Fw: Re: Psyllium/Wheat Bran--Sand
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A short time ago, there was some discussion on the list on the use of psyllium for preventing/treating sand in horses. The following is a message that appeared on a equine veterinary e-mail list that I am on. I thought you people might find it interesting. Steve White Waterloo, Nebraska The following is from an abstract presented at last year's Equine Nutrition & Physiology Symposium. The authors are from the University of Florida. "Experiment 3 determined the sand excretion amount and pattern for four sand removal treatments: A- 1.5% BW hay [i.e. feeding grass hay at a rate of 1.5% of body weight per day] B- 2.5% BW hay C- 0.5 g/kg BW psyllium as a single dose in the grain ration [equivalent to 8 oz for a 1000-lb horse] D- 0.25 g/kg BW psyllium in each 2x/day feeding for 6 days After an initial 10 days on the assigned hay levels (base hay intake was 1.5% BW) and sand clean out period, each horse was dosed via nasogastric tube with 300 g sand and then started on any psyllium treatment. Sand excretion was determined on each 24-hour total fecal collection for 6 days. Sand output peaked on day 2 for all treatments. While the 2.5% hay treatment uniformly produced the largest sand output in all four horses over the first 2 days, there were no overall treatment differences for the 6-day accumulated sand output. Mean sand output for treatments A, B, C, and D were 146 g, 285 g, 177 g, and 134 g, respectively. There were large horse and period differences. Since a previous experiment had found no differences in the use of mineral oil-water via nasogastric tube or fed wheat bran treatments, and horse variation was large in both experiments, it is difficult to recommend a solid treatment for the removal of GI tract sand. There does not appear to be any advantage to feeding or treating with psyllium, bran, or oil over basic 1.5% BW hay intakes, and it appears that hay may be primarily responsible for movement of sand through the gut and that the larger the hay intake (2.5% vs. 1.5%) the quicker the sand moves through." S. Lieb and J. Weise. A group of experiments on the management of sand intake and removal in equine. Proceedings of the 16th ENPS, 1999; p. 257.
Re: Green vs. Green, booking fees
This message is from: Don & Jane Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >If you have an overwhelming desire the 'do it yourself,' I would highly >recommend finding a professional trainer that is willing to take you by the >hand and guide you as you go. I bought a green mare a year ago and as a green person should probably have waited for something with a little more training. She had been trained to ride but I am learning not with much consistancy or knowledge on the trainers part. This became very apparent when we bought a great gelding from Julie Will. Thank you Julie and Tammy. He knew/understood s much more than Osa. I had owned a horse as a child and than was horse less for 25 years. BUT...knowing your limitations does help. I haven't found a trainer that will come to us (lucky Jean Ernest, Lisa sounds perfect) but both my husband and I have been taking lessons at a near by stable and asking a million questions. Our instructor is very patient in answering and showing us all that we can absorb for an hour each week, and then we come home and practice. Books are great too, now that we have some clue as to what they are saying but they don't make sense unless you already have enough knowledge to understand them! Happy Fjording all, Jane, where we are shortly to begin lambing season.expecting 70 adorable lambs who all grow up too fast.
Re: I Got One!!!!!!!
This message is from: "Carl & Sarah Nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Sarah, How exciting your Gwendellin sounds absolutely perfect!I'll bet you guys are having the best time getting acquainted and I know she's found a wonderful new home with your and your husband. There is nothing like your first Fjord!!! Warning tho SOMEHOW people seem to end up owning more than one very quickly!!! They seem to be quite addicting! LOL Anyway, wishing you the very best!! God bless you guys! Sarah Nagel in Northern Idaho
Re: I Got One!!!!!!!
This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations, Sarah! I know you have always admired the white duns! Julie
for sale
This message is from: "McInvailles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have two registered fjords for sale to loving homes. Johanna (9/2/90) and EG Kaia (5/8/99). King Harald(101-A) Hjalmar (103-A) Bente Johanna(NLS-D-1284-M) Gjestarson (102-A) Vince (2146-A) Helge (2027-A) Johanna has been ridden, but I have not driven her. She did a great job as "mom" to Kaia. $6000. (I hope I typed the pedigree ok) Kaia is a loving filly who is handled daily. Sanjar (N-2009 N-Z-159-S 3 pr) Edvard Grieg (KTF-J-816-S) Veslemoy (N-Y-217-M) Edvard Grieg's Kaia Hjalmar(103-A) Johanna(NLS-D-1284-M) Vince(2146-A) Both are registered and greatly loved. I will keep Edvard Grieg to drive and ride as I have been doing, but I can't properly do all three, my full-time job and the vegetable farm as well. Thanks. Krissy
I Got One!!!!!!!
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I would like to thank everyone on the list who helped me in one way or another in finding my first Fjord. We have her at our farm now; she just arrived yesterday! She is a lovely 3 year old white dun filly by Modellen, out of a white dun mare named Lin. Her name is FC Gwendellin and I bought her from Debbie and Peter Coggiola in Silver Springs, NY. It was a long trip from New York to Virginia, but she was well taken care of on her journey and she is settling in well. What a beauty she is! My husband and I are thrilled! Thank you again to all. I will keep you posted on our progress, and I'll be sure to ask loads of questions to all you Fjord veterans out there! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
12 Ft Stock Trailer For Sale
This message is from: "Dave Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12 Ft Stock Trailer For Sale. 6' wide, 6'6'' tall, bumper pull. In excellent condition. Has electric brakes, side door, divider, recently painted, good tires. Asking $1850 OBO. East Central Wisconsin. 30 miles south of Green Bay. E-mail me privately if interested [EMAIL PROTECTED] Patti
Re: Fjords and Dressage
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Congratulations to Elaine Olsen and BDF IDAR on their first wins of the 2000 season. Elaine has just moved Idar up from Training Level, and the pair has proven they can do it at First Level as well. Elaine did one class at Training Level as a warmup, and they won that one. Then, she did her first First Level class, and won that as well. The judge had lots of very nice compliments, including something like - "You certainly get a lot out of that little horse." -- Elaine commented to me that what the judge doesn't know is that Idar gives so much on his own. When Elaine emailed me about this latest win, I reminded her that she and Idar had placed first or second (mostly first) every time out, except the California Championships where they placed 6th, I believe it was. --- Elaine said, "I do believe you're right. I'm always amazed when I go to the competitions and see these gorgeous Warmbloods warming up. I always say to myself, Oh my God, I don't stand a chance." --- So much for dressage judges having breed prejudice. Naturally, as the breeder of BDF Idar, we are very proud of him, but knowing he doesn't do it alone, we're also very grateful to his talented and hardworking owner. Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: Introduction and filly for sale
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Welcome Jennifer and hope you take an active part in the discussions. Always interested in every side of a situation and everyone's own experience. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Selling young horses to inexperienced people
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - > >This message is from: Nancy Hotovy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Carole - > >I really agree with your post on the older horses. Steady, well trained >Fjords are definitely in high demand but I never, never, never recommend >someone buy a young, untrained colt unless they have had previous horse >experience. Hi Nancy, I guess we agree with each other, which is nice. When I recommend that a buyer might do better with a youngster (weanling/yearling) than an older horse, I'm not talking about someone who is totally inexperienced with horses. That kind of person won't do well with any horse no matter how well trained and old the horse is. -- That is, she won't do well UNLESS she boards the horse at a good stable, and is under supervision while she learns about horses, and how to ride and/or drive. IMPORTANT POINT! --- I wouldn't sell our quietest, best trained horse to a totally inexperienced home, not for fear that the buyer might get in trouble (which she well might), but more out of concern for our horse. There are too many things that can go wrong with horses, and totally inexperienced people can't read the signs. A person like that needs to board at a good stable. What I'm talking about are the many experienced horse people who think they can't bring on a youngster because they've never dont it before. I get calls from people who've owned horses for years, and ridden for years, who are shocked at the idea they might train a youngster. They say, "But, I've never done that before!" Perhaps true for other breeds. I can't speak to that, but I am sure that a person who knows horses, and can care for them, can start with a weanling Fjord and bring him on to be a very pleasant, useful horse. This kind of person can be successful even if they've never done it before, and even if they can't ride or drive.-- At the very least, this owner can do all the preliminary work leading up to saddle and harness work, at which point, they "may" choose to have a professional start the horse. And, if they do this work concientiously, they and the professional trainer will be amazed how wonderfully that young horse will train. Over the years, I've found that everything to do with horses requires a VALUE JUDGEMENT. Should the horses stay out tonight? Will it just snow, or will it be freezing rain?--- The horse is scheduled for a trim, but does he need it? Could this horse use a little oil in his feed? Should this horse have the richer hay, or the other kind? Is this horse too thin, too fat, or just right? Is the horse being willful, or didn't he understand? Etc., etc., etc. And the same is true when a breeder/seller advises a customer. The seller must put some thought into the individual situation. Ask questions about the buyer's experience. Where will he keep the horse? What kind of fencing does he have? Does he enjoy working with animals, or does he just want to ride and drive? And remember, I qualified my advice by saying that the young horse had to have BRAVERY & WILLINGNESS. These two character traits are essential to the project. The opposite to these good characterisitcs are TIMID & WILLFUL. If the youngster is timid and willful, rather than brave and willing, the training will take much more time and much more patience, and could require a professional. Not only that, those characteristics will be with the horse his whole life, NO MATTER WHO TRAINS HIM. --- That's been our experience, anyway. A few years ago, we discovered that the time period between weaning the foal and his first birthday is a GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY FOR TRAINING not to be wasted. The more you can handle your colt during this period. The more you can teach him, the bigger headstart you'll have when "real" training" begins in the Spring. By "real", I mean grounddriving in harness. If, during your Golden Opportunity, you've taught the youngster obedience and submission, everything else goes smoothly, and almost anybody will be able to handle that yearling. On the other hand, if you've let him run wild during this very formative period, you'll have a 700 lb monster to deal with in the Spring. The first step in ending up with a nice horse is training him young. And, if you've done it yourself, then you know it's been done. So, I stand by my advice. A person with a certain amount of horse experience can be succesful starting with a Fjord weanling. Their successes and results will prove very satisfying, and in the end, I believe they'll end up with a much better horse than buying a horse with an unknown history. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: Green vs. Green, booking fees
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >If you have an overwhelming desire the 'do it yourself,' I would highly >recommend finding a professional trainer that is willing to take you by the >hand and guide you as you go. I raised my now 13 year old gelding from a newborn, and "started" him under saddle, using a lot of books, etc. When I rode him about the 2nd time in the corral with the other horses (I didn't have an arena), everybody got to racing around and he followed, kicking up his heels. When he abruptly turned a corner I departed the saddle and landed with my face in a manure pile under the fence, narrowly missing the post! No helmet, even! Well, that woke me up (and I ordered a helmet) and I decided I did not have the riding skills and experience to start this horse right and contacted a very good instructor/trainer here in town who then took over and trained him properly then gave me lessonson him. She was able to come to my place. I have been taking lessons on and off now for about 7-8 years and last year she helped me start Adel under saddle, teaching ME how to successfully start her, but riding her for the first few times as her riding skills are much more advanced and she is able to cope with the various antics of youngters. I have started to work with Adel again this year now that the weather has gotten nice, but I think I will have Lisa come and ride her for the first couple of times just to be cautious! Bjorken, my gelding that I raised, has turned out to be a very nice ride, and he and I have a very special bond that comes from me being there from the day he was born I think. He doesn't hesitate to leave the others and go off with me as he considers me part of his "herd". Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, party cloudy today (lots of sun) and +30. Gotta go look at those ice carvings! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Introduction and filly for sale
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Jenifer, Welcome to the list! Hope you have lots of fun with your new Fjord, they are great! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
Re: Green vs. Green, booking fees
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/12/00 8:46:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I am responding to the topic of training young horses on your own, or for the first time, and I would like to add that there is a big difference between riding and training. Sometimes a good rider will attempt to train a horse and it can be a disaster because the methods of safe breaking is not something that everyone just knows. It also takes a higher degree of athleticism on the rider's part for the inevitable, bolting, bucking, shying etc.that kind of comes with the turf with youngsters as they get out in the world. If you want to try it on your own, I think it works best with professional supervision. It is rewarding to have a well trained horse with a "clean slate," and it can be worth the effort if you do it right. >> Hello, Just wanted to put in my 2 cents worth on the subject of green horses and green riders, since training horses is what I do for a living, have seen a lot of things happen in this regard. Green vs. green has always been one of my favorite pet peeves -- kinda like cold coffee and wet toilet paper! I have gotten more than my share of horses to 'fix' in my training barn who's owners went to a couple of clinics and read some books and then thought they had 'arrived'! Whilst books, videos, and clinics are valuable tools, they can never address all of the 'what if' scenarios that horses can dream up to throw at you. If you have an overwhelming desire the 'do it yourself,' I would highly recommend finding a professional trainer that is willing to take you by the hand and guide you as you go. Be willing to pay them for their time. It is well worth the investment for you since you WILL pay at some point in time. It is far CHEAPER (and probably much less painful) to pay in the beginning rather than the end! A stunning example of how this can be successful, is Tracy Apalatugui. She recently introduced herself on the Digest. Tracy came to my barn a couple of years ago to see the Fjords. She had had 6 horses in as many years, none of which had been the 'right' one and I might add that she was just recuperating from a broken wrist as a result of one of those 'mismatches'. I only had youngsters for sale at the time. Tracy was quite smitten with one of our babies out of Dusty. We talked in depth about her owning a youngster and all that that entailed. I told her that only she could answer the question as to whether this would satisfy her 'horsey' needs as she waited for him, Dustin's Ely, to grow up. Told her that if she had a burning desire to ride in the meantime, that she'd certainly be welcome to join us for riding lessons. Tracy decided to buy Ely and board him here. Tracy had 'lessons' with Ely each week as we brought him through all of his ground work. When he was old enough, I broke him to ride for Tracy. I am here to tell you that this is indeed a success story! It is with a great deal of pride that I watch those two 'grow' together. Tracy was the one coming into this relationship with 'baggage.' Understandably, Tracy had some 'fears' to overcome because of her past experiences with some not-so-nice horses and some not-so-good trainers. During this past year Tracy and Ely have tackled a trip to the ocean, trail rides, and Tracy has even mustered up enough courage to show Ely herself in a couple of shows -- successfully, I might add as she won her very first class. Another such success story is Debbie Brown and Quad L's Reidar. Debbie had been one of those little girls who had been infected with 'horse fever,' but had never been able to have a horse of her own. When she finally got 'grown up' and was able to fulfill her lifelong dream of owning her very own horse, she purchased Reidar. He was then an untrained 3 year old son of Dusty. I did the training on Reidar and Debbie has lessons twice a week. "Warm and fuzzy" is my description of watching those two mature together also. Debbie has put probably 200,000 miles on him so far and has successfully been showing him in Open shows in our area and also at Libby, where they incidentally, won their Halter class last year. Debbie has recently tackled riding bareback and is doing magnificently -- even starting figure eights with flying lead changes - BAREBACK! These are two examples of green Vs green success stories. It can work, but I highly recommend doing it 'right' by seeking professional help. By the way, Debbie and Reidar, Tracy and Ely will be participating with us at the EXPO during our Breed Demos in Albany at the end of March. Since breeding season is upon us, one other issue I'd like to briefly touch upon is 'booking fees'. I have recently had quite a few folks asking about this, especially newcomers who are unfamiliar with the procedures of breeding mares. Booking fees are part of the stud fe
Re: naming the filly...
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anneli, I am a fan of Fjords and ABBA as well - great idea for a name.:) Linda in Minnesota - beautiful morning - I miss Sven -- he is off to the trainers!!
Re: Introduction and filly for sale
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:37 PM 03/12/2000 -0700, you wrote: >This message is from: "Tom & Jenifer Morrissey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hello. > >I have been lurking on the list since November and am woefully behind on >reading digests. Too much fun to be outside with my ponies! > >I bought my first fjord horse last month (February.) OH Torrin . He's a gray dun, and his adolescent energy is a delightful >addition to our place. I intend to train him for my husband's use as ranch >transportation, as my husband is blind, and our terrain is very rough. .>I've returned to my childhood love of equines only recently and am enjoying >my time with the ponies. > WELCOME to the list Jenifer! Hope we hear from you often =)) Ruthie, NW MT >
Re: naming the filly...
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> James wrote: >>I have lots of others [names] to consider when our next foal arrives from our Gjest daughter Agneta. >> And here's another suggestion to consider for a filly whose mother's name's Agneta: ANNI-FRID. For those of you who is not a fan of the world-famous Swedish pop-group of the 70's ABBA, the singers names were Agnetha and Anni-Frid (aka Frida). Frida was born in Norway but moved to Sweden at a young age. Wouldn't it be fun to name Agneta's foal after Frida if it turns out to be a filly?:o) Regards Anneli (fan of Fjords and ABBA) ** Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology & Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
