Re: Geldings for Sale from BDF
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol, This sounds like a wonderful group of horses. Wish I had more time!! I heard again from Debbie Nevelski and she said Roza was not pregnant at this time. She decided to take Roza to Oregon and leave her there with Kanada King until she becomes pregnant. I'm glad she changed her mind because from what you told me, King is spectacular and a great mover. All is well here. Idar is moving great. He felt like a third level horse today, all collected and light in the front, and going very forward. His next show is August 7, an overnight trip near San Diego at a large facility where I've never been before... always an adventure. Best, Elaine
Re: the 25% factor
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ruthie Bushnell asked, >Brian, if a conditioned Fjord can reportedly bear 25% of its correct body weight, how >much would you gauge that a non-Fjord carry in proportion to its weight? When I heard the 25% figure, it was actually for horses in general, not Fjords. So even though Fjords should be stronger, that's still probably a good figure to keep in mind. >Speaking of your auto analogy.. I've always felt that Fjords were 3/4 ton 4-wheel trucks, >wheras common horses are 1/2 ton twos =) I like that description! Thanks, Brian
Re: Wormers...again
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Teressa Kandianis wrote in regards to deworming her two growing Fjords with Quest: >...now the two together exceed the 1150 lbs, ( I think- I don't have the box right in front of >me.) by about 150 lbs. So, I'm guessing that neither of them got the full recommended >dose for their size. >Should I just wait until the next time for worming them? Should I supplement what each >got with a little more Quest now? Will an underdose - though probably a small one - not >knock back the worms? Teressa, The best thing you could do right now to know what that particular dose of Quest did for each of your young Fjords is to have your veterinarian do a fecal exam for worm eggs. We can look in the microscope at a sample of a horse's stool for worm eggs, and, even though there are no hard and fast numbers, we know in general how many worm eggs we should be seeing for a certain number of weeks post deworming. Anotherwards, with good pastewormers, by a week after the dose was administered, we should see very few or preferably no worm eggs in the stool. A month after, we often see the numbers increasing a little. And by about 6 weeks for Strongid and 8weeks for Zimectrin, the worm eggs sometimes are back up to pre-deworming levels. Quest claims that the worm eggs will not rise again to pre-deworming levels until about 12 weeks after using it. So, if you have a fecal exam done and no worm eggs are seen, then either the Quest did the job or your horses did not have adult worms in them laying eggs anyhow. If, however, a fecal exam done a week or two after the deworming shows medium or high numbers of worm eggs, the dose of Quest was insufficient. If you just went ahead, without having a fecal exam done, and gave each of them another small amount of Quest to try to make up for the little bit they missed, you would in effect just be underdosing them twice. So this would not be recommended. As a bit of practical advice, you might take some stool from each of the young Fjords in question to your veterinarian for the fecal exam. If the exam shows medium or high levels of worm eggs, provided your veterinarian agrees to the following advice, deworm them again now with a different type of dewormer (Zimectrin or Strongid for example). If the exam shows low numbers or no worm eggs, deworm them a little sooner than you would have ordinarily and use something other than Quest. So, for example, instead of waiting the 12 weeks that Quest says you can, deworm again in 8 weeks with Zimectrin or Strongid. This way, if any of the worms received a sub-lethal dose of Moxidectin (Quest), and were stunned but not killed so to speak, and are now starting to develop some resistance to Quest, hopefully the next dewormer, being a different kind, would kill them and not allow them to pass that Quest resistance on to thousands of offspring. Keep one thing in mind in regards to the weight tape for Fjords; It more often underestimates their weight than overestimating it. The weight tape was developed on horses who, in general, had higher withers than Fjords and did not have as strong or as heavy bones in their legs. So keep in mind that your Fjords will probably weigh slightly more than what the tape says. For those of you not using a weight tape, make sure you are guessing their weight heavy enough. Studies have shown that most horse owners AND THEIR VETERINARIANS underestimate horses' weight more often than they overestimate it. A weight tape is a good thing to use because, even though it may not be perfect, it gets you close. Sincerely, Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
trained geldings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks to those who replied about their trained geldings for sale. Steve (the list owner) has said before he doesn't mind brief "for sale" ads, so mention them when you've got them. Thanks, Brian Jacobsen
Re: Fjord hybrids - additional thoughts
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Bonnie, They are: Terry and Stormy Glick at 1 360 482 5757. Both are terribly busy people but leave a message and be patient. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle -Original Message- From: B. Hendricks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:06 PM Subject: Re: Fjord hybrids - additional thoughts >This message is from: "B. Hendricks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Jean, >I'd like the address!!! >I don't want to buy one presently, but would sure like to talk to them about >their zebras... >Bonnie >Please visit my web sites: >Commissioned Horse Portraits, Oil Paintings, Prints, Books >http://www.hendricksgallery.com >and >http://members.xoom.com/BHendricks/Gallery1.html > > >
Re: Special care
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When the vet works with me on the Fjords, he kind of does some >special care that he usually only does with mules and donkeys and it has worked out very well for us. We are pretty pleased with the >results. Misha,what special care??? -Curious Karen in Carson City ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Harness
This message is from: "Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa wrote, "Tack, is hard to fit most Fjords" If you have this problem, let me know. We are making harness specifically for Fjords (and then make accommodations for other breeds!). My own horses are used to check the sizing, and my horses go from 13.3 to 15.1. We are now making harness with the new Beta material, which is getting very positive acceptance, and adding leather padding. We also make riding bridles, of Biothane or Beta. $55. Kicking straps. $35.
Re: swimming Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Had to chime in with my recent aquatic fjord story - we have had tremendous rains in Northern Minnesota (you may have heard that the Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness was flattened by rain and 100 mph winds - that's true)! Anyway, the 6-9 inches of rain swelled the Cloquet River so it flooded onto Ron and Kit Davis's (Rokida Fjords) lower pasture. That usually stands about 5 feet above the river. Since all the horses know the pasture, and the footing is perfectly secure, we have been riding a lot of the horses into the water - chest deep for sure. The stallion Lee pawed and splashed and insisted in trotting through it even though it was above his belly. What fun for gal and beast alike! Ann
Re: Blue Earth classes, and motel room available
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello - About the question of which day is best to visit at the fjord show at Blue Earth Minnesota - each day will have its own character, but all will be fun and educational. Monday July 26 is the Wayne Hipsley seminar on showmanship and the fjord horse. Tuesday there are 29 classes, including halter classes for weanlings, geldings, stallions & mares, followed by driving and riding classes and one pulling class. Wednesday is several "fun" classes like costume, trail and ride-a-buck as well as pleasure driving, farm hitches, log skid and team horse pull (20 classes on Wednesday). Contact Nancy Hotovy on this list for the complete run-down. By the way, I have a double motel room at Super 8 in Blue Earth, and if any women out there would like to share the room, just let me know privately. Thanks! Ann Sigford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Clicker training at Libby
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Quick update. It looks like Ceacy is bringing her two clicker trained yearlings to LIbby and is enthusiastic about doing a demo. She suggested we might do a longer clinic at a farm nearby the day before the show as well. I'm rushing around right now, so have to be cryptic - but wanted to get out an update. Turlock - haven't done any work yet, but will try to get to it. Gail Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: misha nogha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I agree that the Fjord does look a lot like a refined Przewalski. I don't have a problem with that. I think it would be cool if they are closely related. I like the idea of a primative horse!! In fact, that is what gives the Fjords their hardiness I think. It's why I am not keen on outcrossing and/or 'refining' the Fjord. I have to admit there is something very different about the Fjord compared to other horses--it has to do with their health and vigor and super intelligence. A lot of people say they are like mules, only prettier. I think so too. This is a tough breed of horse to be sure. Thank god. When the vet works with me on the Fjords, he kind of does some special care that he usually only does with mules and donkeys and it has worked out very well for us. We are pretty pleased with the results. Like most Fjord owners and breeders, I think the Fjord is a superior breed--ha--and would not like to change. One horse I thought may be similar to the Fjord is the Tarpan. Did you notice that they are all grey duns with white manes and tails with a stripe through them like the Fjord. Makes me wonder if there isn't some connection there. As you know, the Tarpan is not the wild breed it was, but a distillation down from the modern horse to its primative wild appearance. I hear they are somewhat intractible--so I guess that still puts Fjords in better favor. Just wanted to make a comment. Misha
Re: Fjord/Przewalski
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:06 PM 7/15/99 +, you wrote: Przewalski is an offshoot of Equus, but way further back I think than 40,000 years. All of the equidae family have some common genes, and among just the horse breeds, there is much that shows relationship. Maybe I can get some material on it from Gus. I owe him a letter. Thanks Bonnie === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
