounts and form films only after long exposure, 3. nondrying oils (remain liquid at ordinary temps. and do not form films), and 4., fats or tallows (solid or semi-solid at normal temps). All 4 classes contain examples of edible oils. For example, (1) includes soybean oil, and linseed oil (both edible, although the latter is most often - although not always- used in paints and varnishes). It may interest readers to know that soybean oil is also used in the manufacturing of candles, soap, varnishes, lacquers, paints, greases, linoleum, rubber substitues, cleaning compounds, insecticides and disinfectants. Examples of class (2) are: cottenseed oil, corn oils, sesame oil, sunflower oil, and the infamous (we are told) oil of rape (various species of Brassica). Rape seeds are extensively cultivated in Europe, China, japan and India where they have been used in diet for centuries. According to my sources, the crude oil is edible when cold pressed, and is also used in lamps, in oiling wooden goods, in manufacturing soap and rubber substitutes, and, when highly refined, as a lubricant for delicate machinery. As long as I'm on a roll, class (3) examples include olive oils and peanut oil. Guess what? Inferior grades (including "all natural" peanut oil) are used for making soaps, illuminants and as lubricants. All Brassica plants are rich in sulfur-containing compounds called "glucosinolates". In recent years, glucosinolates have been receiving a lot of positive attention from nutritionists because they are thought to be anti-cancer agents. Interestingly, these beneficial compounds apparently did evolve as a defense against insects and other herbivores, but it really is a misnomer to call the parts we eat 'toxic" when in fact they are beneficial. Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that glucosinolates decomposing in soil may form toxic isothiocyanates and thiocyanates (the former killed thousands of people in a chemical plant accident in Bophal India). This fact is used to advantage by farmers who can reduce weed biomass by plowing under winter rape in the spring. So, just because canola oil is used as a lubricant, and contains insect or weed toxic compounds or stains towels (fortunately for us, our insides are not made of cotton) does not mean its ingestion poses a risk. However, I have forwarded the post to my nutritionist colleagues for further comment. Sorry to go on so long, but those of us in the profession of science hear a lot of these"It's a (fill in the blank-Government, Industry, Farmer, etc.) conspiracy to poison us all in the name of the all mighty dollar" claims. Even though I love the X-Files, I don't blindly accept every scare story that circulates these days. However, I still subscribe to the philosophy "Trust, but verify".
Re:Saddle Slip
This message is from: Sam & Sue Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The suggestions have been very good, especially about the saddle fit and the lack of symmetry in riders as well as saddles and horses. Two other suggestions I would make are to have your horse checked by an equine Chiropractor after the vet exam. One of my horses was fine on a regular physical, but had enough chiropractic problems that she tipped me and the saddle to the left, when I usually fall to the right. As Jean said, most of us are askew in that direction :). The second thing I used on the horse, while she was having regular chiropractic care and regular work, was the Stabile-Ride saddle pad along with a crupper. My horse is built slightly downhill, so the crupper helped keep the saddle from sliding up to the back of her shoulderblades (one of the areas of her problems) and the Stabile-Ride pad helped the saddle stay in place while she built up muscle and lost some weight. I got my Stabile-Ride pad from Jeffers (1-800-533-3377) but I'm sure they can be found elsewhere. This pad goes under your normal saddle pad and can be trimmed down from the western size to an english size so that is is not seen under your saddle. Similarly, I have heard that using a dampened piece of chamois under the saddle also helps the saddle stay in place. In using a crupper, I also found that it helped stabilize the saddle somewhat. If you decide to try one, please get your horse used to it before you saddle up and ride. My horses all drive as well as ride, so it was not a big deal to wear one. I still did a lot of desensitizing work around their tail, pulling hard on the crupper so it would mimic the pull at the canter, and then worked them with the saddle and crupper in the round pen, before I actually rode with the crupper. Having a rider's weight in the saddle puts a lot more pull on the crupper when the horse uses its loins than it does when they are being driven, but my Fjords readily accepted it. Sue Banks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wanting a Fjord
This message is from: Evers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello list. Wish we had more Fjords to sell. We have sold Sage our gelding. We now have a number of people wanting these wonderful horses.A lady bid up to $4000 & then stopped on the mare that was broke to do it all. Her daughter , & another girl 8-9 yrs.old, who did not know the man that was selling the mare & gelding,asked if they could help clean, walk & care for them. Well they sold the people on the horses as they crawled all over them & cleaned the stall all weekend. The mom called to ask me to find a horse like it ,(her daughter is heartbroken they did not bring her home. They live in Idaho, an want me to find her one like that mare. Please email me if you have any for sale. I will pass it on & then you can deal with them. We had a very good week at our SFJ auction. That beautiful mare went to some people in Oregon as did the gelding also.We did a lot of promoting on all the horses but that one was the one that sold for the most money. We are keeping in touch with them so hopefully they will also Reg. with the NFHR, as they now are in the Canadian's Reg. Met some wonderful people.Congratulations to Joel on selling a mare & a yearling colt. We met Lisa & Jeff, from Calif. Having talked to her about me not being able to join her chat on Sunday I told her I was going to mention here on the list, that she should join our membership as she has a lot to offer. Met Bob Thilsted, (sorry Becky had to tend the horses at home.) Oh, I could rattle on more but do not want to bore anyone . Tillie In Central Oregon where mother nature gave us a beautiful week for our auction & now the cleanup. Bud, Tillie & Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/8589 "Speak yer mind, but ride a fast horse."
Re: Computer Drunk!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Catherine, (List-Please excuse the use of this list for 'private' matters, but my messages to Catherine will not go through!) Catherine, Please put me down for one of the copies of the Standard. Thank you. Regards, Bernadine Karns
Fw: Canola Oil Please Read
This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here it is ... A friend sent this to me... Bonnie Hendricks Gallery Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html http://www.hendricksgallery.com -Original Message- From: Bobbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Denise Valeriani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Bonnie Hendricks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mom Reardon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 7:12 PM Subject: Fw: Canola Oil Please Read Subject: Deadly oil Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 10:26 PM CANOLA OIL Deadly for the Human Body! >>>- - >- -- - -- Beware of Canola Oil, Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil, Not Fit For Human Consumption. SUMMARY Before you read the following article, here is a summary of a few facts regarding Canola Oil: It is genetically engineered rapeseed. Canada paid the FDA the sum of $50 million to have rape registered and recognized as "safe". (Source: Young Again and others) Rapeseed is a lubricating oil used by small industry. It has never been meant for human consumption. It is derived from the mustard family and is considered a toxic and poisonous weed, which when processed, becomes rancid very quickly. It has been shown to cause lung cancer (Wall Street Journal: 6/7/95) It is very inexpensive to grow and harvest. Insects won't eat it. Some typical and possible side effects include loss of vision, disruption of the central nervous system, respiratory illness, anemia, constipation, increased incidence of heart disease and cancer, low birth weights in infants and irritability. Generally rapeseed has a cumulative effect, taking almost 10 years before symptoms begin to manifest. It has a tendency to inhibit proper metabolism or foods and prohibits normal enzyme function. Canola is a Trans Fatty Acid, which has shown to have a direct link to cancer. These Trans Fatty acids are labeled as hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated oils. Avoid them! According to John Thomas' book, Young Again, 12 years ago in England and Europe, rape seed was fed to cows, pigs and sheep who later went blind and began attacking people. There were no further attacks after the rape seed was eliminated from the diet. Source: David Dancu, N.D. By Jim Lynn, Essential Oils It's amazing to me...The more research I do, the more I see a relationship between the food we eat and fatal diseases. Canola oil is no exception. Readers of EOO are familiar with the meat industry practice of feeding rendered meat "by-products" to cattle and poultry (EOO #015), and the suspected relationship of Mad Cow Disease to CJD and Alzheimer's Disease (EOO #016). Now comes information that Canola Oil is the suspected causative agent for Scrapie, a viral disease transmitted to cattle who were fed rendered sheep infected with Scrapie. Both Scrapie and Mad Cow Disease destroy the brain's ability to function. They literally eat the brain away, causing blindness, loss of mind and erratic behavior. Canola oil's real name is "LEAR" oil (Low Erucic Acid Rape). it is more commonly known as "rape oil," a semi-drying oil that is used as a lubricant, fuel, soap and synthetic rubber base, and as an illuminant to give color pages in magazines their slick look. In short it is an industrial oil that does not belong in the human body. It is typically referred to in light industry as a penetrating oil. Back in the 1980's, rape oil was widely used in animal feeds in England and throughout Europe. It was banned in 1991. Since then, Scrapie in sheep has totally disappeared. While that's good for Europeans, it is bad for Americans because the problem is now ours. Rape seed oil (Canola oil) is widely used in thousands of processed foods...with the blessings of our own government. Canola oil was first developed in Canada. It's proponents claim that due to genetic engineering and irradiation, it is no longer rape oil, but "canola" (Canadian oil). They also claim it is completely safe, pointing to it's unsaturated structure and digestibility. Although, I could not verify it, it is claimed the Canadian government paid the FDA the sum of $50 million dollars to have canola oil placed on the GRAS list (Generally Recognized As Safe). However it was done, a new industry was created. The truth is however, that rape is the most toxic of all food
Re: Canola Oil
This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi: I'll have to find it, its buried "up there" in about a zillion emails but I know I didn't delete it. They said it really wasn't good for people, either, and some may have doubts but you know... they allow a lot of things on the market that they decide later is not good for us, causes cancer, etc., and its too bad we have to find out "after the fact." I don't want to "pickle my gizzard" either - HA!!! I'll hunt for that email and send it on. It said that livestock won't even eat the rape plant as they "know." and - even if the bad elements are on a "low level" - I'm pretty sure I don't want to use it at all if they are there. Our bodies go through enough with fighting off bad elements in the air, water, etc., - Bonnie Hendricks Gallery Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html http://www.hendricksgallery.com -Original Message- From: Bushnell's <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 1:55 PM Subject: Canola Oil >This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >At 06:14 AM 4/19/99 -, you wrote: >>This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>Speaking of oil - ... there was a warning about using Canola oil (not >good for >>people, either!). actually poisonous.> >>Bonnie > >I'd be interested in that report Bonnie.. I use Canola oil in cooking. >(Hope I haven't "pickled my gizzard," or some such :o) > >Ruthie Bushnell, NW MT > >
Computer Drunk!
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen Yep.. You know I drive this computer drunk! ... Nah Why not continue the party from Libby down to Turlock. Get it all over in one month... What the "Hay"! (giggle) >
Canola Oil
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:14 AM 4/19/99 -, you wrote: >This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Speaking of oil - ... there was a warning about using Canola oil (not good for >people, either!). actually poisonous.> >Bonnie I'd be interested in that report Bonnie.. I use Canola oil in cooking. (Hope I haven't "pickled my gizzard," or some such :o) Ruthie Bushnell, NW MT
Canola oil
This message is from: "Jon A. Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bonnie Hendricks Wrote:"Speaking of oil - I don't remember if it was on this list or another one that I'm on... but there was a warning about using Canola oil (not good for people, either!). I just thought I'd toss this in... if any of you are interested in that letter/report I'll try to find it. It comes from the rape plant, they said, and is not good, actually poisonous." This comes from the Canadian Poisionous plant site: > Rapeseed (Brassica napus) meal is used as an additive to livestock feed, but toxicity occurs from glucosinolates > and erucic acid, which form in the seeds. Canadian breeders have developed new cultivars called canola, which > are low in these compounds (Cheeke and Schull 1985). See discussions under Brassica oleracea for more > information on poisoning by Brassica species. I would like to know more about where you received the information. You may email my privately, if you wish. Mary Ofjord
No Subject
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would Cynthia Madden please get in touch with me privately I have lost your e-mail and need to finalize July plans. Thanks Vivian Creigh
saddle slip
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you all for your thoughts on slipping saddles. It's given me lots to think about and try. I appreciate the help and so does Osa. Jane
Re: saddle slip
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is there any possibility that you can borrow another saddle for a couple of days? If that too slips to the right I guess there's nothing wrong with your saddle (but it still might be the saddle + the horse if you understand what I mean). Both my fjords need wide trees (size 31 or 32), but I don't know if a European wide tree is the same as an American wide tree. I too have a saddle that slipped to the right. My other saddle used on the same horse didn't, and there was not possible to adjust the padding, since the slipping saddle saddle (a Lemetex/Fels Bach-Husar) was filled with foam instead of padded with wool the traditional way. In this case a neopren pad helped out. Many modern English saddles are built the same way - filled with foam. These saddles are found in all price classes and are often very comfortable to ride in but if your horse's back changes or if you change the horse it is not possible to make the saddle fit by adjusting the padding in the old way. Mabye something to think about. Regards from Anneli in Sweden Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology & Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
