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Hair cuts
This message is from: Jim and TammyHooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would like to again say thank you to everyone who provided a multitude of information on giving Fjords their correct hair cut. I have recently given my two their first 'do' by me. Time seems to be an important factor. Their cuts don't look as bad after a couple of days and I figure in time (hopefully by summer) I'll have this down. Those Fiskars are handy. The Fjords are in their environment in snow. We have between 6"-3' and they love it!! Since we have recently moved in our hay storage is temporary. It is interesting how the deer are nibbling the moldy hay outside and around our plastic covered good hay. They get some of the good and leave cone shaped holes in our bales. It's fun to be back in a real winter environment. Tammy Hooper Bonners Ferry, ID
Re: leaning; squirrel
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The "get out of the way nudge" gave me a hyperextended elbow that required ice all afternoon. He is not a subtle little boy.
Re: leaning; squirrel
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/16/00 2:44:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Don't push him away (he'll push back) but use the butt of your dressage whip to poke him in an annoying way in the neck. Use short little pokes and stop as soon as he moves away even a bit. >> Similar to what I do, but I'm not usually carrying a whip. My elbow works nicely, not even a rough poke, but just a "get out of my space" nudge. Works very well. Pamela
Re: In hand
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Allison, This is how I train for the trot in hand. Since all my horses are started for driving I first start them at the age of three and a half or older by putting them on a lunge line. They are taught to walk, trot, whoa on voice commands. I have a lunge whip in hand while working so if they don't respond to an up transition immediately I have the lunge whip to reinforce the voice command. Nothing gets hitched until it is absolutely,100% responding to my voice commands every time and immediately. This doesn't take many sessions. 20 minute a day for five days straight will usually do it. I'm also looking for a brisk walk and nice forward trot, not a slow poky gait. After your horse is confirmed on the voice he will pick up the gait asked for whether on the lunge or in hand as soon as you ask for it. I did competitive trail riding and driving for several years where it is very important to have a horse trot out briskly especially on the second jog or you will lose points for a tired horse. Because all my ponies were trained to the voice for driving I never had a problem in the jog. Hope this helps. Well, it finally snowed in Vermont. My kids went up to the farm pond to skate as it was such a beautiful snow. Light and fluffy, and relatively warm compared to the sub zero temps we have been experiencing this week. After they had been gone awhile I tacked up Juujtje and head up the hill to check on them. Juujtje has lived inHolland all her life where it snows, but not a lot. The snow was blowing right at her face and she was clearly confused by the changes on her usual loop. Nothing looked the same. After a couple of balks starting out she trotted down the road shaking her head, but very interested in her newly painted surroundings. She was very interested in watching the kids play broom hockey and except for a momentary lapse when she spun and tried to run home she found out quickly that although things looked very different it was the same old meany riding her and she wouldn't beable to get away with anything new. She is so good off the leg and I talk to her incessantly although my Dutch is pretty limited. Tomorrow I will finally beable to get the sleigh out and play. Vivian.
alladvantage
This message is from: Ingrid Ivic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This message is from: "Annette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dang!!! I thought about telling you guys about alladvantage.com Hi Annette and Catherine... Just a quick note...if someone is using a Macintosh computer, they can't participate in the alladvantage program. The download for the "navigation bar" that tracks where you go, isn't available yet for Mac users. Ingrid in Ohio (no extra cash for me or a "big brother" watching me either...)
Re: leaning; squirrel
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Could someone comment on training a young horse to lead without them leaning > against the one leading them? Our weanling leads fine from the left (normal) > side, but I realized he needed more work leading from the other side. He > leans against me and I don't know of any way to push him away. Don't push him away (he'll push back) but use the butt of your dressage whip to poke him in an annoying way in the neck. Use short little pokes and stop as soon as he moves away even a bit. Gradually insist on him keeping a proper space, and he'll soon learn that when he gives you your space you quit poking him. Do it in the barn aisle at a walk at first, where everything is low-key and controlled. Hope this helps, Lori A.
Re: In hand
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alison, I have shown one of my Fjords in many open halter classes against ponies and horses with very good success. There is quite a bit involved with having him move properly in halter classes. Is there anyone around that could give you some pointers? Mainly, your horse must be obedient to your aids to trot off, go back to walk and stand square but still show expression. I worked with someone when my horse was young teaching him to trot off immediately without being pulled around. It took the use of a dressage length whip at my side used as a gentle, tapping aid as I gave a voice aid. I worked on this for several weeks at home before I went into a show ring. You never want to look like you are pulling your horse, or that he is trotting ahead of you(you'll get marked down in open shows). His head should be even by your shoulder. And YOU really have to move to show off the trot well, close to running, to get his trot forward. Hopefully, you can find someone near you that can work with you and your horse. Sometimes, the people in 4-H that enter horsemanship classes are good at this type of showing. Elaine Olsen
TRIPPING through the Tulips......; )
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 00-01-16 08:26:10 EST, you write: << << > > think tripping and stumbling does exist in quite a number of Fjords >> Well Hi List !Im fighting a cold now, so will try and make it short, dont want to dribble on the keyboard. I have been reading the " tripping " posts with a bit of confusion. Every horse we have ever owned has tripped or stumbled every once in awhile. This has included QH's, TB Appy X, Morgan QH X, Ponies of every type, including minis, and Paints. Every Fjord we have owned and worked up to riding several disaplines including English, Western, Dressage and Driven Dressage has occasionally tripped also. Never has one fallen down ( unlike my QH/Arab, who went down 2 times in 15 years with me on her ) or even come close to making me feel unsafe. I feel that some TYPE of horses, including some Fjords may be prone to tripping, but owning both the " lighter type " tall and elegant, along with the huge " Drafty " type like Kaiser, built like a Peterbilt truck, NONE has shown a pre-disposition to trip any more or less than the other type. I also feel that shoeing with a good farrier keeps mine sound and moving well. There is a breeder that we know, who for years, breeds Fjords with hoof and thyroid problems. I have seen several of his Fjords in action, along with the breeding stock at his ranch, and have left feeling a little sick over how hog fat he keeps them. I dont know if the thyroid problems are caused by, or just contributed to, by the management of his stock, bloodlines, or if the hoof problems and reported tripping by their owners would get better with less food and more work while growing up, but there you have it. Maybe if people really researched and looked around at many Fjords before breeding to whoever is close or has a " deal " at hand..they wouldnt end up with health, and soundness problems. I have bought Fjords from Roger and Diane Whittney in Minnesota, Shirley Anderson in Idaho, and a filly this year from Catherine Lassessen in Or. None of these animals were close, or easy to get to us in Ca. but I found none there I could use. None of my beautiful herd has health or tripping problems, and I encourage everyone to look at the cost of shipping a well bred, healthy animal against buying one that may cost the trip, but unable to provide the lifetime of enjoyment that a sound, well bred one can. BTW, Village Farm in Nuevo Ca. ( Margaret Stracken ) is now breeding wonderful Fjords in Ca. She looks closely at bloodlines and stands her wonderful Stallion, Valbjorn, who has won at upper level CD's. No movement problems there ! I only wish that the West Coast had more breeders to chose from, esp. when we started with this breed. My stud colt out of a Gjest daughter, and by Valbjorn is better and better each day. We have thoughtfully gelded every boy foal we have ever bred, except him. The payoffs of having such a good colt is worth everything. Just my .2 cents. I promise not to infect anyone with this crappy colt tonight if you come to Fjord chat. Last week, we had a fun group of, loyals and newbies. PAV Aussie from " Down Under " and I welcomed, BKFjords, Lynda, Mustang, Betsy, Sarah, Jon and Mary, Sheri, Casey, Juilianne, Teressa, Patti, Jeb, Laurie and " better-late-than-never, Louanna." Sorry if I left anyone out. See you tonight ! Lisa Pedersen PAV FJORDS http://www.petsandvets.com/";>PETS AND VETS http://volano1.suresite.com/petsvets/vcclient/horsechat.html";>HORSE CHAT ROOM
Fw: Driving Cart
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I thought someone might be interested in this. I am looking for a beginners cart in case it gets battered. Brakes sound like a good idea also. Jean PS this "studebaker" is in Wash. state, west side. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores -Original Message- From: Christina Shuman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, January 16, 2000 1:14 PM Subject: Driving Cart >Hello Jean, > >We have a reproduction "Studebaker" light-delivery wagon (buckboard). >It has four wheels (rubber tires), shafts and poles for team or single - >draft or saddle horses. >It is brand new..never been used - made by Oxbow Carriage Co. in >Oregon. >It has been stored inside our garage. We are asking $4,200 (obo). > >Thank you for your interest and look forward to hearing from you. > >Christina and John >
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #15
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Re: In hand
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Alison Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [...] been taking my Fj to our local pony show, and showing him in > hand as well as in the performance classes. [...] he does miserably, > [...] He lunks along half asleep at the end of the reins, his neck > down, and I have to tow him through the ring. [...] He moves nicely > if you have 2 or 3 people chasing him with whips, but that's not > exactly a show ring remedy. Has anyone have any solutions to this? Many years ago, I attended a mule-training clinic, at which this question came up. The trainer stationed several of us around, each with a handful of pebbles. When the owner told the mule to TROT in hand, whoever was directly behind the mule would lob a pebble (or a handful, if they were bad shots---depending on the "shotgun effect") at the mule's rump. Instant impulsion! After a few iterations, the mule figured out that if he trotted right off, he didn't get "fallout" on his rump. For highly resistant cases, the trainer recommended using a slingshot, instead of hand-throwing the pebbles When I taught my donkey to lead, we worked along a fence (to keep her straight), and with a buggy whip in my left hand (lead rope in my right). I learned to reach around behind me with the whip to whap her haunch when she lagged. She learned that, when I turned slightly away from her and SLOWED DOWN, she'd better speed up! Conversely, if I get out in front and try to pull her, she goes even slower. At one of her workshops, Linda Tellington-Jones recommended that the leader mimic the body posture that you want from the horse. Pretend that you're a little kid again, and play at being a Hackney---prancing along, head up, with lots of up-down "hoof" action, but not making much forward speed---animation. At a minimum, this behavior from you will "wake him up"! Hopefully, he will then move the way you do. Experiment with it at home, or in practice sessions, and see what works for Fj. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif.
Re: Hansje
This message is from: "Marion Bijster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Sarah Vogeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Aan: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Datum: zondag-januari-2000 19:21 Onderwerp: Re: Hansje >This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Perhaps the other one looked angry because she wasn't well looked after >either. I wouldn't be too happy being locked in a stall for a seemingly >indefinate period of time myself, so perhaps there is hope for the other one >as well? Is he or she available for purchase? Where are the horses located? >If you are able, please post the particulars on this list in case there >might be a list member who can help the other one out as well. > >Good luck with your new friend. > >_ > >Sarah Vogeley >New Forest Farm >Charlottesville, VA > >-- >>From: "Marion Bijster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>To: "fjorden mailinglist" >>Subject: Hansje >>Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2000, 11:44 PM >> > >> Anyway the price was very >> reasonable, so when she turnes out not to be the companion I hope she is >> I can always sell her good. But that is nog what I hope. She was dirty >> and not well-looked after. I felt sorry for the other animal, but I can >> only afford one. The character of the other horse was not good and I did >> not like the look in her eye. There was something wrong with her. >> But this one looked completely honest. > Sarah, this Fjord is for sale in The Netherlands that is quite far away from the States But anyway, for anyone who is nearby ans is interested, the telephonenumber is 0487-542004 I did not mean she was angry, but jumpy and not okay. I am eally looking forward to getting Hansje tomorrow and placing her in her new stable and surroundings. She will think she is in heaven The coming time I will slowly work on building muscles again en stamina. Am really looking forward to it !
In hand
This message is from: Alison Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have for the past few years been taking my Fj to our local pony show, and showing him in hand as well as in the performance classes. I also took him to a few open shows with pony halter classes. However, he does miserably, invariably last or close to. At least part of the problem is that he dies in the ring if I am not riding him. He has been described as a "dying cart horse", which is fairly accurate. He lunks along half asleep at the end of the reins, his neck down, and I have to tow him through the ring. Not exactly showing him to the best of his abilities. I have tried using a whip for warm-up, but he just goes sideways and not forward. He moves nicely if you have 2 or 3 people chasing him with whips, but that's not exactly a show ring remedy. Has anyone have any solutions to this? Note: Not doing in hand is not an option, as I have to run him up for eventing too.
New pages at the Norwegian Fjord www site
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fjord Horse International AS Homepage http://www.fjordhorseint.no/english/index_e.html click on 'Salglister' ('Sales List') http://www.fjordhorseint.no/norsk/salg/index_s.html For some reason I could only get one 'stallion for sale' photo, and he is lovely. They only had one 'mare for sale' photo but all had short pedigrees for those of us who enjoy such things. I haven't had the chance to see what else is new at that site. >>><<< Meredith Sessoms >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot
Re: leaning; squirrel
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I should talk after my confession of wiring the feeder. Course that was twenty years ago.. I have trained my babies to stay away from me by leading them and then getting them to stand still for a minute (young minds) while I move away about a foot. When they offer to come back to me I use the butt end of the crop to push against them and tell them "over" It takes a few times and then they will stay away and will move over at command which comes in use later on the lunge etc. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Typical Fjord Story
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When Bjorken was a baby I blocked the stall door with a 2x4 just high enough to let him get in to eat his grain. It didn't take long for Stella to get down on her knees and attempt to crawl under the barrier! Ursula, hurry and post pictures and diagrams of that sulky/travois sled thing. It may actually get warm enough here to do something with the horses outside after three weeks of -40 to -50 degree weather! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where they're predicting ABOVE zero temps and lots of snow this week! Presently -10 F. We're sending that cold air mass down to you folks! At 09:54 AM 1/16/2000 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >This is so hilarious that I just had to share it with you. Just picture >this: > Brian's new >training device .a travois/sled/sulky...a mere method of self >preservation for his winter driving trainingsimple to build and a hoot >to drive Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
leaning; squirrel
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could someone comment on training a young horse to lead without them leaning against the one leading them? Our weanling leads fine from the left (normal) side, but I realized he needed more work leading from the other side. He leans against me and I don't know of any way to push him away. I must be weaker on this side, because I easily trained him to go correcty the other way. Yesterday he found a carcass of a squirrel the dogs had killed. I didn't know what he had. It looked like a piece of sod he had pulled up. He had it in his mouth waving it around. He finally dropped it when I went over to look. Maybe he'll become a carnivore! I hope he won't catch anything from it. Cold this morning - just a little above zero degrees F. Ordinally this would be balmy for January, but we in Minnesota are getting spoiled this winter, at least in the North by the big lake. TTFN Suzan
Re: Typical Fjord Story
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ursula that "rig" sounds very interesting as we are just going to start driving the "unfriendly one" next week and I have yet to get a cart. Sounds like you had a near chain saw experience with that creep opening. what a picture! I bought one of those adjustable foal feeders and set it at the narrowest openings but my mare, a fine thoroughbred, could still get her nose in with bruising. I would stand there threatening and yelling with no effect. Worked myself up to such a state that I actually wired the feeder with the fence electrical wiring and thought I would teach her to stay away from the feeder. The reaction almost took out the stall, luckily I had the sense to have the colt out in the aisle, what sense there was left in me by then. My mare had not the least idea where the shock had come from and regarded her surroundings with a terrified eye. I quickly disconnected the wire and snorting she went right back to the feeder. Luckily I was not turned in to the animal protection group. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Hansje
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Perhaps the other one looked angry because she wasn't well looked after either. I wouldn't be too happy being locked in a stall for a seemingly indefinate period of time myself, so perhaps there is hope for the other one as well? Is he or she available for purchase? Where are the horses located? If you are able, please post the particulars on this list in case there might be a list member who can help the other one out as well. Good luck with your new friend. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- >From: "Marion Bijster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "fjorden mailinglist" >Subject: Hansje >Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2000, 11:44 PM > > Anyway the price was very > reasonable, so when she turnes out not to be the companion I hope she is > I can always sell her good. But that is nog what I hope. She was dirty > and not well-looked after. I felt sorry for the other animal, but I can > only afford one. The character of the other horse was not good and I did > not like the look in her eye. There was something wrong with her. > But this one looked completely honest.
Typical Fjord Story
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is so hilarious that I just had to share it with you. Just picture this: We have decided to start graining the two foals so had to figure out a way to separate the babies from the mares and still allow access. We have two very large foaling stalls that are separated by a wall which has a 2' wide X 2' 10" high little door which we normally use as a creep. The foal can go back and forth and the mare stays on the one side. We decided to put both mares on Heia's side and allow both babies to use the creep for additional grain and hay. This morning Brian went to feed and found Rayetta had gone back over to her own side (thru the creep) to clean up all the extra hay and grain...I call that extreme motivation as she would have had to get on her knees to squeeze thru that small space...back to the drawing board I guess I have some new pictures of the foals which I will put up on our website soon ...will let you know.will also show a picture of Brian's new training device .a travois/sled/sulky...a mere method of self preservation for his winter driving trainingsimple to build and a hoot to drive.He will post details as soon as he gets a few minutes (he types very slow and with only two fingers) He uses it for Romulus and I have had it on Raynor (the fat boy)it feels like driving in a 'Roadster Class...stay tuned. Ursula Jensen Trinity Fjords Box 1032 Lumby BC Canada V0E-2G0 http://okjunc.junction.net/~ujensen/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 547-6303
Hansje
This message is from: "Marion Bijster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hello everyone out there ! Time to celebrate, because I bought a new Fjord today ! Her name is Hansje (little Hans) and she is 13 years old. A very funny looking mare she is. To morrow I am going to get her and everyone here in the stables where she is going to live is quite curious how she looks. I went to see someone who had two Fjords for sale, who belonged to his children but these are grown ups now and he has no more land to let them graze. They have never done much work, so she walks like a horse of 5 years. Looked completely fine to me, good legs, no back-sensibility. Only the poor animals are stabled since starting december without any opportunity whatsoever to move or run. So I did not ride on her to try, because that would not be fair for the animal. But I saw her move and it looked good to me. Anyway the price was very reasonable, so when she turnes out not to be the companion I hope she is I can always sell her good. But that is nog what I hope. She was dirty and not well-looked after. I felt sorry for the other animal, but I can only afford one. The character of the other horse was not good and I did not like the look in her eye. There was something wrong with her. But this one looked completely honest. So the next weeks I will be busy grooming and walking with her and lungeing and slowly training to built up muscles again. You will hear from me ! Marion
Re: Horse Fighting
This message is from: "Teressa Kandianis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Catherine: Here is the website for the NorwayList. It is mostly in English, however lots of information is in Norwegian and there are a number of Norwegians on the list as well. They offer links on listening to Norway radio stations, looking at mini cams in various Norwegian places, virtually anything and everything that can help people with finding ancestors or relatives in Norway and/or the US. There are numerous Norwegian cultural "experts" subscribing to this list and it can be very enlightening about the why and how of Norwegian customs and traditions. Including the occasional reference to fjords and farm life. http://www.cport.com/~catmandu/NorwayList.htm When the horse fighting thread came up, links to photos were posted showing fjords purportedly at the "fights" with Norwegian captions. At first I thought it was coming from the fjord list folks as it became a long running commentary - as evidenced by Kneel's bit of tongue in cheek history. Lots of postings to go thru but it goes quickly as subject lines are usually very descriptive of the contents. We're having snow and supposed to get some winds later today. But, my garden is telling me that for all practical purposes, spring is around the corner. Its so exciting to see my baby fjords growing up. Who cares if we were unprepared to train youngsters and that we have to be patient before we can ride etc. Seeing them through their wacky ones, terrible twos, and adolescent threes has become one of the high points of our lives. I believe they might be equally amused by our antics as well. Teressa K. in Ferndale.
Horse Fighting
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Teressa, What a story...What list are you on and is it in English or Norwegian? Kneel is an old fashion SKALD. (story teller) Thank you for the warm hellos about our NUMANN (means NOW MAN). He is running around the field in between rain storms. I work with him more for I feel I need to get him out of the stall as much as possible. But I do not want him soaked to the skin in the rain. In a week, he will go in the sand arena for play time. Numann has learned what mud puddles are, the creek, the bridge, the cats, the dogs, the wild turkeys and the little grass. All in 24 hours of life. No matter how many foals I have birth out, each of them amaze me. The window of learning is there wide open in the first few weeks and months... They are sooo smart. Enough sad... Catherine L.
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #16
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/16/00 5:25:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Anybody in the northern California or southern Oregon area that wouldn't mind visitors who are just starting in Fjords let me know. We will be in that area for the last week of January. Tami >> Tami, We live about 2 hours north of Catherine. Will you be coming that far up? Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR
Re: wondering ...
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, it's too quiet! (everyone else must have a life! =)) Glad I'm not alone here girls! (Sarah, Denise and Jean) Since the big thaw here it's too icy to even move! (but we still have snow too, around six inches.) Ruthie, NW MT At 06:39 PM 01/15/2000 -0800, you wrote: >This message is from: "Carl & Sarah Nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >is the fjord list working? have I been deleted? > >this is a test message, because I haven't received any messages in quite >awhile. > >Sarah Nagel > > >