Norway!
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yeah - We're going for sure for two [2] weeks! More Later, time for bed now. Be sure to check out the nice pictures of Rocky on our "For Sale" page. Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re:bugs/reining team
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/16/00 1:08:49 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > centipedes before, itty bitty things that are just little bugs. But in New > Mexico It must be where you were. I've never seen any centipedes here and I've lived here off and on, mostly on, since '62. They were a problem in Guam. In Las Cruces mosquitos are rampant in the valley which is pecan orchards, cotton and chile, all flooded, but no mosquitos or no-see-ums in the mountains.NMSU actually has an olympic reining team. Wonder if my little fat fjords could play?Gail-Dorine
Evaluations
This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> OK - can't keep quiet any longer. There is a lot of good discussion going on again in regards to the Evaluations. I agree with Gayle - - onward and upward. Everyone that has ever worked on the Evaluation Committee knew it is a "work in progress". Of course it's not perfect, that only will come with more Evaluations, people willing to do the work to put one on and the training of more Evaluators. This is being accomplished as we "speak". Myself, I am very proud of the concept of the American Evaluations. American's do much more with their Fjords than the Norwegian or Dutch in our system. I have participated in a Norwegian Evaluation and two American Evaluations. While I am not knocking the Norwegians, their draft test was very, very simple. Also there was no riding. I do not remember who commented that the Western test could be the same as the English - - just a different saddle. No Way! A true Western horse is ridden totally different than an English trained horse. Not that you cannot have a horse do both, but there is much more difference between them then just the saddle. Gayle help me out here! Some of the comments have also been that the Draft tests are more of a competition for the driver than the horse. Yes, it does take some skills to drive a horse through the draft course but look at this another way. Should I throw an English saddle on my Fjord and do an Advanced English test? Those of you who know me realize the humor in this - maybe two times in my life in an English saddle.. Of course my horse would show poorly as I would be very green. Should we make the English test much simpler so the skills of a good rider are not taken into consideration? Never! Even in the Norwegian Trotting test, you would have a skilled driver taking the horse through the test if you truly want him to do his best OR you would practice, practice, practice at home and become familiar with what is to be asked of you. Brian J. - I know this was a question you asked Gayle in regards to the American Evaluators noticing even minute problems but this is another case I agree with her. They have also noticed some very "unnoticeable" things with my horses. Things that when shown under other judges were not noticed at all. Did it affect the scores? If it was something I did in error, I think not - if it was truly a fault of the horse, I think so! Rather than feel bad they "noticed" a problem other judges had not, I feel very good we have Evaluators that honest and knowledgeable. This is what we are paying them for. My last opinion is that the scores from a Norwegian Evaluation or Dutch Keuring be put on the the registration papers only if put on in the home country. What would stop anyone from Norway or Holland coming over and doing an evaluation whether they were qualified or not and giving awards? I'm not criticizing the true judges and evaluators but in Norway and Holland isn't there a group (more than one) doing the evaluating and do they have to meet certain qualifications? Enough for now, everyone have a nice evening! Nancy The Upper Forty
Re: from the "sticks"
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> nice ruthie, i love montana, but i'm afraid it is too cold for me in the winter. we've been up there alot, have friends on a ranch near monida...talk about BIG sky, beautiful!!! denise, in the next best thing to it.
from the "sticks"
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN MONTANA WHEN: > >The wind is faster than your truck. >You own more than four pairs of gloves. >Every other vehicle is a 4x4. >The sun goes down, you start looking for your coat. >In March your vehicle is 43% mud. >You leave your keys in your car and the next morning it's still there. >You installed your new computer using a Leatherman tool. >Wolves are naturally free and house cats are on a leash. >You hear the words "stream" or "brook" pronounced "crick". >The elevation exceeds the population. >Monday night football starts at 7:00, instead of 9:00 >The jug of milk on your porch is frozen. >You've broken down on the highway and someone stops to help >you..and you trust >them! >You can pay for a "Big Mac" with a personal check. >Drive by shootings only happen on the evening news, in big cities. >There's a Bison in yourdriving lane. >Your central heating system is fueled by large logs. >You can see the stars at night. >People drive 200+ miles to shop at a real mall. >Your great grandmother is older than the courthouse. >You got a set of new snow tires for Valentines day. >Your minister shows up Sunday morning wearing Carhartt coveralls. >More than 1/2 the meat in your freezer is Elk. >The term "wind chill factor" is part of your daily vocabulary. >The bumper jack in your pickup will lift a house. >You only paid $5.00 to cut your own Douglas Fir Christmas tree. >Your backyard smells like sage brush (or the nearest feedlot). >You put on a pair of snowboots to get the morning paper. >You enjoy a hot chocolate more than a margarita. >A girls' basketball game fills the school gym. >You put the car heater on your list of best friends. >You slept through the night unawakened by a siren..or a train! >A rodeo is more popular than a Madonna concert. >Tractors are a normal part of traffic. >You use your back porch as a freezer from Oct. to April. >Your telephone book is smaller than most magazines. >You have made Jerky at least once in your life. >You love the BIG SKY. > > > > >
Hi!!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joan Kemp) After many,many months of "lurking" I thought it was about time that I introduced myself and also to say how much I enjoy this forum. I read all the posts and many I have printed off for future reference. There are lots of you that I feel like I know personally - even if I have never met you. My husband Keith and I live in Southern Manitoba - about 10 minutes from the North Dakota border. We have had fjords for almost 8 years and we would have nothing but. We do not do any showing but do lots of parades, weddings, trail rides, etc. We are just working on our web-site - hopefully it will be finished in the next couple of weeks. Thanks again for such a great List. Keith and Joan Kemp Turtle Mountain Fjords and Alpacas Killarney MB Canada Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.wdd.cx/fjords
Going no mail for a whilw soon
This message is from: "Jackie Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone, I just want to tell you that I'll be going no mail soon for about a week. I'll leave next Thursday (24th) for a Paralympic Training Camp on Kujrrajong (near Sydney) and will be back on 1st March. Jackie Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Site with old brasses
This message is from: Lori Puster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oh, and by the way, I'm a trained silversmith, so if any one needs custom silver, brass, or bronze ornamentation, or an existing piece copied, let me know and we'll see what we can work out. Lori Puster MoonWise Farm
Re: Site with old brasses
This message is from: Lori Puster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Fun site with antique horse brasses, etc.: > >http://www.antiquehorse.com/index.html If anyone is interested in buying horse brasses, there are a lot of them listed at EBay for not too much money. http://www.ebay.com/ Search for "Horse Brass."
Lost Phil Prichard's number
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi folks, I need to get in touch with Phil Prichard. I had his Memphis number but I've lost it. Anyways, he may have moved recently to a place south of Nashville. If anyone has it, could you please send it to me? Many thanx ... >> >< << Meredith Sessoms >> >< << Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >> >< << Dorina & NFR Aagot
Site with old brasses
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fun site with antique horse brasses, etc.: http://www.antiquehorse.com/index.html >>><<< Meredith Sessoms >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot
This weekends fun
This message is from: Wild Flower Fjord Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well this weekend was a pretty good weekend we had 19 kids come to our farm for our monthly camp. The horses did great and all the kids had a great time. The weather was nice and the fjords were the best they ever were. Hanna our mare that lost twins is recovering nicely. She got some rest and allot of attention and hugs all the time. We have one mare that will be due in the months to come. Happy Fjordin' Renee Lafleur Wild Flower Fjord Farm www.geocities.com/fjords2000/fjords2000.html
Re: Horse going to Guyton, Ga
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Richard is doing awesome. I have to sit on him to keep him down Sue, Boy, I'd really like to be around to see that. Best to you all, Bill
Re: Baby Bunny Pocket Warmers
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Carol M. ! You forgot to mention that the "baby bunny pocket warmers" also come with little chocolate bonbons for you to munch on to keep that energy level up and fight off the cold! Plenty of fiber. Couldn't resist!Sue G. Hi Fionna! Have seen your posts these past few digests and was glad to hear from you! Are you going back to Norway this year? Maybe next year, I will go with my husband and son. Sounds like you are having a blast in the muck! Hi to Elspeth(did I get it right?) from me, too! Sue Giargiari
Re: bugs/reining team
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/16/00 2:00:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << It must be where you were. I've never seen any centipedes here and I've lived here off and on, mostly on, since '62. >> It was. Very few of my neighbors were bothered by centipedes, but we had them up the yin yang. It was a beautiful house, I wish we had that house here in Oregon. But it had gravel all around it, with black tarp under the gravel. Perfect breeding ground for centipedes I hear. And they would come in the heating vents. Once one crawled up the shower drain as my son was taking a shower. And they challenge you when they catch you! Truly little monster bugs. Anyway, I nicknamed that house "Centipede Palace". Ah well, centipedes aside, I'm glad I lived in New Mexico for that year anyways. We found Juniper and that has made it worthwhile. She's adjusted quite well to the Oregon climate, btw. Pamela
Re:pulling wolf teeth
This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please read "philly" as "filly" in my post... must have been lunch time! Mark
Re: the fjord handbook
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/16/00 1:08:49 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > BTW, in looking this up, I was skimming the Handbook again, and was > re-impressed with the hard work that went into this book A friend was waiting for me to finish mine, so she could read it. She finally just had to order her own. I'm a fast reader, but there was a lot of absorb. and I have since reread the book. I love the fact that the book isn't all "begats," which are only meaningful to people who have been in a breed of animal for a long time -- now, thanks to the list, I know who some of them are.I also have the tape on driving which I think is good except for the wind noise (couldn't you turn that wind off, Carole?) and the tape on mane cutting. Gail-Dorine
Pulling Wolf teeth
This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Apparently our philly Asa has been reading the fjord list over my shoulder and decided to do a little dentistry on her mom. A couple of days ago we noticed that Alida (Mom) had a swollen right side of her face. When I looked at it it appeared to be a "kick" wound. Sure enough the Vet came out and said that it was an "Impact" injury and her right wolf tooth was barely in. He pulled it out and she's doing fine now. Never did stop eating though!! Asa was proud to "help" us out in regards to those pesky wolf teeth. I know it was Asa because Alida won't let her get very close anymore. Maybe we have a new dominant mare?... At two years old? Uh Oh. Mark McGinley Mariposa Farm Fjord horses, Australian Shepherds, sheep and fibers Washburn, Wisconsin, USA
Re: Horse going to Guyton, Ga
This message is from: "SUSAN L GIARGIARI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy Folks, Thank you for all your good thoughts and prayers during Richard's illness. It really helps to know all of you were doing that! Wanted to let people know that we are trucking a horse to GA the middle of march or end. Exact date not written in stone yet. It would be with Richard and his friend Billy. They will drive straight down and back. Call him at 603-924-9133 and what a deal he could work out for you. Could also take freight instead of a horse. Didn't someone need a carriage picked up in VA.? Richard is doing awesome. I have to sit on him to keep him down. He is now able to help with chores..Yeah! Somehow though the job of chopping the frozen poop is still mine?? oh well ! We will know he is 100% well when he can shovel the again! Ha! Ha! Lots of great topics on the list! Have to go get Anthony at the bus now and introduce him to Felicity who was born this AM. Baby pygmy goat! Black with white ears, a white tipped muzzle and a white star and so nice to hug! Boy, will Anthony be pleasantly surprised! Bye Sue G>
RE: Comments on Dutch Keuring
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] I was very glad to see Julie Will's and other posts about the criticisms for holding a Dutch keuring in this country. I think the allusions to Bob von Bon's ability to evaulate fairly were unjust and again agree that to cast aspersions upon an evaluator's ability to perform ethically is not a place we want to go - especially about a person with Mr. von Bon's credentials and contributions to the Fjord on this continent and as we get our own evaluation program more fully implemented. I applaud the work the NFHR Evaluation Committee has done to come up with an American system, but I think having our Fjord friends across the sea come over has validity. Anyone who is interested in seeing the best Fjord's bred and raised has my approval. I, for one, am in awe of Vivian's efforts to organize the keuring and her bold and very public statement that she will abide by the judgement of the evaluation if it is not as she would wish. How many of you would be so willing? What I have usually heard from someone who has not fared well in this type of evaluation is criticism of the evaluator not of their horse or that owner's ability to accept a decision that their pride and joy is superlative enough to carry on the breed. (And that does not mean that its career as a using horse cannot still be superior) It is a brave and courageous person who brings their horse to an evaluation and one who loves the breed and wants what is best for it and it is even braver to take what the evaluator says and abide by it should the horse not fare well. Cynthia Madden Omaha, Nebraska USA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bugs
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/16/00 8:40:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << In the South, we call the bug whose bite is akin to a giant mosquto, and lives in the grass, that is so tiny you can't see them ... 'chiggers'. You know it, regrettably, for the next two weeks if you waded through a field with chiggers in the tall grass! >> I guess Albuquerque would be classified as being in the South? What was even worse than these those were those gawdawful centipedes. Now, I'd seen centipedes before, itty bitty things that are just little bugs. But in New Mexico (and Hawaii) they are 5-8 inches long, nasty and bite! While holding onto you with their ugly little legs. And worse, they seem to be heat seeking little missiles that actually target you and are just the devil to kill. Pamela
Re: evaluation score questions
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Julie Will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Julie Will" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The BOD will be making a decision about > acknowledging awards given by the > Dutch (or Norwegian, should it happen) > evaluations/Keurings on pedigrees at > the next meeting. (March 8th, I believe). If you > have an opinion, let a > BOD member know. Julie - are you out there? Don't have your private email handy, so will reply on-list. Please add my vote to those who wish to have awards given by Dutch or Norwegian evaluations/keurings noted on pedigrees. Thanks. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #54
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We call them "no see ums" here in the northwest and they fly, coming out early damp mornings and evenings. I think they would be just a huge mouth with enormous teeth and the whole attached to wings if we could see them up close. They swarm, covering the horses and sucking out blood. They seem resistant to most sprays I have used. Citronella does seem to work for a bit. They like human blood as well and it hurts like &[EMAIL PROTECTED] when they bite. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Still more new pictures...
This message is from: "Carl & Sarah Nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: Knutsen Fjord Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >But wait, there's more > >Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord Oh! Your site has come together so nicely ... I really enjoyed all the pics ... the horses, the farm, the "Erlend" Truck and of course His Majesty! Truly wonderful shots and information you have put together. And Clark is quite the handsome creature as well. We have three goats and really enjoy their antics and personalities. I'm sure he adds fun and adventure to your days! Sarah Nagel in Northern Idaho whos three naughty weegies broke out of their fenced area last night and spent the night in the hay shed eating hay so i'm really having to watch them today. Thank goodness the grain is kept in locking barrels, they had knocked those around to no avail!!!
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #54
This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Also the fleas, or no-see-ums (don't know which) in >> the grass were horrible. > >they're No-see-ums. There's no fleas at this altitude. Ticks, yes; >fleas, no. In the South, we call the bug whose bite is akin to a giant mosquto, and lives in the grass, that is so tiny you can't see them ... 'chiggers'. You know it, regrettably, for the next two weeks if you waded through a field with chiggers in the tall grass! And Southern 'no-see-ums' are a kind of tiny biting gnat that can get through tent netting. I've never encountered these, I think they are on beaches at night or something. >>><<< Meredith Sessoms >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #54
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/15/00 11:04:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Will the Fjords be "featured" on one particular day of the fair, or will they run the same program schedule on all three days? I want to come "hoop and holler" and don't want to show up on a day when the Fjords are not performing! Sounds like we just might end up with a really large Fjord Cheering Section. It'll be great to see (and hear) everyone there!! >> Hi Amy, I assume the Fjords will be participating in the Breed Demo all 3 days. Yesterday I asked the organizers if they had formulated an agenda yet and was told it would be done around the first of March. Will let everyone know scheduling as soon as I get the info. THANX!! Look forward to seeing everyone there! Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2000 #54
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/15/00 11:04:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Not only is this visit a good opportunity to have horses evaluated; it is potentially a very positive learning experience for both participants and spectators. Fjordings West, the West coast group that puts on the Turlock show has had to tentatively cancel its scheduled NFHR evaluation due to the lack of evaluators. >> Margaret, Not completely factual. There have always been 2 evaluators available. I did an Evaluation 2 years ago in Eugene using those evaluators. I will admit that we (EC) had been remiss in formulating and initiating an evaluator training program. I am willing to take whatever blame for that that comes my way, not willing to take ALL of the heat, however. When I worked on the EC and was Chair for a while, we all kind of scratched our heads, knowing that we needed to do SOMETHING, but never having 'been there, done that,' didn't know where to start?? The only reason there haven't been more evaluations in the areas you mentioned is that no one has taken the initiative to do the WORK. The EC is now on it's way with the newly formulated evaluator training program. We are once again moving forward!! Gayle Ware Field of Dreams Eugene, OR
Re: Comments about Dutch Keuring
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:58 PM 2/15/00 -0600, you wrote: I would like to know if an evaluation score shows up with NFHR? and if it does will the keuring??? thanks Randi in Wis. The NFHR individual Evaluation scores do not show up on a pedigree. If a horse is granted a "Medallion of Quality" then the level of the Medallion earned is on the NFHR Registration certificate for the horse that earned it and it will also show up after its name on the offsprings pedigrees. Foreign premiums that were earned up to the time the NFHR Evaluation program started are also shown on NFHR pedigrees. Foreign premiums that are already awarded to imported horses are shown as well. The premiums earned at the keuring in Vermont in the fall are going to be discussed on the next BOD meeting. I believe what the proposal is going to be though is that the premiums be recorded in the NFHR database if they are recorded in the countries books that is giving them out. Then they would show up on the NFHR pedigrees. This last part is not yet approved however. Mike
Re[2]: Do you Remember?
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:53 PM 2/15/00 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is the '57 Golden Hawk: http://stude.com/Golden%20Hawk.jpg And here is the '53 Starlight Coupe: http://stude.com/ck.jpg My first car was a '54 Studebaker Champion like this one except red and black: http://www.studebakerclubs.com/ontario/mvc/roge-h.htm Now they are some fine looking cars! Mike
Re: Stallion control?
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pamela wrote: >>To set the record straight, here's what the book says " Horse breeding is mostly government subsidized. Stallions are owned by the government Studs. Distances are short, and mare owners can take their mares to the government stallions for a nominal fee. Therefore, why wouldn't they choose to breed to the best?">> We USED TO have such a system in Sweden. There is a historical background: more and more horses were needed for the army during the 19th Century and the people who was sent out to by horses from the breeders had a hard time finding suitable animals. Generally, they wanted warmblooded riding-horses that were still able to carry pretty much weight, but these animals were extremly hard to find. Most TB-stallions were owned by the nobility who did NOT want to let their horses cover the farmers mares, and didn't breed enough horses themselves for the need of the army. In order to provide the farmers with suitable stallions, the government bought stallions (most of them came from abroad), which the farmers could use on their mares. The army then bought the foals (if they were found to be of suitable type and size) as 3-year-olds and they were broken in and put into army work. The army payed the breeders well, which encouraged them to breed more horses of this type rather than the cob-like horses that had been bred before. As time went on, the government started horse-evaluations where mares and stallions were shown. If the horses were found to be of suitable type, they were registred in the stud book and the owner often got an amount of money as a prize, which of course encouraged people to evaluate their horses. After some time, only evaluated horses that were found to be good enough were allowed to be used for breeding, with the exception of the stallion owner's own mares. There was a law against the use of non-approved stallions. This system was originally designed for the army horses (today known as the Swedish Warmblood), but when a new breed was introduced the same system (evaluation & approval for breeding stallion) was used (but the government didn't Shetland ponies). People was used to having their horses evaluated and to use approved stallions. We still have a law against non-evaluated stallions. Note the diffrence between non-approved and non-evaluated - as long as your horse is evaluated it's ok (in the means of the law) to use him - no matter the result of the evaluation. Today, the government no longer has anything to do with the evaluation of horses, it's run by the breeding-organisations and the Swedish horse breeding society. Even though, it's not illegal to use an non-approved stallion as it used to be, there's no use, because the offspring won't be let into the stud book. If I have a stallion I can use him on my own mares without doing anything illegal. I can have him evaluated and let anybody use him. BUT if I want to breed horses that can be registred he must be approved, which means he has to pass the evaluation with 40 out of 50 point + do a working test (dressage & pulling for fjords). Regards Anneli ** Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology & Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
Re: fjord jewelry
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/15/00 10:00:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << i could'nt find the jewelry site. any ideas? what is the name of the company/site? denise >> The one I posted is Bear Creek Fjord Gifts, at http://www.cybernet1.com/bcfjordgifts/";>Quality Handcrafted Norwegian Fjord Pendants, Necklaces & Money Clips Offered E Brigid
Still more new pictures...
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> But wait, there's more Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord
